The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #17 *ADULT CONTENT*

[oceanblueeyes]

Indeed. I wonder if they even need to prove abuse, or if all they need is one juror with reasonable doubt. Anyone know?

They need to prove what they claim or the jury will disbelieve them on everything they espouse. They are failing far worse than any DT I have seen.

The witnesses thus far have done nothing for JA and certainly not in the way of self defense or abuse. They have hurt her though.

Imo in the end the selected jurors will have no doubt whatsoever that stalker Jodi murdered Travis in cold blood by premeditating it for a week.

imo

 

[LotusPawprint]

The defendant's high school bff will be on Jane Valez Mitchell after the break.

I hope we hear about when and why she dropped out.

Lets see if its zebra shirt from court or not.

Only JVM would still say "bff"

 

[LostOldUserName]

And let's not forget that Lisa said that Jodi called her!

 

[human]

I completely agree with this. It really makes me sad that women especially would talk like this.

I wonder if the shaming and disparaging comments about God given physical features doesn't help to contribute the development of the kind of psychological problems that someone like Arias has.

I wish you would comment more often, FrayedKnot.

Thank you thank you thank you

I will post this link and I am not doing it for the religious part, but because Al Erickson has been working on the isdue of prostitution for years .

The attitudes towad women are those which keep child prostitution a dirty little secret in the US as well as the rest of the world.

I have been so upset reading the terms of Jodi being a , but TA can do the same behavior and it is not referenced as being slutty.

If anyone wants to read about the work being done abut human trafficking, here is the link.

There is information on the patriachal attitudes that foster this attitude.

http://www.humantraffickingmovie.com/help-stop-child-prostitution.html

 

[Linda7NJ]

Tornados terrify me! I think the Wizard of Oz scarred me for life. We don't have them here, had several warnings....recently. ...but with the crazy weather this year & last I've been pestering hubby for a root cellar, touting all the benefits....but really it's because Im afraid of tornados!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They just replayed the part of Lisa's testimony that Jodi would call all the time when she was with TA like she knew when they were together. So very, very creepy.

It wouldnt surprise me she watched them through windows too just like she did with a prior boyfriend.

Creepy is an understatement.

IMO

 

[Curious Me]

Lisa's testimony revealed to me that Travis did have respect for women, and he did have control over his sexual urges. Mimi also describes Travis as not being aggressive for just sex nor was he abusive. Two sane young ladies, and then there's Jodi and her actions leading up to her final actions that were not provoked by Travis, IMO.

I have heard so many great things about Travis, the Human Being. May his soul rest in peace. Prayers to the Family and Friends of Travis.

 

[minor4th]

They just replayed the part of Lisa's testimony that Jodi would call all the time when she was with TA like she knew when they were together. So very, very creepy.

Where are you getting the replay? I was just going to ask if there were any links to recordings of today's testimony. I missed a bunch of it.

 

[LyndyLoo]

But Travis' family really want her to receive the death penalty. Ultimately I feel it most just for the peripheral victims of a crime to decide the punishment in capital cases. JMO

My view on doesnt really matter..I personally dont believe in DP..LOL Im Canadian so its just not an issue...However..DP for Women who are pretty is one huge hurdle for Jury's to climb..After watching cases for almost 15 years..I've come to understand human nature...So in that vane..I'd be fine she never got a sniff of a chance of doing this again...

Its quite possible she would go on to do it again down the road..AS a juror..I would believe Jodi was quite capable given her actions prior to butchering!!
Baby voice, perpetual liar bodes chances she could do the same thing down the road..given her learned agenda's..

Im sure the family could accept Life W/O Parole..as they would know she could never do this again..DP is a roller coaster for victim's family and friends..

I appreciate your opinion tho :seeya:

 

[Linda7NJ]

I watched the portion I missed today, when the graphic autopsy photo was suddenly displayed by J.M. I understand what he was attempting to do (i.e. shock value and eliciting a strong reaction), but he really should give the family a heads-up when he knows he's going to pull such a thing. I'm fairly certain he knew at least 5 min before he did it, if not longer, so he should have a note ready or at least someone assigned to let the family know in advance so they can arrange to be out of the courtroom or else someone can give them a signal so they can shield their eyes before seeing anything. The family has been caught off-guard a few times. I'd be really angry if I were them, that I wasn't warned ahead of time. I also don't believe any lay witness should be forced to see an autopsy photo and testify/comment on it. It's not appropriate for anyone outside the M.E. to be asked to testify about an autopsy or photo.

