The Use of the Shovel

[momtective]

Remember Miss James-we're talking about a girl who used google to look up "shovel"-so maybe KC is only slightly stoopid! (~_+)

Exactly and might I add...who the h3ll googles shovel??? Did she not know what a shovel was? Did she not know how to use a shovel? Did she not know exactly what she needed to borrow from BB?
It has always bothered me that she would google "Shovel."
Who does that...???:waitasec:

 

[MissJames]

Remember Miss James-we're talking about a girl who used google to look up "shovel"-so maybe KC is only slightly stoopid! (~_+)

I forgot about that search!
Maybe she was going to use the shovel on GA and CA ,then chickened out
She could have told everyone G and C took Caylee on a trip and disappeared!
Or that THEY kidnapped Caylee and were gone
All her problems would be solved and she would have the house,just like she told Amy.

 

[essies]

Exactly and might I add...who the h3ll googles shovel??? Did she not know what a shovel was? Did she not know how to use a shovel? Did she not know exactly what she needed to barrow from BB?
It has always bothered me that she would google "Shovel."
Who does that...???:waitasec:

 

[momtective]

On second thought maybe she googled to see how much shovels cost. Maybe she was going to go buy one, then she had a lightbulb moment..."Oh, I could just borrow one from the neighbor."

 

[essies]

On second thought maybe she googled to see how much shovels cost. Maybe she was going to go buy one, then she had a lightbulb moment..."Oh, I could just borrow one from the neighbor."

I don't think the cost would bother her-I'm sure Cindy had enough on her CC's to cover that! I think the google searches will point towards premeditation when this goes to trial!

 

[MissJames]

On second thought maybe she googled to see how much shovels cost. Maybe she was going to go buy one, then she had a lightbulb moment..."Oh, I could just borrow one from the neighbor."

I thought she googled "how to kill with a shovel" as well as other household items

 

[100%Agave]

She borrowed the shovel on the 18th right? Approx. 2 days after everyone suspects that Caylee died?

What if the shovel really was borrowed for the express purpose of digging up a bamboo root that she tripped over? I can see her walking out into the yard, tripping over the root, getting PO'd big time, can't get into the shed so borrows a shovel from the neighbor.

After all KC is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Maybe she was doing her thing getting ready to rid herself of Caylee's body and needs to go into the backyard for something. She trips over the bamboo root and the rest is history.

Doesn't have anything to do with Caylee. Just KC at her "can't think more than 10 minutes ahead" self. At that point in time, the root was the most important because that was what was on her mind.

 

[snow_walker]

I doubt she was looking on google for a shovel as such.. Shovel is also the name of a macintosh program.. it looks for updates to programs on your computer and installs them.. maybe that is what she was looking for.. or perhaps it is the name of some local band or nightclub?

 

[MissJames]

On second thought maybe she googled to see how much shovels cost. Maybe she was going to go buy one, then she had a lightbulb moment..."Oh, I could just borrow one from the neighbor."

She did the google search in March,around her birthday.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18965454/detail.html

It has it lumped in with other searches on how to kill with household weapons and how to make chloroform. Did we see documents about what she actually pulled up on the computer?

 

[christee]

Makes me wonder: If KC did rinse the shovel in the pool, what are the chances that CA didn't freak out at the sight of dirt in her pool and vacuum it up before LE got a sample of it?
I guess LE didn't get that sample-lol

 

[Just Jayla]

OK, I don't know/remember all the details like most of you do, but could the shovel have been to lift up/loosen some pavers? Perhaps she needed help getting pavers lifted out of the dirt, something to shove under the edge (rather than fingers) to get them loose. Could the indentation have been where the pavers were before Casey removed them with the help of a shovel?

That's a brilliant thought, were the pavers there already, or did they place them after the 18th?

That's a reeeally brilliant thought, and if not pvaers, maybe she used it as a lever for something else. You just fired up my brain cells, lemme think more on this.....

 

[Just Jayla]

Why would KC move the pavers, and is it possible that those pavers found in the woods did belong to the A's at some point? I think we addressed this here at some point, that maybe those were not the A's pavers that were found in the woods, CA said hers were peach colored...

