The truck, the science project and TH

[wondering1]

My impression, from what we know and the various news articles, is that Friday was the day for parents to attend the science fair. It would appear, and Kaine clarified it in the family press conference, that there was confusion over the two-day science fair. I think Kaine was purposely misinformed.

Although Kaine hasn't spoken about the state of his marriage, certainly the MFH is evident that Terri was unhappy. There might have been a lot of stress factors in that marriage that we just don't know about. I think Kaine might have been preoccupied with his work and just didn't see that train come barreling down the track at hjm.

iirc, kaine did say they had discussed separation (and divorce, too, I think) but he thought they had worked it through in a positive manner. Not inconsistent with what you are suggesting at all, imo. Just in case you you missed it. I think he only said it one time, so it was easy to miss.

eta: the quote and the link

Q: While you have said your marriage suffered after Kiara's birth and Terri's post-partum depression, was there any talk of separating or divorce before Kyron disappeared?


A: Yes there was but we worked through them in a positive manner (at least that was my impression.)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...rman+positive+manner&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Leila]

Dear Leila,

i'm behind on posts. Your pictures, thx, are intriguing. What is your interpretation? Pleeze excuse any spelling errors.

I'm behind on reading posts too, but I think the date is definitely June 3rd, but as Gwenabob pointed out, if the picture was taken early in the morning of June 4, before classes had begun for the day, it may simply be a case where the teacher hasn't changed the date to the day's date yet. So, it's a clue we can't have any reliance on.

 

[kappy50]

My impression, from what we know and the various news articles, is that Friday was the day for parents to attend the science fair. It would appear, and Kaine clarified it in the family press conference, that there was confusion over the two-day science fair. I think Kaine was purposely misinformed.

Although Kaine hasn't spoken about the state of his marriage, certainly the MFH is evident that Terri was unhappy. There might have been a lot of stress factors in that marriage that we just don't know about. I think Kaine might have been preoccupied with his work and just didn't see that train come barreling down the track at hjm.

I think the teacher just forgot to change the date. The marquee at the school says June 4th along w/ the Talent Show. ( Picture on the very last thread here # 14, Page 2, Post # 36)

 

[Leila]

I admit I haven't looked to see what her car or the truck were like. Did her car have a trunk? Did she always/almost always use the car for transporting baby K? If so, and if there's a trunk, it wouldn't be any more difficult than usual as far as I can see. Strap the baby in like always, get Kyron to get into the back seat on his own, throw the poster and diorama into the trunk, and forget about it. If there's no trunk or she didn't have the car seat set up in the car, I could see more difficulty.

Also, why not just plan on picking Kyron up from school that day and get the project then? That's what seems hinky to me. Why would you need to make a special arrangement to get the project back if it was a normal day with no doctor's appointment (and no disappearing children) planned? You could just forgo the bus and pick up kid and project easily unless there's some other pressing engagement keeping you away. :twocents:

All my children are adults, but I can't remember any school project that would require a large vehicle, like a truck, to transport to and from school.

Kyron's red-eyed tree frog project is pictured sitting on top of his school desk. I'm presuming that the desk is a standard sized school desk - not too big - probably 30 inches wide. It looks like the back is one piece, so lets say it's about 30 inches wide. The two sides look like they fold inward. So, for transporting, the whole project is probably about 30 inches wide by about 36 inches tall at the most. That's not going to require a lot of space and would probably fit in any car trunk.

According to all reports, Terri was at the school on Thursday when she brought the science project and again on Friday.

It's logical that at some point in time during those two days Terri would have spoken to the teacher and asked about picking the project up and made arrangements.

It's also logical that if Terri had to make a trip to the school to pick up the science project, that she would schedule it to coincide with the end of the school day and pick up Kyron too. I would have told the teacher "I'll pick up the science project Friday afternoon, so don't put Kyron on the bus as he'll go home with me."

It's very simple and no need for any confusion.

 

[Leila]

For the record, Kaine himself said she took the truck instead of the car because the project might have not fit in the car without getting crushed. He goes on to say it fit well behind the seat of the truck. (There's been so many interviews, I'm not sure which one it was)

Two things confuse me though. Why not just pick Kyron up WITH the project after school instead of making a special trip and having Kyron take the bus home. That makes very little sense to me. Also there was mention that Desiree was wanting to see the project. See it where? At the school? At TH's home? Or, was TH to pick up the project & Ky and take it to DY?

