The window and the lights

[Abby Normal]

Im perplexed by why LE feels the need to focus on the window when the door was open? Another thing that just popped in my head. If I forgot to lock the door ONCE, Im not sure I would be so sure I forgot to lock it. I mean how many times have you thought you left your iron on or curling iron plugged in or windows open when you leave. I might be thinking "did I leave the door unlocked?", but Im not sure I would KNOW, oh yeah, I left the door unlocked. Im not sure if Im explaining it the right way, but I find that kind of odd.
And yes, why would an intruder go in the front window?? Lets say the intruder went in the window and out the door, leaving it unlocked. Wouldnt the Mom be pondering in her mind if she left it unlocked? Or why would she even say that if the window was open and could have been the point of entry? Why is she so sure she left it unlocked?
This is just weird. Unless the window has nothing to do with this at all.

If they thought someone went in the window and out the door, the door would still be left unlocked when the perp left. I realize it's unlikely that someone came in the window, but I think it has to be entertained as a possibility.

 

[Ginny]

Good morning.

I've been thinking about poor Lisa and am having trouble falling asleep because of her. I've thought long and hard about the lights and have a real issue with them. Please forgive me if this has been already mentioned but it's almost impossible for me to read every post.

If DB did leave the door unlocked and the lights on when she went to bed, I find it difficult to believe a stranger would have come into the house. If the intruder turned on the lights, I'm wondering why the baby monitor didn't pick it up. Although I'm sure I have a different brand of monitor, I can hear my husband through our monitor typing three rooms away.

In my heart, I want to believe that DB and JI didn't have anything to do with her disappearance but I'm having a hard time. I'm also wondering when JI was scheduled to work that night. Was it days in advance? that day? did he volunteer to go in at the last minute? or uncharacteristically volunteer to stay late?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'd like to know what the deal is with the plastic over the window in the nursery. I just naturally assumed LE did that, but now I'm starting to wonder if the window might be broken. Need to look at some outside shots of the house.

 

[Pacific2011]

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In my heart, I want to believe that DB and JI didn't have anything to do with her disappearance but I'm having a hard time. I'm also wondering when JI was scheduled to work that night. Was it days in advance? that day? did he volunteer to go in at the last minute? or uncharacteristically volunteer to stay late?

VERY good questions!

 

[panthera]

I'd like to know what the deal is with the plastic over the window in the nursery. I just naturally assumed LE did that, but now I'm starting to wonder if the window might be broken. Need to look at some outside shots of the house.

Have we seen any other photos of Lisa's room other than that with the black plastic and duct tape over the window? Just curious if CSI had put it there, why it wasn't removed after they were finished. Strange as it sounds, I have known of people who will use practically anything to block out light on a window.

Also curious about the window coverings on the front rooms, and how much visible light there would be from outside if the lights had been left on. Basically, what kidnapper enters a well-lit home where people could be awake and up?

 

[marge_rita]

Maybe D and J couldn't afford to replace the window and screen and left the tape and dark bags up? Just a guess.

imo

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I'd like to know what the deal is with the plastic over the window in the nursery. I just naturally assumed LE did that, but now I'm starting to wonder if the window might be broken. Need to look at some outside shots of the house.

When NG discussed the case last week, she suggested that the dark covering was to keep daylight out for Baby Lisa's naps, but she also said that LE would have done this if they were searching for evidence with Luminol.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

OK - here's a pic of the front of the house.

The window on the far right was the one with the screen pushed in and open.

How did dad notice this when coming home at approx. 3:30 AM? You park, go in the front door. From what I've seen of the inside layout - you hang a hard right once in the front door and you're in the kitchen (the 2 windows together to the right of the front door). Walk through the kitchen and then into the "computer room" and that window.

Now, I could see dad coming in and going into the kitchen. But he continued walking away from the bedrooms and where the family would be. Why?

I know, the lights were on. But still wouldn't you head straight to the children's rooms to check first? I would.

But I do believe he couldn't see that window - screen pushed in and it being open from just coming home in the dead of the night.

JMHO

P.S. You can also see the steps here where DB and neighbor must have had their glasses of wine.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Wouldn't Jeremy have entered the house from the garage? Most people who have a garage don't use their front door to enter their house when they're been out in the car. Only time I've ever done this is if the power's out, and the garage door opener doesn't function.

 

[Patty G]

OK - here's a pic of the front of the house.

The window on the far right was the one with the screen pushed in and open.

How did dad notice this when coming home at approx. 3:30 AM? You park, go in the front door. From what I've seen of the inside layout - you hang a hard right once in the front door and you're in the kitchen (the 2 windows together to the right of the front door). Walk through the kitchen and then into the "computer room" and that window.

Now, I could see dad coming in and going into the kitchen. But he continued walking away from the bedrooms and where the family would be. Why?

I know, the lights were on. But still wouldn't you head straight to the children's rooms to check first? I would.

But I do believe he couldn't see that window - screen pushed in and it being open from just coming home in the dead of the night.

JMHO

P.S. You can also see the steps here where DB and neighbor must have had their glasses of wine.

I am thinking that perhaps JI planned on sleeping in the computer room so he wouldn't disturb his wife when he came into the house in the wee hours of the morning. This maybe how he noticed the window was open and went to close it before he went to sleep, perhaps on a sofa, and then noticed the screen issue.

IIRC, they use this room as another living room or family room. I forgot the exact wording they used in an interview.

I am wondering if JI put the key in the lock in order to open the door, or if he tried the door first and found it open or as unlocking the door turn the handle to discover it wasn't locked.

 

[Patty G]

Wouldn't Jeremy have entered the house from the garage? Most people who have a garage don't use their front door to enter their house when they're been out in the car. Only time I've ever done this is if the power's out, and the garage door opener doesn't function.

Not sure he would have opened those garage doors since all of the bedrooms are at the back of the house and opening the garage doors in the wee hours of the morning could disturb the family.

 

[not_my_kids]

If it was an abduction by anyone that lived outside the house, I figure the person might have used the window as a test. Maybe they figured that they could push on the window, make a little bit of noise, and if a dog was going to bark, or anyone wake up and come running, it would be a lot easier to just duck and run. A lot better chance of getting away if they were already outside, as opposed to inside the house. Maybe the noise did wake someone. If that someone was one of the boys, they might have tried to play protector (first night dad's at work, it's their turn to be "man of the house") snuck out, turning on lights as they went, giving someone plenty of time to run off in the dark and not be seen. Kid gets to the front of the house, doesn't notice that there's anything wrong with the window, and goes back to bed, leaving the lights on. No reason to wake his mom now that he knows there's nothing out there.

Guy comes back an hour later, decides to try the door, or use the key he might potentially have stolen from the car the month before (if indeed there was ever such a key in the car), and walks right in. He already knows the window would make too much noise. He might have tried it again, depending on whether his target was Lisa or if he was just breaking into a random home, but if he was able to use the door, anyone would take that as the smart bet. The lights are already on, he prowls quietly through the house, grabs the cell phones, either to delay the 911 call, or just for extra cash, gets to LIsa's room, and decides that she is a much better score than some cell phones. It makes sense that the door would still be unlocked. Why waste extra time to lock it, when he was already on his way out.

Of course, at this point, we don't know if Lisa was taken by a male or female, I just used the word he as an example.
We also don't know what the boys may or may not have said. I don't anticipate hearing their statements any time soon.

 

[marge_rita]

OK - here's a pic of the front of the house.

The window on the far right was the one with the screen pushed in and open.

How did dad notice this when coming home at approx. 3:30 AM? You park, go in the front door. From what I've seen of the inside layout - you hang a hard right once in the front door and you're in the kitchen (the 2 windows together to the right of the front door). Walk through the kitchen and then into the "computer room" and that window.

Now, I could see dad coming in and going into the kitchen. But he continued walking away from the bedrooms and where the family would be. Why?

I know, the lights were on. But still wouldn't you head straight to the children's rooms to check first? I would.

But I do believe he couldn't see that window - screen pushed in and it being open from just coming home in the dead of the night.

JMHO

P.S. You can also see the steps here where DB and neighbor must have had their glasses of wine.

I'm with you.........I don't see how J could have noticed the window screen at the far end of the front of the house being bent in. No way--not at 3:30am when it's dark.

 

[marge_rita]

I 'get' pulling up and noticing the front door open and the living room lights on, but beyond that, IDK.

imo

 

[panthera]

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OK - here's a pic of the front of the house.

The window on the far right was the one with the screen pushed in and open.

How did dad notice this when coming home at approx. 3:30 AM? You park, go in the front door. From what I've seen of the inside layout - you hang a hard right once in the front door and you're in the kitchen (the 2 windows together to the right of the front door). Walk through the kitchen and then into the "computer room" and that window.

Now, I could see dad coming in and going into the kitchen. But he continued walking away from the bedrooms and where the family would be. Why?

I know, the lights were on. But still wouldn't you head straight to the children's rooms to check first? I would.

But I do believe he couldn't see that window - screen pushed in and it being open from just coming home in the dead of the night.

JMHO

P.S. You can also see the steps here where DB and neighbor must have had their glasses of wine.

I believe he would notice the window only after entering the house, and feeling cold air coming in from the window. He may already have been somewhat alarmed if he had noticed the front door unlocked, and the lights on. But notice it from outside when he'd be entering from a different direction towards the front door? No way!

Also, it was my understanding DB and friend were out on the back patio having wine, not outside the front door. Now I'm confused!

 

[not_my_kids]

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-tip...ack-lisa-irwins-case-20111009,0,1434833.story
I've been doing some transcription of some of the videos, and I found this one. It was taken at dusk, and shows what the house would look like from the outside, with all the lights on and the blinds drawn. Just thought I'd share if anyone was curious as to how much could have been seen from the outside.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

http://video.insider.foxnews.com/v/...-changed-their-story-over-the-past-two-weeks/

http://video.insider.foxnews.com/v/...-changed-their-story-over-the-past-two-weeks/


These are the links from Fox News Megyn Kelly interview on 10-17-11 regarding the INCONSISTENCIES in the parents' "stories" about the "lights" and "window" ...

 

[frankie069]

I think in light of the new information that has come out in the last day or so that:

1. The window was probably like that all along, with a slightly bent screen. Good way to throw the police off and use that as a possible entry way, though inconsistencies have already told us the parents said no, no one could fit through the window, to, yes thats how they came in. I dont buy it.

2. I think the lights were left on because mom was busy not only having her adult time but she did something to the baby and had to jump into bed quickly when dad came home and didnt have a chance to shut the lights out and this worked to her advantage. I personally have never seen a kidnapper come into a home and turn on all the lights and leave them on while trying to either take a child or rob someone. I dont buy it.

3. The open door.. See above. She didnt have a chance to lock the door either because she had to jump into bed quickly. Once again a good move on her part in the end because, well someone came into the house. BUT which way did they come, the window or the front door. ??

4. I think this thread should also include the dogs. Not only their dog which didnt bark but the neighbors dog that didnt make a sound which I find hard to believe, 2 dogs and not one of them barked.. I could buy one of them being quiet, not both.

5. The cell phones, who the hell would come into a house and steal a baby and cell phones. That doesnt make sense at all. I do not like the fact that it took them over a half hour to call the police because they didnt have a phone and then said they called the police with the phone that was in JI pocket. Now being nervous, I might buy this, but, is there anyone out there that wouldnt have run to a neighbors house screaming that your kid was gone and not looked for a phone for a half hour. I dont buy this either. JMO on all of these things.

Once again, I think this thread should be a clue thread.. The windows, doors, dogs, lights, the teenager who was there and the phones which I know have their own thread already but they are also a clue..

 

[Kamille]

I'd just like to know what kind of ninja abductor could get over that bird bath thing, through the window, back out via the door and replace the screen while holding a baby right next to a fence with a very large dog next door. And not disturb any dust or debris on the sill or leave a fingerprint or footprint on anything around said window. There is a dirt garden below that window. They somehow managed to scale over all that dirt too. :waitasec:

 

[LancelotLink]

Too many things point to an "inside" job. Before the lights and window, I have to ponder:
Before an intruder, some random intruder gained access into the house via the window screen, he or she would have to know that the house was not guarded with ADT or ADP, a Dobermain Pinscher. Would a random intruder have any knowledge that there would not be a big dog or a little yappy dog inside the house, just waiting.
So, why would some random intruder take the time to try and fix the screen back when he or she may need to use this exit and quickly?
Who knew that the dog(s) are always kept out back, 24/7? Who knew that to try and gain access to Lisa through her room window would alert dog(s).
Who would walk through the house flipping on lights when they might wake up a house dog?
Who would go into that house in the first place without knowledge of a dog being inside?