The Texts Messages: Warning! Graphic SEXUALLY EXPLICIT

[stmarysmead]

Oh you're so right there. It makes for a fascinating legal battle.

I just wish it wasn't over Kyron...or any child...ever.

Agreed. Absolutely.

 

[Emma Peel]

That doesn't account for why, after the affidavit comes out, Terri and her lawyers decide to stop fighting for visitation with K. I agree that Houze is competent from all we know of him. Which begs the question of why he felt that it was better to have the public perception be that Terri cares more about herself and her freedom than she does seeing her daughter? Future strategy aside, if Houze and Bunch are thinking *public perception* with letting the texts hang out there, what do they believe public perception is of a mother who would rather have no contact with her daughter than to fight allegations (not illegal) that aren't true? (i.e. that while she was sexting, she wasn't concerned for K or Kyron, when Kaine himself says that there are at least some texts that prove that she mentioned missing Kyron and K.)

I believe that both Tiger and Spitzer both had access to their children at the time of their sexual acts...

JMO

I don't think any of Tiger or Spitzer's kids went missing prior to their adulterous nonsense either, nor were there restraining orders filed against them. Spitzer's kids are 18 & 13. Tiger wasn't the primary caregiver in his family... apples & oranges ? I used the Tiger & Spitzer example of famous folk's reputations recovering post-lurid details of their seemingly inappropriate extra-marital sex-lives.

Terri has given the visitation thing a go - doing as much as her attorneys felt was in her interest to do. By report of her own counsel, they will still try to work it out with Team Kaine out of the court. She's taking her counsel's advice. I think much of the public will have that perception, IMO.

 

[Chablis]

Then continuing to litter a civil court proceeding with criminal content and accusations will prove detrimental in being able to bring about a conviction.

Unlike revenge, justice isn't best served cold. It is best served appropriately.

And unfortunately, Terri was inappropriate with Kaines friend at a time that was severely inappropriate, and this type of person does not deserve to have possession of a child when she has such blatant disrespectful hatred toward her childs father, her husband, she cant set any hated aside when she knows hes asked her questions about that day and she does not answer, who the heck would put up with that and not kick her out of the home and expose her true character. She is the last person seen with a missing child, no courtesies should be extended to her. She took a picture of herself masturbating and sent them to Kaines childhood friend. How is that even appropriate? She dropped her case to see her child after all that came out, why does Kaine have to play nice with someone who cant answer simple questions about his missing child?

 

[Emma Peel]

yah, I have to agree that there's little chance Terri will be getting endorsements for Gatorade anytime soon in spite of her reputation for body-building prowess.

 

[Trt]

I don't think any of Tiger or Spitzer's kids went missing prior to their adulterous nonsense either, nor were there restraining orders filed against them. Spitzer's kids are 18 & 13. Tiger wasn't the primary caregiver in his family... apples & oranges ? I used the Tiger & Spitzer example of famous folk's reputations recovering post-lurid details of their seemingly inappropriate extra-marital sex-lives.
Terri has given the visitation thing a go - doing as much as her attorneys felt was in her interest to do. By report of her own counsel, they will still try to work it out with Team Kaine out of the court. She's taking her counsel's advice. I think much of the public will have that perception, IMO.

BBM...
But that is exactly the point I was making...apples and oranges. Sometimes it is just adult behavior (ill-advised and adulterous, but adult behavior nonetheless)...and sometimes it shows a more disturbed picture. Like in Terri's case, IMO. This isn't about Terri's public image being sullied(although her lawyers and supporters would like us to believe so), but about a woman, who had lost her son and her daughter within a month of each other, and is, instead of fighting for either, engaging in sexting and lying about her concern for her daughter so that she can sneak out of her house and go and see the man she's sexting with. Among other things.

Terri and her lawyers cannot work out an arrangement with Kaine outside of the court WITHOUT filing yet ANOTHER motion with the court for modification of the RO. The idea that they withdrew their motion SO that they could work out an arrangement out of court is disingenuous...Just like the notion that they were trying to work out an arrangement out of court all this time, thus the reason they didn't file for the motion before.

