The Use of the Shovel

[Woe.be.gone]

The ladder does straddle the pool. Although this is a shorter ladder than the one on the Anthony's pool, it's almost identical to the one on their pool.

The ladder in this picture is bigger, heftier than the A's. It looks to have four steps and then a solid platform type "seat" at the top.

The one at the A's pool looks to have three steps and is thinner with taller handles?

Thank you for the picture (both) as it shows more as to how the inside the pool side might look. I don't think it's the exact ladder though.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I went to the PoolsaboveGround site and see there are many styles of ladders available. The style the A's have is called the A-Frame style.

There is one called "Vinyl Works A-Frame" that sells for 199.99 and looks sturdier, larger than the A's ladder looks.

It says in the description, "To protect young swimmers, our ladders have been redesigned to protect them from becoming entangled behind the ladder."

We could conclude then that this has been a problem in the past with older, poorly designed ladders.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I wonder if Cindy and George questioned Casey after she got out of jail about the ladder and the shovel...maybe Casey told them she needed the shovel to get the ladder out of the pool, not knowing her mother had already said on Greta that the shovel was used to cut the "aggressive bamboo". Hence Cindy's correction to Casey about the bamboo when she said something about the ladder ? Casey's explanation about using the shovel to obtain the ladder makes no sense, but neither do any of her other stories.

 

[LambChop]

Could KC have needed the shovel to get the ladder into the pool? Since the A's were good about keeping that ladder out of the pool when not in use and GA said CA called and asked him if HE put the ladder into the pool and he said no. So someone put the ladder into the pool, maybe to make it look as if an accident had happened?????

 

[Kentjbkent]

I went to the PoolsaboveGround site and see there are many styles of ladders available. The style the A's have is called the A-Frame style.

There is one called "Vinyl Works A-Frame" that sells for 199.99 and looks sturdier, larger than the A's ladder looks.
It says in the description, "To protect young swimmers, our ladders have been redesigned to protect them from becoming entangled behind the ladder."

We could conclude then that this has been a problem in the past with older, poorly designed ladders.

This appears to be exactly like the ladder we had on our pool (til we built a deck around it).

It was a pretty tall A frame and we didn't have any trouble with it tipping towards to the pool (or away) when my teenagers climbed or hung from it, so I assumed it was different than the one on the Anthonys. Ours was also pretty heavy and I know I couldn't have submerged it into the pool if I tried.

 

[Intermezzo]

That's what I want to know too, "how'd the ladder get into the pool in the first place?"
There is no way that ladder just fell in the pool! Possibly pulled into the pool by a drowning 2 year old... but it did not fall into that pool!

BBM
Exactly, I agree.
The story is BS. IMO

 

[Intermezzo]

Again, I have to ask, "How did the ladder get in the pool?" We have an above ground pool and my dd has one exactly like the A's, the ladder does not just fall into the pool. It's an A frame ladder that sits over the edge of the pool with the base of one ladder going into the pool and the base of the other sitting on the ground outside of the pool. To get the ladder into the pool one would have to lift the ladder off the ground from outside the pool, lift it over ones head and push it over into the pool. Our ladder stands 6' and for me at 5'4" to get over the edge of the pool is a pain in the @ss (we remove it after every swim because we have little ones)
I just can't understand how the ladder got into the pool.

BBM

Perhaps the ladder was never in the pool and Casey lied (hmm imagine that)Casey forgot to follow Cindy's script about removing bamboo as the reason why she borrowed the shovel.....and came up with oh I had to use the shovel to get the ladder out of the pool.
Just sayin'

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

And then we're left with the possibility that neither story of the bamboo digging or the ladder is true. . . That the family had just not coordinated their lies yet.

 

[Intermezzo]

I don't take any credence to the ladder in the pool OR the shovel being used to pull it out. Its a possibility? However, to me its more like a story KC told CA in a moment to explain something CA asked her about the ladder and the shovel. Everything out of KC's mouth is a lie. Yeah maybe the shovel was in the pool, but until evidence of that comes from LE, I don't believe a word of it.

BBM
I sooo totaly agree with you

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

BBM

Perhaps the ladder was never in the pool and Casey lied (hmm imagine that)Casey forgot to follow Cindy's script about removing bamboo as the reason why she borrowed the shovel.....and came up with oh I had to use the shovel to get the ladder out of the pool.
Just sayin'

Sorry, I must have been typing while you were posting! :blowkiss:

 

[Tuffy]

And then we're left with the possibility that neither story of the bamboo digging or the ladder is true. . . That the family had just not coordinated their lies yet.

I'm with you on this one. I don't think either story is true. The shovel was used for something else. I'm not sure what at this point, but I don't believe CA or KC.

 

[Intermezzo]

I remember both her and GA talking about it. That CA called GA and asked "did you move the pool ladder, did you go swimming today?" or something to that effect. GA saying "No, I didn't swim today". Not that it means anything here, but just that the ladder seems to be an issue and I remember them talking about it in an interview.

IMO
The only issue with the pool ladder was that,according to CA, it was up against the pool when it should not have been.
IMO Casey's story about having to borrow the shovel to lift the ladder out of the pool is BS...was she wet from leaning up against the pool, or got wet handling a wet shovel or grabbing and lifing the pool ladder back to the ground. A lie, yet again another lie.

 

[Intermezzo]

We have an above ground pool and what we used to do was detach the ladder on the outside of the pool to keep the kids from climbing on it...We would move it and hang it on the side of our garage out of reach..