As for Jodi's whole demeanor, she didn't react at all the moment that photo was put on the overhead; she started reacting and "crying" into her hair curtain when she heard the sobbing of TA's sisters. She kept the "crying" going for at least 20 min, probably trying to stay in sync with the crying going on in the gallery.

TA's sister, Tanisha, did not leave the courtroom. I watched the whole thing and she stayed in her seat, but doubled-over, with her husband rubbing her shoulders. The other sister did leave the courtroom and possibly 1 or 2 other family members, along with their victim's advocate.

I felt horrible for his family. I feel it was necessary, was a brilliant way to remind the jurors why they are there...let them see the pain and how his family and loved ones feel. I'm sure his family will be thrilled when that Guilty verdict is read, after all...that's why they're there.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Tornados terrify me! I think the Wizard of Oz scarred me for life. We don't have them here, had several warnings....recently. ...but with the crazy weather this year & last I've been pestering hubby for a root cellar, touting all the benefits....but really it's because Im afraid of tornados!

I am terrified of bad weather and we have tornadoes every year but it is extremely rare to have them now and to be this bad.

We dont have basements here. No where to hide except in the middle hallway of our homes or bathrooms.

 

[polleypockets]

So far, I feel the defense has done an alright job of opening the door to the possibility of self-defense. We'll have to see if they have the goods to walk all the way through it. However, a good amount of doubt about TA's character was effectively cast today.

-- Ex-girlfriend Lisa's email was damaging. No matter how the prosecution tries, that bell cannot be "unrung." She read TA the riot act -- and she admittedly didn't even know the half.

-- Desiree's testimony was a problem for the prosecution. TA pulled his car too close to the Grand Canyon for Jodi to get out and take pics? Then he pulled off a bit, as if he'd strand her there? My guy would NEVER play like that. That's MEAN, particularly on the heals of a loud argument.

-- Desiree claimed she couldn't remember TA's exact words once he let JA back in the car. She claimed it was just his tone that was "over the top." I'll bet she remembers the essence of what he said, and I suspect it was a continuation of the mean "drop dead off the edge / get lost" theme.

-- And then comes testimony by Desiree's brother. He had to go upstairs and "diffuse" an obviously loud and embarrassing argument between JA & TA.

Again, the above does NOT a self-defense case make. But depending on what else they have, all of this could be viewed as a down payment.

These testimonies are the "River Cruz" that can cast doubt...

idk - imo i don't think it helped her at all - it seems to me if TA was abusive wouldn't he had gone off at lisa because of her email??? to me it just made them seem like a bickering couple - and he is just a typical 20 something guy - ino

 

[jevipo74]

Where are you getting the replay? I was just going to ask if there were any links to recordings of today's testimony. I missed a bunch of it.

JVM on HLN. She also just talked to one of Jodi's friends that really didn't offer any new information.

 

[TigerBalm]

IMO, this is the only portion of today that is worth watching .. or re-watching.

Juan's cross of Lisa:
http://youtu.be/a-cry0NyAyQ?t=25m1s

Where are you getting the replay? I was just going to ask if there were any links to recordings of today's testimony. I missed a bunch of it.

Here..

 

[kscornfed]

So far, I feel the defense has done an alright job of opening the door to the possibility of self-defense. We'll have to see if they have the goods to walk all the way through it. However, a good amount of doubt about TA's character was effectively cast today.

-- Ex-girlfriend Lisa's email was damaging. No matter how the prosecution tries, that bell cannot be "unrung." She read TA the riot act -- and she admittedly didn't even know the half.

-- Desiree's testimony was a problem for the prosecution. TA pulled his car too close to the Grand Canyon for Jodi to get out and take pics? Then he pulled off a bit, as if he'd strand her there? My guy would NEVER play like that. That's MEAN, particularly on the heals of a loud argument.

-- Desiree claimed she couldn't remember TA's exact words once he let JA back in the car. She claimed it was just his tone that was "over the top." I'll bet she remembers the essence of what he said, and I suspect it was a continuation of the mean "drop dead off the edge / get lost" theme.

-- And then comes testimony by Desiree's brother. He had to go upstairs and "diffuse" an obviously loud and embarrassing argument between JA & TA.

Again, the above does NOT a self-defense case make. But depending on what else they have, all of this could be viewed as a down payment.

These testimonies are the "River Cruz" that can cast doubt...

couples argue. is that violence? people in relationships get angry with each other. anger's a very normal human emotion. people get angry, argue and then get over it. doesn't equate to violence in my book.

i don't get it. i guess i was in many 'violent' relationships and didn't know it. in fact, ALL of them were!