Terri has a restraining order against her so she can't just go to court with a pre-arranged agreement between her and Kaine(which I doubt that he'd ever agree to anyway...after all he does consider her to be a DANGER to his daugther) as would be standard with a standard divorce dissolution. She HAS to file a motion with the court for modification and even if Kaine were to agree to a parenting plan outside of the court, the judge has the final say on whether or not to accept the plan, deny the plan, or accept parts and make his own changes. Its not as simple as working out a plan out of court* as Terri's lawyers would have the public believe.

JMO

 

[pufnstuf]

I have a rhetorical question or two:

I wonder, have Terri & Kaine ever sexted with each other in the past?

With others?

:waitasec:

Quite possible. But neither of them had missing children at the time.

 

[Billylee]

Where did you get that the judge had already seen the texts? When Kaine mentioned the texts in his motion for contempt, he stated that a copy *could* be provided to the court if the court wished. Then the contempt motion was dropped. When he mentioned them in his motion to compel, he provided the snippet of texts that had to do with the 350K that Terri claimed to have paid Houze for his services. Then, 3 months later, when he wanted to show that contrary to Terri's motion, she wasn't really concerned with seeing her child(his opinion and burden to prove), he provided a block of texts that proved his assertions.

JMO

You are correct Rackner told the court the judge could see the unredacted copy. I was just assuming the judge would have asked for it. Kinda' hard to make a decision when things are out of context, but maybe he didn't.

Several of their text message exchanges June 30, obtained by Kaine's lawyer from law enforcement, were redacted in Exhibit A filed in court, but Kaine's lawyer alerts the court that she has the complete, unredacted copy that could be made available for the judge's examination.



http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kaine_hormans_lawyer_files_tex.html

 

[Trt]

You are correct Rackner told the court the judge could see the unredacted copy. I was just assuming the judge would have asked for it. Kinda' hard to make a decision when things are out of context, but maybe he didn't.

Several of their text message exchanges June 30, obtained by Kaine's lawyer from law enforcement, were redacted in Exhibit A filed in court, but Kaine's lawyer alerts the court that she has the complete, unredacted copy that could be made available for the judge's examination.



http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kaine_hormans_lawyer_files_tex.html

What was out of context? Kaine and his lawyer wanted to know where Terri got 350k that she claimed to MC it cost her to obtain Houze. Kaine and his lawyer provided the texts that pertained to that amount and that it was for her lawyer's services. The judge has yet to make a decision on whether or not Terri should be compelled to tell where she got the money from, but knowing what we now know, what else would he have needed to see in that block of texts that we saw that would help him make that decision?

JMO

 

[pufnstuf]

I have a question for those who see no issue with Terri's sexting while Kyron was missing.

In retrospect, how did you feel about Casey Anthony's behavior while Caylee was missing, before Casey was charged?

Like Terri, Casey was the last person to see the child.
Like Terri, Casey blamed the child's disappearance on a confluence of circumstances and another person.
Like Terri, Casey's behavior was much fodder for the media and people who watched the case.
Like Terri, Casey presented a story about her whereabouts on the day the child went missing that was not the whole truth.
Like Terri, Casey engaged in sexually suggestive behavior while her child was missing.

And many other similarities...

So, considering those similarities, why is Terri's behavior while Kyron was missing excused, while Casey's generally hasn't. Unless you're one who also excuses Casey's behavior...

Just something I've wondered about awhile. Why is one's behavior excused while the other's is vilified?

 

[Emma Peel]

Quite possible. But neither of them had missing children at the time.

hey pufnstuf! :wave:

okay everyone, please take this as me having my tongue-in-cheek, a wry smile and a little mischievous devil in my pocket:


So if my kid goes missing, and my husband dumps me like a hawt potato, no sex for me?

For how long, exactly?

What's the statute of limitations on comfort sex post-trauma?

 

[Emma Peel]

I have a question for those who see no issue with Terri's sexting while Kyron was missing.