I am not clear on this issue either; was this or was it not the weekend that DY was to get Kyron? When that happens, it's my understanding that TH takes Kyron to Euguene (about an hour and a half drive and DY come up there from Medford, about a two hour and 15 min. drive.) When was that supposed to take place? After school? I ask this, because KH said they had discussed going to get ice cream that afternoon when school was out.

So I am confused about when DY was supposed to see this project and when she was supposed to have Ky. If it was his weekend to be with DY, then wouldn't TH have packed a bag or backpack for him?

My bold..............this is the most logical thing to do and so simple. There shouldn't have been any confusion over when to pick up the project.

Yes, it was DY's weekend with Kyron. But we don't know the time when the exchange was to have taken place. Perhaps it was geared to the Young's work schedule and the exchange later in the afternoon. Perhaps Kaine was taking him for ice cream after Kyron got off the school bus and before leaving for the weekend.

 

[Barry]

IMO, the whole truck thing may or may not have that much relevance. While to most of us, it may just look like another project, it may have been a huge deal to Kyron and he may really have had a big interest in it (for whatever reason).

Maybe they were feeding into that a little bit: "this project is pretty special, so maybe we should take it to school in Daddys truck" or something along those lines.

I doesn't speak to all the other confusion, but IMO, there are a number of reasons that the truck may have been used if a person has an understanding of the family dynamics.

 

[BringKyronHome]

For the record, Kaine himself said she took the truck instead of the car because the project might have not fit in the car without getting crushed. He goes on to say it fit well behind the seat of the truck. (There's been so many interviews, I'm not sure which one it was)

Two things confuse me though. Why not just pick Kyron up WITH the project after school instead of making a special trip and having Kyron take the bus home. That makes very little sense to me. Also there was mention that Desiree was wanting to see the project. See it where? At the school? At TH's home? Or, was TH to pick up the project & Ky and take it to DY?

I am not clear on this issue either; was this or was it not the weekend that DY was to get Kyron? When that happens, it's my understanding that TH takes Kyron to Euguene (about an hour and a half drive and DY come up there from Medford, about a two hour and 15 min. drive.) When was that supposed to take place? After school? I ask this, because KH said they had discussed going to get ice cream that afternoon when school was out.

So I am confused about when DY was supposed to see this project and when she was supposed to have Ky. If it was his weekend to be with DY, then wouldn't TH have packed a bag or backpack for him?

Because it's been said several times that Kyron loved riding the bus. Unless there was a compelling reason to pick him up, they likely wouldn't have.

I dont' think it's safe to assume that terri could have just gone up there and taken the project whenever either...one would have to consider whether the teachers had gotten the opportunity to record grades & such...who knows if she even heard back from the teacher that day, with all the activities & such, she may not have responded to Terri's e-mail at all.

It does seem as though she attempted to get that project so D could have seen it that weekend so she wouldn't need to wait...but it just didn't work out.

 

[wondering1]

about the truck v. car thing...I think it probably wasn't absolutely necessary to take the truck, but if TH did have a reason to *need* it related to Kyron, it was not completely implausible that they should switch. If she did plan to use the truck for something nefarious, I'm betting she thought that the truck swap seemed reasonable enough under the circumstances to not warrant any attention. And that would be the key as far as TH was concerned, imo. I think we almost all agree that she NEVER expected this kind of scrutiny, even if she is involved in Kyron's disappearance.

fwiw, I drive what most would consider a large 4-door sedan. It is so wide and long that I have trouble parking it sometimes, and just recently bashed into the wall when pulling into the garage :blushing: HOWEVER, I still have trouble fitting long or wide things into the backseat or trunk, even if they look like they should fit. It just depends on the exact dimensions of the item, and sometimes they just will not fit -- even if it's only by an inch or two. It makes a difference, too, that my back seats don't fold down.