 

[Hatfield]

:seeya: Travis had boundaries, as well as compartments. We all do. Jodi resented it, for sure, as seen in her actions. So far, I'd say the jurors got her number now.
Loved the jurors questions today!

Re BBM

This is the first time I get the sense that the jury is on top of this now. Just like you say, they have her number. The questions they asked confirmed for them that Travis is just a normal guy that didnt force himself or threaten the blonde girl. Contrast that with what they have heard about Jodi, they are probably as shocked as we are that so far, Travis is just a normal guy that had the unfortune of meeting the devil in disguise.

Me thinks they are watching Jodi's reactions in court and have noticed she is dressing like the lawyer, pretending at times with fake tears and fake emotions, saw her smirks at times, and I think they even see the guilt in her eyes with the total lack of empathy.

She cannot have empathy. It just isnt in her. These type of people scare the heck out of me because it is not normal.

 

[Madeleine74]

IMO there is no self-defense maneuver that requires the ear-to-ear slashing of someone's throat. Unless there's some kind of excuse floating that Jodi was trying to "put Travis out of his pain"....<cough, bs>. That one neck slash obliterates everything else. Well that and the 9 stab wounds to his back, back of head. The only defensive action was Travis trying to ward off the knife stabs. The defensive wounds to his hands tell that tale.

Any jury during deliberations must ask themselves, "could the defendant have gotten away if she was being attacked or feared she would be or feared for her life?" Premeditation is formed in a matter of seconds. She could have stabbed him a few times to "save herself" and run away. He would have lived, and she would have "escaped with her life." See the difference? A quick gunshot that kills someone can be argued as self-defense and have a chance.

27 stab wounds, including a stab to the heart, an almost-beheading, and a gunshot to the head, followed by dragging the victim to put his body in the shower, followed by some period of time of cleanup/evidence removal does not = self-defense actions no matter how someone tries to spin it.

 

[BritsKate]

My view on doesnt really matter..I personally dont believe in DP..LOL Im Canadian so its just not an issue...However..DP for Women who are pretty is one huge hurdle for Jury's to climb..After watching cases for almost 15 years..I've come to understand human nature...So in that vane..I'd be fine she never got a sniff of a chance of doing this again...

Its quite possible she would go on to do it again down the road..AS a juror..I would believe Jodi was quite capable given her actions prior to butchering!!
Baby voice, perpetual liar bodes chances she could do the same thing down the road..given her learned agenda's..

Im sure the family could accept Life W/O Parole..as they would know she could never do this again..DP is a roller coaster for victim's family and friends..

I appreciate your opinion tho :seeya:

It isn't my opinion - it's theirs. The family has been extremely, overwhelmingly vocal about wanting her to receive the DP. It's all over social media and in a few different interviews.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

My view on doesnt really matter..I personally dont believe in DP..LOL Im Canadian so its just not an issue...However..DP for Women who are pretty is one huge hurdle for Jury's to climb..After watching cases for almost 15 years..I've come to understand human nature...So in that vane..I'd be fine she never got a sniff of a chance of doing this again...

Its quite possible she would go on to do it again down the road..AS a juror..I would believe Jodi was quite capable given her actions prior to butchering!!
Baby voice, perpetual liar bodes chances she could do the same thing down the road..given her learned agenda's..

Im sure the family could accept Life W/O Parole..as they would know she could never do this again..DP is a roller coaster for victim's family and friends..

I appreciate your opinion tho :seeya:

They would have to accept it but Travis' family wants her to receive the death penalty. This is sure a DP case if there ever was one. It shouldnt make any difference if she is a male or female but sadly in our country we have such biases against males and do not treat females the same if they commit same like crimes.

That is one thing that needs to change and more punishment equality given based on the heinousness of the crime and not the gender of the defendant.

I will think that true justice was done if they give her death which she so richly deserves.

IMO

 

[callyn]

Thank you thank you thank you

I will post this link and I am not doing it for the religious part, but because Al Erickson has been working on the isdue of prostitution for years .

The attitudes towad women are those which keep child prostitution a dirty little secret in the US as well as the rest of the world.

I have been so upset reading the terms of Jodi being a , but TA can do the same behavior and it is not referenced as being slutty.

If anyone wants to read about the work being done abut human trafficking, here is the link.

There is information on the patriachal attitudes that foster this attitude.

http://www.humantraffickingmovie.com/help-stop-child-prostitution.html

Jodi just happens to be the killer. Travis is the victim. I would never, never, ever talk about another woman the way I do about Jodi and I would hope people on this forum would realize that. There IS a difference. JMO