 

[Just Jayla]

If those pavers were from the A's, was she going to use them to sink Caylee in the pool or another body of water, peri or post mortem?

 

[Just Jayla]

Sorry to keep firing these off....Maybe she used the shovel to loosen the pavers, and then stacked the pavers by the pool where the indentation was, so she could reach over the side. She is short.....

 

[robotdog]

if she needed to move a paver... (although i think this theory is possible )

a soup spoon from the kitchen would have done the job of tipping or getting something under the paver to be able to move it, or anything else from the kitchen or a spatula from the outdoor grill...

i think the shovel was probably to dig a hole down the street (where the baby was found ) and she found the ground to difficult to dig or too wet

thus, she tossed the baby like garbage...

shovels are for digging

on a related topic, does anyone ever remember seeing the picture of George
on the side of the road just standing there......on a different road than where the baby was found. it was before the baby was found and it was like he just pulled off the road and was looking for something right off the ROAD

he knew, he knew he knew

he just didnt know the EXACT location

:furious:

 

[cecybeans]

Why would KC move the pavers, and is it possible that those pavers found in the woods did belong to the A's at some point? I think we addressed this here at some point, that maybe those were not the A's pavers that were found in the woods, CA said hers were peach colored...

I know that CA said hers were peach colored, but I think there were all kinds of pavers (like the ones in the front of the house that looked grey that bordered the shrub/garden next to the house) to others that could have been taken elsewhere from the yard. There were quite a few threads that had pictures of the house and I never thought any looked "peach". Also, weren't they all redone on July 4 weekend? If they had started digging up old pavers in preparation for the new "peach" ones, the old ones may have been stacked in the back yard. I doubt the Anthonys would have EVER told LE anything they weren't directly asked or that might at some point be evidence against their daughter. They were very very reluctant to cooperate and that is putting it mildly. I wouldn't trust CA to tell me what color the sky is. That's an interesting idea you had about perhaps using it to weigh her down at some point, or to mark the place and come back later for that (only she got distracted with so much other "event planning" it slipped her mind).

 

[essies]

This is from Nancy Grace 9/09/09 about the shovel:

GRACE: And to Leonard Padilla, she also makes a stunning admission about the shovel that many people think is linked to the murder.

PADILLA: Well, the part of the shovel that I got basically was what I`m talking to Tracy and talking to the neighbor that loaned her the shovel, I believe she told Tracy that they didn`t even have it right. Somehow, she`d used the shovel to scoop the ladder out of the pool or sometimes there was the discussion about that it was used to knock off the palm pods back there.

GRACE: Well, you know what?

PADILLA: There was several explanations for the...

GRACE: Leonard, you`re absolutely correct. Liz, let`s let the viewers hear what tot mom had to say behind closed doors about a shovel many people believe is somehow link to Caylee`s murder.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCLAUGHLIN: She starts talking about the shovel and she goes -- and she says, well, hello, they didn`t even have the timeline right. And the mom says no, and she said, no, the mom -- Casey said they didn`t have the timeline right. And then her mom said yes, they didn`t know what you were doing.

And she goes, hello? I was using it to knock the bamboo down, and then she said and look for the -- or get the ladder out of the pool. And as soon as she said that, I`m sitting like this, her mom looks at her like shut up. George walks in from the back room shaking his head, so I`m not supposed to see, shaking his head, getting in the cupboard like just drop that so that`s when she said getting the ladder out of the pool. That`s what she needed the shovel for.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../09/ng.01.html

 

[The Eunice Burns]

I know that CA said hers were peach colored, but I think there were all kinds of pavers (like the ones in the front of the house that looked grey that bordered the shrub/garden next to the house) to others that could have been taken elsewhere from the yard. There were quite a few threads that had pictures of the house and I never thought any looked "peach". Also, weren't they all redone on July 4 weekend? If they had started digging up old pavers in preparation for the new "peach" ones, the old ones may have been stacked in the back yard. I doubt the Anthonys would have EVER told LE anything they weren't directly asked or that might at some point be evidence against their daughter. They were very very reluctant to cooperate and that is putting it mildly. I wouldn't trust CA to tell me what color the sky is. That's an interesting idea you had about perhaps using it to weigh her down at some point, or to mark the place and come back later for that (only she got distracted with so much other "event planning" it slipped her mind).