If the 'ladder' itself was detached and put in the pool it would sink thus needing something like a shovel to retrieve it..Why it would be put in the pool in the first place is another thing..

BMM
But I think she would have gotten at least a bit wet doing so and sweaty, Florida in June is hot. She was neither IIRC from the neighbor

 

[okiedokietoo]

Ok I need to get something out of the pool. I can use a mop or broom, something that I can find here at my house or let's see, go borrow a heavy shovel from the neighbor next door....
It doesn't work when I think about it and it doesn't work when I type it. A shovel is used to dig

 

[Woe.be.gone]

This appears to be exactly like the ladder we had on our pool (til we built a deck around it).

It was a pretty tall A frame and we didn't have any trouble with it tipping towards to the pool (or away) when my teenagers climbed or hung from it, so I assumed it was different than the one on the Anthonys. Ours was also pretty heavy and I know I couldn't have submerged it into the pool if I tried.

The one you had is bigger than the one the A's have because theirs has three stairs and this one has four, etc. This one is the improved version and it said it weighs 40lbs. I would assume theirs would be less weight then. But like I said before, I have no idea if the ladder could accidently be pulled into the pool - which is why your experience helps to understand what may be possible or not. But their ladder looks to be a lesser quality and an older design.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM

Perhaps the ladder was never in the pool and Casey lied (hmm imagine that)Casey forgot to follow Cindy's script about removing bamboo as the reason why she borrowed the shovel.....and came up with oh I had to use the shovel to get the ladder out of the pool.
Just sayin'

Why do you think KC would point to the pool though? I mean would she want to elude to a drowning or point to the pool? Afterall this was several days after Father's Day that she backed into the driveway and borrowed the shovel. I don't get why she would vere from CA's excuse and make up her own with Tracy sitting right there in the room. Ideas?

 

[snow_walker]

The thing is, both CA and GA seemed to have a problem with the pool story, they tried to make her back away from the subject. Could be they just wanted KC to stick to the bamboo story they had made for her, but what real difference would it make if there was some innocent reason for KC using the shovel in the pool?

It seems there was some reason why they wanted to divert attention from that pool/ladder story. Something there sounds like an inadvertant 'truthism' on KC's part. Otherwise if it were just more smoke and mirrors they would not have cared if she gave a dozen stories about what the shovel was used for.

The A's stomp on the truth, whenever it rears it's ugly head anywhere near them, but manage falsehoods without batting an eye. So this time, I think KC accidently spoke some small bit of truth.. she used the shovel to move the ladder in the pool.

 

[magic-cat]

The thing is, both CA and GA seemed to have a problem with the pool story, they tried to make her back away from the subject. Could be they just wanted KC to stick to the bamboo story they had made for her, but what real difference would it make if there was some innocent reason for KC using the shovel in the pool?

It seems there was some reason why they wanted to divert attention from that pool/ladder story. Something there sounds like an inadvertant 'truthism' on KC's part. Otherwise if it were just more smoke and mirrors they would not have cared if she gave a dozen stories about what the shovel was used for.

The A's stomp on the truth, whenever it rears it's ugly head anywhere near them, but manage falsehoods without batting an eye. So this time, I think KC accidently spoke some small bit of truth.. she used the shovel to move the ladder in the pool.

Or maybe she used the shovel to move Caylee in the pool? Not a chance she is going to say THAT for sure! So the "truthism" could just be something to do with the pool...but this is Casey Anthony we are talking about, and having listened to several hours of EXTREMELY revealing interviews with some people who were in close contact with her, there is no way I believe there IS any "truthism" in anything the little witch has to say. She lies if she opens her mouth and never a word of truth is involved.

Think about that ladder. It goes up one side and down the other, like an A shape. There is NO way that ladder got inside the pool unless someone threw it in there...And why on earth would someone throw it in there? And when you have a pool and swim on an almost daily basis if you DO happen to discover the ladder in the pool, well, who would not just go put on a swimsuit and jump in and replace it to its proper spot? WHO goes and borrows a BIG shovel from the neighbor, when, as someone else here mentioned, a broom or a mop handle would do the trick just as easily and more conveniently since there would be any one of those items in your kitchen easily accessible and NOT locked in the shed...and why did George and Cindy THEN create the whole bamboo story when that OBVIOUSLY was not the story Casey was telling. Why are these people telling so many different stories when CAYLEE IS MISSING and her very LIFE is supposedly AT STAKE?

The bamboo story was not believable and neither is the I borrowed the shovel to get the ladder out of the pool story. How come nobody ever EXPLAINED how the ladder got into the pool? Where are the details that would make these idiotic ridiculous stories a little more believable? These people ABSOLUTELY take the cake!:behindbar

 

[chefmom]

Why do you think KC would point to the pool though? I mean would she want to elude to a drowning or point to the pool? Afterall this was several days after Father's Day that she backed into the driveway and borrowed the shovel. I don't get why she would vere from CA's excuse and make up her own with Tracy sitting right there in the room. Ideas?

Aw, W.B.G.! You are trying to make since out of something that the A's said! Can't be done! Lol! :crazy:

 

[LambChop]

Wasn't there a report early on in the investigation that someone had tried to dig a hole near the house, opposite the pool but hit part of the foundation and GA claimed he was moving some bushes? Maybe KC had tried to dig a hole by the house and hit the concrete and gave up on trying to bury Caylee in the backyard. She may have washed the shovel off in the pool. If she were removing bamboo wouldn't the shovel have had some dirt on it. I could see wiping the shovel off but washing it totally clean does not sound like something KC would bother with.