In retrospect, how did you feel about Casey Anthony's behavior while Caylee was missing, before Casey was charged?

Like Terri, Casey was the last person to see the child.
Like Terri, Casey blamed the child's disappearance on a confluence of circumstances and another person.
Like Terri, Casey's behavior was much fodder for the media and people who watched the case.
Like Terri, Casey presented a story about her whereabouts on the day the child went missing that was not the whole truth.
Like Terri, Casey engaged in sexually suggestive behavior while her child was missing.

And many other similarities...

So, considering those similarities, why is Terri's behavior while Kyron was missing excused, while Casey's generally hasn't. Unless you're one who also excuses Casey's behavior...

Just something I've wondered about awhile. Why is one's behavior excused while the other's is vilified?

Ummm...I dunno.

Perhaps a Grand Jury Indictment and an abundance of Evidence?

oh wait, you said before Casey was charged?

lemme think on it another sec... sorry...

Okay, got it...

It was that hysterical history of lying and stealing that we knew about with Casey before the indictment. Including the employment lie thing, the forging checks and emptying her best friend's bank account whilst her friend was on vacation, etc... and all the witnessing of that lying and stealing we had from her "friends & family"... That did it for me. The girl was obviously quackers and already a criminal...and we had that evidence...

The other stuff, I'm not sure I saw as guilt. pole-dancing promiscuity does not equal guilt.

I see this stuff as ugly coping. I guess I don't think ugly coping is quite the same as a guilty verdict... I think it's ugly coping...

I hope that makes a bit of sense.

 

[Trt]

hey pufnstuf! :wave:

okay everyone, please take this as me having my tongue-in-cheek, a wry smile and a little mischievous devil in my pocket:


So if my kid goes missing, and my husband dumps me like a hawt potato, no sex for me?

For how long, exactly?

What's the statute of limitations on comfort sex post-trauma?

:angel: not touching that!!! Where is the "ten foot pole" smiley???

 

[debs]

But this thread isn't about all those things. It's about Terri sending pictures of herself with lurid graphic notions of sexual behavior. No child was nearby. She was an adult. She had been served divorce papers signaling to her that her husband no longer bound himself to her and has taken legal action to end their marriage.

What does an adult, making an adult decision to send text messages to another adult, regardless of how long they knew one another, have to do with her fitness to visit with her child?

Adults around the world send sext messages. These same adults have children. Many of these adults are in stressful situations in their lives. This doesn't make a person bad. It makes for tawdry discussion when it becomes public. But how does it make someone so unfit to see their children?

 

[pufnstuf]

hey pufnstuf! :wave:

okay everyone, please take this as me having my tongue-in-cheek, a wry smile and a little mischievous devil in my pocket:


So if my kid goes missing, and my husband dumps me like a hawt potato, no sex for me?

For how long, exactly?

What's the statute of limitations on comfort sex post-trauma?

OK... well, consulting my "Child Missing, Failed MFH of Dear Husband Appropriate Sex Guide for Dummies"...

My opinion? She started the sexting as soon as her husband moved out. And three weeks after Kyron had been missing.

Three weeks.

And her daughter had been taken, too.

Just me... and I usually despise anecdotes, but I think I'd be sickened with a sense of loss that I'd hardly be able to eat. Sex would be the furthest thing from my mind. I would be working my off to remedy the problems.

I'm not a prude... not by a long shot. But this isn't about sex as much as it is about the sheer audaciousness of her behavior at a time when most of us would be mourning so many losses.

To me, the only thing that explains her cheerful, risque texts is that she killed Kyron and was almost giddy about it--therefore the almost manic texts.

 

[pufnstuf]

Oh... and hi, Emma.. forgot to say hi back to you.

:blowkiss:

 

[Chablis]

But this thread isn't about all those things. It's about Terri sending pictures of herself with lurid graphic notions of sexual behavior. No child was nearby. She was an adult. She had been served divorce papers signaling to her that her husband no longer bound himself to her and has taken legal action to end their marriage.

What does an adult, making an adult decision to send text messages to another adult, regardless of how long they knew one another, have to do with her fitness to visit with her child?

Adults around the world send sext messages. These same adults have children. Many of these adults are in stressful situations in their lives. This doesn't make a person bad. It makes for tawdry discussion when it becomes public. But how does it make someone so unfit to see their children?

It makes her look disgusting, like shes more worried about getting some ever again, instead of Kyron being missing. She looks like a truly uncaring person and I wouldnt want someone like her around my child knowing all we know about her, sexts aside.

jmo

 

[Trt]

But this thread isn't about all those things. It's about Terri sending pictures of herself with lurid graphic notions of sexual behavior. No child was nearby. She was an adult. She had been served divorce papers signaling to her that her husband no longer bound himself to her and has taken legal action to end their marriage.

What does an adult, making an adult decision to send text messages to another adult, regardless of how long they knew one another, have to do with her fitness to visit with her child?

Adults around the world send sext messages. These same adults have children. Many of these adults are in stressful situations in their lives. This doesn't make a person bad. It makes for tawdry discussion when it becomes public. But how does it make someone so unfit to see their children?

Its not about the sexts either, if we are going to really get technical. We are trying to euphemize the occurence by completely ignoring the events surrounding them as well as the *other* information contained in them that have nothing to do with sex. Terri wanted an EXPEDITED hearing to try and get visitation with her daughter, stating that she feels that its in the baby's best interest to see her as soon as possible...Kaine calls BS on that assertion and provides information to show what Terri thought was more important than getting her daughter back just 2 days after she was *taken*. If Kaine had said, "I feel that these sexts show that Terri is unfit to see her child because she was engaging in adult behavior", we'd be able to just talk about the adult behavior in isolation. But that is not the assertion.

JMO

 

[nosysw]

OK... well, consulting my "Child Missing, Failed MFH of Dear Husband Appropriate Sex Guide for Dummies"...

My opinion? She started the sexting as soon as her husband moved out. And three weeks after Kyron had been missing.

Three weeks.

And her daughter had been taken, too.

Just me... and I usually despise anecdotes, but I think I'd be sickened with a sense of loss that I'd hardly be able to eat. Sex would be the furthest thing from my mind. I would be working my off to remedy the problems.

I'm not a prude... not by a long shot. But this isn't about sex as much as it is about the sheer audaciousness of her behavior at a time when most of us would be mourning so many losses.

To me, the only thing that explains her cheerful, risque texts is that she killed Kyron and was almost giddy about it--therefore the almost manic texts.

I don't think she is a sex dummy but I have the second edition and it clearly says 8 months, 3 weeks and 5 days for comfort sex...but only 4 months, 3 days for sexting...jk, of course (and ITA with the rest of your post).

 

[Trt]

It makes her look disgusting, like shes more worried about getting some ever again, instead of Kyron being missing. She looks like a truly uncaring person and I wouldnt want someone like her around my child knowing all we know about her, sexts aside.

jmo

We could take our pick of things contained within those sexts that are totally and completely not about sex, and point to a disturbed individual. This is a woman who had just lost two of her children within a month and she texts to someone else that them having their child for the night is *too bad* because of the things she wanted to do to him. Really? If I'd just lost two of my children, I'd tell my new *lover* to CHERISH that time, don't worry about me (I've got fingers after all) and we can *talk* later. That is just the tip of the iceberg of what is contained in these texts that point to Terri's disturbed behavior, IMO.

 

[debs]

It makes her look disgusting, like shes more worried about getting some ever again, instead of Kyron being missing. She looks like a truly uncaring person and I wouldnt want someone like her around my child knowing all we know about her, sexts aside.

jmo

Oh, thank you for reminding me! That part of those texts where she mentions feeling like she'll never get "some" again........we don't know what it was she was referring to. MC had stated something about bringing something to her. It seemed a natural response to that. And whatever it was didn't seem to have anything to do with the sexting which commenced. But that's just my interpretation, of course!