To me, the project looks like one that I might have trouble getting into my trunk lengthe-wise, and I wouldn't want to put in the back seat at toddler foot level, especially if Kyron was also seated in the back. If it were me, I might have said something like *hey, honey, I don't want to struggle getting the project into the car and maybe wrecking it. Can I just use the truck tomorrow?* And if I were a liar and potential criminal, I probably would have said exactly the same thing. So, until we know whether she needed the truck for a nefarious purpose or not, it could be everything, or it could be nothing. I don't think it's telling in and of itself iykwim. jmoo

 

[cindysue]

Thanks wondering! thats what i was trying to get at but didnt make myself clear.

 

[goatman]

I don't know the size of a mustang's trunk, but I am going to go out on a limb here and say it isn't that big or at least as big as my midsize sedans We have a child roughly Baby Ks age. Our trunk contains our emergency road kit, stroller, and various things that I will be eventually be donating to the goodwill/dav.

You can't just strap your baby in the carseat and go, they need alot of stuff. At the minimum a diaper bag.

Assuming that Th had a stroller and other clutter in her trunk (probably not like the junk in my trunk though-cause I have some great junk-sorry couldn't resist) I could see how then she would only have the backseat and front passenger seat to haul people and stuff. Now, lets say that she is a responsible parent and Baby K is strapped into the middle of the backseat and Kyron is one one side of baby k. That leaves in front of Baby K or to Baby K's side to place a trifold and its various components. Babies are messy, I could see why TH and maybe even Kyron didn't want her sitting by the project. Hence a reasonable explanation for the truck...

 

[goatman]

wondering: I didn't see your post before I wrote mine...but I completely agree with you.

(if that wasn't made obvious in my post)

 

[nonfictionrocks]

I don't know the size of a mustang's trunk, but I am going to go out on a limb here and say it isn't that big or at least as big as my midsize sedans We have a child roughly Baby Ks age. Our trunk contains our emergency road kit, stroller, and various things that I will be eventually be donating to the goodwill/dav.

You can't just strap your baby in the carseat and go, they need alot of stuff. At the minimum a diaper bag.

Assuming that Th had a stroller and other clutter in her trunk (probably not like the junk in my trunk though-cause I have some great junk-sorry couldn't resist) I could see how then she would only have the backseat and front passenger seat to haul people and stuff. Now, lets say that she is a responsible parent and Baby K is strapped into the middle of the backseat and Kyron is one one side of baby k. That leaves in front of Baby K or to Baby K's side to place a trifold and its various components. Babies are messy, I could see why TH and maybe even Kyron didn't want her sitting by the project. Hence a reasonable explanation for the truck...

BBM

Nice catch goatman. I never considered a stroller in the trunk - makes perfect sense why TH might have wanted the truck that day.

I can't see what the big deal is about her having the truck versus the car that day. Even her husband has alluded this issue is moot.

My husband and I have a SUV and a pick up. Sometimes I prefer to take the truck just because it is full of gas and I don't want to spend the time or $70 filling up the SUV if I have things to do. If I had an infant in the car, stopping for gas on top of my other errands would be a pain in the neck and would be mean another reason to haul her out just to go in and pay. JMO

 

[SurfieTX]

BBM

Nice catch goatman. I never considered a stroller in the trunk - makes perfect sense why TH might have wanted the truck that day.

I can't see what the big deal is about her having the truck versus the car that day. Even her husband has alluded this issue is moot.

My husband and I have a SUV and a pick up. Sometimes I prefer to take the truck just because it is full of gas and I don't want to spend the time or $70 filling up the SUV if I have things to do. If I had an infant in the car, stopping for gas on top of my other errands would be a pain in the neck and would be mean another reason to haul her out just to go in and pay. JMO

But some states are different in terms of self-serve. I found a wiki link, but they are not generally acceptable for reliable info. Seems Oregon does not allow self-serve. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filling_station"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filling_station[/ame]

 

[nonfictionrocks]

But some states are different in terms of self-serve. I found a wiki link, but they are not generally acceptable for reliable info. Seems Oregon does not allow self-serve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filling_station

Thank you, I did not know this but I have a question. What if you want to pay using a debit card - do you have to go into the station to swipe your card?

ETA: I now realize that this is going OT but I still would like to know the answer. TIA

 

[gwenabob]

Thank you, I did not know this but I have a question. What if you want to pay using a debit card - do you have to go into the station to swipe your card?