Peach, gray, green, red, or whatever color.....concrete pavers left in an area where there is water can and often get white patches or areas from something called efflorescence. Minerals and salts in the water will cause concrete, brick, clay, stone, etc to get chalky, white areas. My husband and I are in a business that deals w/ removing this from brick and concrete floors. Here in the Southwest, moisture is not as much of an issue, but we do have ground water seepage that will affect a concrete slab. In FL, where moisture is a continual problem, I would imagine that peach pavers left at the remains site could have turned white or chalky. So, when I heard CA protest that their pavers were peach.....I thought, so what? They could have been affected by efflorescence in that amount of time.

(I had posted about this on another thread, so sorry if it is repetitive to some.)

 

[Curious Me]

From the phone pings and decomp of car reports, we know Caylee's dead body was probably in the trunk two and a half days - from sometime late
June 15th/Early June 16th until June 18th.

We know the duct tape was placed sometime before/or soon after death. I am having to imagine Casey riding around with a dead little girl in her trunk already wearing duct tape. Bizarre. The finality of the placement of the tape is what gets me.

By June 18th Casey was ready to dispose. Why would you want to dare borrow a shovel from a neighbor when you had a dead body you wanted to secretly dispose of? Oh, right, Casey thought she could get away with this and everything else.

Does she borrow the shovel to:

- lift messy body out of car trunk into better bagging?

_ pry pavers up with plans to bury body then repave?

- have plans to dig a grave right in her folk's backyard?

- really want to dig up those bamboo shoots?

- need the shovel to get a pool ladder out of the pool? How did it even get in the pool?

- odd, too, there were actually internet searches for shovels long before the crime. How strange is that!

Someone said the shovel might have been washed off in the backyard causing the cadaver dogs to hit out there which made sense. Does decomp wash off that easy. The shovel didn't test positive for decomp.

With all these clues, I still feel clueless. I'll just keep reading all the brillant things my fellow WSers have to offer. This feeling I have must be the feeling you get when trying to imagine a "senseless crime".

Precious Caylee gone.

 

[Just Jayla]

From the phone pings and decomp of car reports, we know Caylee's dead body was probably in the trunk two and a half days - from sometime late
June 15th/Early June 16th until June 18th.

We know the duct tape was placed sometime before/or soon after death. I am having to imagine Casey riding around with a dead little girl in her trunk already wearing duct tape. Bizarre. The finality of the placement of the tape is what gets me. KC is repulsive.

By June 18th Casey was ready to dispose. Why would you want to dare borrow a shovel from a neighbor when you had a dead body you wanted to secretly dispose of? Oh, right, Casey thought she could get away with this and everything else. I think she wanted to buy one originally, that's why she Googled (first results would probably be advertisements/websites for shovels), she may have wanted an idea of the price, since she had no cake. Or, she wanted to find the right kind of shovel, since there are various types. She may have re-thunk the idea of buying one, since it would leave a sale trail (yes, she would then be stupid enough to borrow one from the neighbor).

Does she borrow the shovel to:

- lift messy body out of car trunk into better bagging? Mmmm, not sure a shovel would be a good tool for that, she would have to balance the bag on the end of it.
_ pry pavers up with plans to bury body then repave? Yep, possible

- have plans to dig a grave right in her folk's backyard? Yep, or somewhere else

- really want to dig up those bamboo shoots? Doubt it, she knew her parents would be back there doing their yardwork at some point, let them do it
- need the shovel to get a pool ladder out of the pool? How did it even get in the pool? Still pondering this one
- odd, too, there were actually internet searches for shovels long before the crime. How strange is that!

Someone said the shovel might have been washed off in the backyard causing the cadaver dogs to hit out there which made sense. Does decomp wash off that easy. The shovel didn't test positive for decomp.

With all these clues, I still feel clueless. I'll just keep reading all the brillant things my fellow WSers have to offer. This feeling I have must be the feeling you get when trying to imagine a "senseless crime".

Precious Caylee gone.

Thank you for these ideas, we might be going somewhere with this-Red notes above by moi.