Not generally. Some places with older pumps want you to go in and pay the cashier, but most places around here you just pay at the pump just like everywhere else. You just have to let an attendant do the pumping.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Either way seems perfectly normal to me. If he didn't ask, there was no reason he should have, as far as I'm concerned, because it was not a pressing issue at the time. But if he did ask it wouldn't seem odd to me either, just a part of the normal chitchat of the day. "Hi honey, how was your day, what happened at the science fair, did you bring the project home already or do we need to pick it up?"

Wouldn't that have wonderful, if he would have asked her that. Wonder what her response would have been. "I haven't gotten a response back from the teacher yet. Why don't we pick him up after school and get it then."

 

[TxLady2]

No offense, but NG hasn't really taken the time to get her facts very straight...the worst thing she keeps saying is that Terri walked Kyron to his classroom...No she didn't! She said she walked him down the hall, close, maybe 100 feet from his class room, watched him walked toward his class and waved to him...she then left...

to me it sounds as if she was either going in the opposite direction to exit, or she stopped at the exit to watch him walk toward his class...

anyway, back to point...the flyer I saw and the sign outside the school both state the fair was an event from 8-10. Assuming this flyer would be for the parents...as I'm sure it wasn't for the children, it should outline the time for parents to participate, right?

So I just don't get the tours starting at 8:45 and the event beign open to the public until 10.

I could see that a parent could accompany their child from 8:45-10, that makes sense too...but HOW in the world would a teacher know with all those extra people who they were to have with them and who was on the other side of the school with their parent?

Assuming they just take whoever is IN class at 8:45...then that means that there is room for kids to be roaming around unsupervised without a parent and not in a group, all while hundreds of unofficial adults roamed around the school without signing in.

I gotta believe they saw this problem and dealt with it...I can't imagine this occured...if it did they they are damn lucky that they have only lost one child for all the years they have been organizing the fair in this way...

So, I'm going to assume they saw this problem...I just want to know what their slution was.

It seems reasonable to require all children (perhaps along with their parent) to report to their class at 8:45.

So was Kyron there at that time or not...if not why in the world didn't an alarm go off at that time?

The only thing I can guess is that it was ok for student to tour with their parents...since shortly before that he was seen with Terri...no alarms went off...

So, where is the communication here?

How many kids walked away from their parent at 8:45, and wandered through crowded halls filled with strange faces toward their class to be organized into groups?

Or how many kids got off their bus wandered the fair along side strangers (aka some other kid's parent/guardian and who knows who else) until the bell rang or after?

Something is just not adding up here!

I agree with everything you said. None of it is adding up.
Our school usually had these kinds of things at night, so that both parents could attend. They were held in the cafeteria, room enough for everyone to walk around and look at everything, with their own child beside them. No confusion, no disruption of classes. Then when it was over, they took their projects and their kids home.
This event sounded like it was not well organized or well planned. Odd time of day to be holding a science fair, early in the morning, IMO.
And the kids could have been running over to their friends' groups, instead of staying with their own group, causing the chaperones extra trouble.
Also, was this science fair for all the grades, or just second grade? If it was for the whole school... I'm sure it was very hectic.

 

[kappy50]

This may have been asked and answered, If so, I do apologize....but where is the science project now ???

 

[Caligram]

I see that I was wrong expecting Kaine to ask where Kyron's project was, and now that I think more about it, I can understand why "nothing" was said to Terri. In fact, the whole project might have caused one more unspeakable "disagreement" between Kaine and Terri. Especially if she insisted on taking over the whole project instead of letting Kyron do things his way, as a seven-year old boy would. So, Terri didn't worry about what excuse she had to give, as she knew Kaine wasn't going to ask. She did what she set out to do, and she wasn't going to trip herself up with her lies. If Kaine and Terri were barely speaking then it gave Terri a whole lot of leeway to get away with murder. In fact, she may have set up some arguments prior to Friday, just to avoid providing some pesty details. Terri also knew that Kaine would try to protect her, at first, giving her time to worm her way out of the suspect role. Unlike Terri, Kaine didn't like being under the glare of the media stage.

 

[wondering1]

This may have been asked and answered, If so, I do apologize....but where is the science project now ???

*rumor* has it that the science project has been posting on OL as insintel

SORRY, SORRY, SORRY...I'm losing my mind :crazy: