Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[Skully]

Gee, Bern, I see what you're getting at, but I don't think PDM would take any chances. Remember, they dropped Ron like a hot potato, IMO because they didn't want the drama. In the 8 months since this happened, I'm sure somebody at PDM has been fired, retired, laid off, or taken another job, but we haven't heard any new information about Ron's activities that night (not even rumors).

I do think that PDM wised up to possible lapses in its security procedures and this is why they now have a new thumbprint access system, but that's just speculation. If PDM hadn't already have a pretty decent security process in place (badge check in or visual check in with sign in), camaras at all entrance & exit points, random drug testing, etc, then I think LE would have been all over this and I do not think LE would have said that they are satisfied Ron was at work and that Ron is not a suspect.

And, the points I made about how Ron could have committed this crime under the nose of Jr without Jr noticing still hold water.

There were people making accusations but LE has never released it, keeping it close to the vest and all of that, and here say you know? I just think that getting to work 45 mints early is about something. Why do you do that? Well we have suspected Ron of drug deals, could that be why you go to work early? If that were the case, and I am only speculating, you could hold that against the people you sold to or a company. KWIM?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

True, but when could this have happened if it involved Ron? If it happened before he left for work or if he sneaked home during work, then I can't imagine that Jr wouldn't have noticed. 1) Jr stuck like glue to Haleigh, 2) If there was an altercation, there would have been commotion and Jr would have noticed, 3) Even if Ron acted in the heat of the moment, he did adore this child and I think would have been shocked and grieving afterwards when he realized what he had done. Not to mention panic about what to do next. All this also involves commotion and, again, how would it be possible that Jr would not have noticed that something was wrong and it involved Haleigh? 4) When Ron went back to work, it's hard to believe that nobody would have noticed a change in his normal demeanor (yes, even knowing about Susan Smith, etc.) Also, even with shaken baby syndrome, I think there would have been some physical evidence from death that could be detected by dogs.

If it happened after Ron arrived home from work, then all of the above apply except for #4, but there just wouldn't have been enough time based upon the times we have been given that he arrived home and the 911 call was made.

I just cannot see how Ron could have possibly had the opportunity, Dr F!

Wasn't Jr asleep all day?

 

[elle1919]

Also about the foundations/money making angle. I don't get riled up about the money. I honestly don't think in Haleigh's parents case that they were hungry for money. For the most part both Crystal and Ronald led a modest life and were content with their separate lives. JMO

Back towards the beginning of this case I had horrible suspicions that The Sheffield side of the family, important for me to say....NOT CRYSTAL...went in and took Haleigh in contemplation of the recent contempt filings by the State of Florida on behalf of RC. I found it suspect that the filing had just occurred and a hearing was scheduled for June to determine what should be done about nonpayment of support. I just found that incredibly suspect, however frankly I have been at that theory from the front, the back and every which way. I suspected Johnny S. as the perp because I watched him in that Geraldo interview.....the really long one, and he never looked at the camera once, it was str-aaange(mo). I have since crossed that theory off my list because I just trust that PCSO had the means and resources to fully investigate that theory and it never seemed to me that they suspected a scenario like that. At one time Greenwood actually dismissed the custody angle and I remember Ronald stating the same here:http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090212/ARTICLES/902120298/0/SPORTS

snip~Cummings has primary custody of Haleigh, and Crystal Sheffield has her daughter every other weekend. Cummings said he expects to keep primary custody when she is returned. He added that he also wanted to dispute any ideas about the disappearance of Haleigh being related to the custody issue.

"I just want it cleared up this is not a custody battle," he said.

During a press conference Wednesday afternoon, Putnam County sheriff's Maj. Gary Bowling also stated law enforcement did not believe custody issues had anything to do with the disappearance. ~end snip.

I realize that the article I quoted is from awhile back but, when detectives rule something out I think they really do rule it out. If there are new issues that have come up with custody I haven't heard them mentioned by Law Enforcement. It just seems to me that they are focusing on Misty and her account of the night. I wish someone would come forward with details. Question: Is Amber Brooks still in jail?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

You are correct WM, Ron never puts Haleigh in a bad light, but he never backed up Misty's story either. He also doesn't say anything about all the phone calls, or Misty not answering her phone or calling Tommy. We learn this because LE lets it out to stir the pot. He doesn't question where she was on that 911 tape or why didn't you pick up? These are things we DIDN'T HEAR; they are as important as what we DO HEAR.

He never says the name Haleigh either, could it be he can't pronounce the name or something?

 

[elle1919]

I am still trying to understand why we are expected to believe this 3 day binder BS story. PCSO has not confirmed these events as facts have they? They have not connected any of the individuals that where drug out into the spot light by Cobra, Kim and AH ( Nay Nay, WBG) to the abduction of HaLeigh yet have they? Misty did make a statement as she was being followed in the airport that "that weekend was a lie". Why should we take everyone word on all that has been revealed by anyone other than PCSO?

Morning Texasmommy! Teresa N. confirmed Misty's 3 day exit, however, she didn't confirm the partying. (I don't think)I am pretty sure, she mentioned it a few times that Misty was gone for the three day period leading up to that night.

 

[kiki the parrot]

One of the biggest red flags for me was the bricked door. It screamed staged. It screamed "look I am telling the truth, see the door was bricked open, like someone came in". I think Misty thought what a kidnapping looked like in her mind. I think she is telling what she imaged how this all would play out. there were all kinds of bricks around there, but neither of them ever saw that brick. Like saying, OH, I didn't do it, there really was a kidnapper.....LE knows that. They just don't think she acted alone, and they can't get one piece of physical evidence to connect the dots.

Bingo, I've interpreted this all along as a very obvious means of suggesting "Intruder" or "Home Invasion" in the glaring absence of any forced entry and Misty never awakening.

arrot:

 

[kamky]

Well, drugs could play a part, but one would have to question why Ron did not have a job for years and somehow didnt need Crystals child support to help raise the kids since he never went to the court to get it from her- what was he doing? Early on he was going on about he was just trying to make an honest living, well what was so dishonest about his last way if living? Was he dealing drugs? Was he forced to quit because he ripped someone off? Was there retaliation-

I dont think Mistys 3 days bender had anything really do do with Haleighs demise, unless it was a fight between the two and Haleigh got hurt somehow before he went to work-

jmo

I don't think we can really say that Ron didn't go to court to try and get child support from Crystal. It is possible he didn't initially, since he knew that she didn't have any income and would not have the ability to pay. I doubt he wanted to take action that could land her in jail. Buit once she was living with and had a child with a boyfriend who was supporting her and had a job, then I would expect that Ron would have asked for payments to start.

This is all a moot point, however, as the friend of the court in FL (not sure what it's actually called there), controls this and not the individual who is supposed to get the payments. The court system tracks non-payment and takes action on delinquent payers. There is usually a tremendous lag time on this, unfortunately - several years is not incommon. (I've been there, done that!)

I agree that the 3 day bender may not have been directly involved in what happened to Haleigh. But, it demonstrates that Misty was using. As does her recent adventure in the Ragsdale complex. It's the strong evidence of Misty's drug use that's worrisome, because she is associating with people that use drugs and with drug dealers. This high risk activity and is what raises the red flags.

Again, if Haleigh was hurt before Ron went to work, how could Jr been oblivious all night long? He and Haleigh were joined at the hip...!

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I don't understand why someone would think a bricked door would point to an intruder. Seems like putting a cinder block down on a wood plank against an aluminum door would be a very noiesy operation.

 

[kamky]

There were people making accusations but LE has never released it, keeping it close to the vest and all of that, and here say you know? I just think that getting to work 45 mints early is about something. Why do you do that? Well we have suspected Ron of drug deals, could that be why you go to work early? If that were the case, and I am only speculating, you could hold that against the people you sold to or a company. KWIM?

Yes, that's true. There are a number of possibilites. According to Ron's lawyer, he made a habit of getting to work early. I'm sure that LE has the records and only they know for sure what the truth is! We haven't been told, unfortunately. We don't know if this was typical (implies Ron wanted to be sure to be on time, maybe because this was a relatively new job and he was trying to not screw it up, or liked to relax & smoke & chew the fat with other workers before starting work, or wanted to get away from Misty for a while) - or atypical (was involved in something hinky like a drug deal).

I was never one to get to work early before I retired. It was more typical of me to work late. But I had coworkers who always got there a good half hour early - some to get organized, some to have coffee & relax, one to read the paper...)

 

[kiki the parrot]

Because Dr. there had to be some evidence, something anything, to indicate someone else had been there, it didn't really matter what, open window, light on, w/e, it's the simple suggestion of something not as it was when Misty "went to sleep." ETA To claim this was done while Haleigh slept in the same room would require some explanation as to how the "intruder" could've entered and exited undetected. And even if opening a door once caused some slight sound, it would theoretically make only a fraction--one fourth to be precise--the sound of opening and closing the door upon both entering, and exiting. JMO

arrot:

 

[kamky]

Wasn't Jr asleep all day?

He was reported as out playing by the neighbors (a neighbor?), was reported as being seen by and talking to GGMA Sykes, would have been seen by the mysterious Air Conditioning guy. LE knows these details for sure, we on;y have reports. But I can't imagine Jr was asleep all day and also into the night. If so, that's hinky in of itself! If he did sleep much of the day, he would have been even more awake and alert on the night in question.

 

[elle1919]

Did we ever narrow down a floor plan for the MH at 202 Gr Lane? It would seem to me that because Misty gives such great detail about the way she noticed the back door "propped open" it would be pretty clear if she would have noticed it the way she did. KWIM? I never looked in depth to see if we could get the model of the MH of the side, or name of the maker, sometimes if we have that and the year it was produced we could get a floor plan for the house.

O/T...my hubby is leaving in the morning for Florida he has some some env. drilling to finish at NASA. If I don't go and spend some quality time with him before he leaves for the week I am going to regret it. Just wanted to say I love the direction and cooperation in the thread, I have missed it.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

If this case goes unsolved for much longer I hope LE releases what evidence they have in hopes of stirring up memories and maybe to get people looking at things a little different.

 

[kamky]

Also about the foundations/money making angle. I don't get riled up about the money. I honestly don't think in Haleigh's parents case that they were hungry for money. For the most part both Crystal and Ronald led a modest life and were content with their separate lives. JMO

Back towards the beginning of this case I had horrible suspicions that The Sheffield side of the family, important for me to say....NOT CRYSTAL...went in and took Haleigh in contemplation of the recent contempt filings by the State of Florida on behalf of RC. I found it suspect that the filing had just occurred and a hearing was scheduled for June to determine what should be done about nonpayment of support. I just found that incredibly suspect, however frankly I have been at that theory from the front, the back and every which way. I suspected Johnny S. as the perp because I watched him in that Geraldo interview.....the really long one, and he never looked at the camera once, it was str-aaange(mo). I have since crossed that theory off my list because I just trust that PCSO had the means and resources to fully investigate that theory and it never seemed to me that they suspected a scenario like that. At one time Greenwood actually dismissed the custody angle and I remember Ronald stating the same here:http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090212/ARTICLES/902120298/0/SPORTS

snip~Cummings has primary custody of Haleigh, and Crystal Sheffield has her daughter every other weekend. Cummings said he expects to keep primary custody when she is returned. He added that he also wanted to dispute any ideas about the disappearance of Haleigh being related to the custody issue.

"I just want it cleared up this is not a custody battle," he said.

During a press conference Wednesday afternoon, Putnam County sheriff's Maj. Gary Bowling also stated law enforcement did not believe custody issues had anything to do with the disappearance. ~end snip.

I realize that the article I quoted is from awhile back but, when detectives rule something out I think they really do rule it out. If there are new issues that have come up with custody I haven't heard them mentioned by Law Enforcement. It just seems to me that they are focusing on Misty and her account of the night. I wish someone would come forward with details. Question: Is Amber Brooks still in jail?

Amber is still in jail - her next court date on her 4/21 drug charges is Tues., Oct. 27.

 

[Skully]

Bingo, I've interpreted this all along as a very obvious means of suggesting "Intruder" or "Home Invasion" in the glaring absence of any forced entry and Misty never awakening.

arrot:

KiKi,

LE was lead down the path, and they didn't bite. I know she mentions the bare window for a reason, and JR getting out of bed and coming back. She wants us to think someone was lurking and saw Haleigh threw the window and she let them in. But she forgot, the lurker was carrying around a big cinder block, OMG! How stupid are we????? And he turned on the light, or did Haleigh do that too? See where I am going? So who was there and who helped her? She didn't have a car, so did she just carry Haleigh down to the canal and let her go? If she weighted her down, would she have been discovered when they were checking the canals? IDK Did someone else drive her away and dump the body?

 

[Skully]

Did we ever narrow down a floor plan for the MH at 202 Gr Lane? It would seem to me that because Misty gives such great detail about the way she noticed the back door "propped open" it would be pretty clear if she would have noticed it the way she did. KWIM? I never looked in depth to see if we could get the model of the MH of the side, or name of the maker, sometimes if we have that and the year it was produced we could get a floor plan for the house.

O/T...my hubby is leaving in the morning for Florida he has some some env. drilling to finish at NASA. If I don't go and spend some quality time with him before he leaves for the week I am going to regret it. Just wanted to say I love the direction and cooperation in the thread, I have missed it.

I have pictures I will email them to you.

 

[kamky]

If this case goes unsolved for much longer I hope LE releases what evidence they have in hopes of stirring up memories and maybe to get people looking at things a little different.

I hope so too, Dr F! Unless they are really making headway using their current way of doing this, they should try giving out more info!!!

 

[kamky]

I don't understand why someone would think a bricked door would point to an intruder. Seems like putting a cinder block down on a wood plank against an aluminum door would be a very noiesy operation.

True, one would think so.

 

[kamky]

Because Dr. there had to be some evidence, something anything, to indicate someone else had been there, it didn't really matter what, open window, light on, w/e, it's the simple suggestion of something not as it was when Misty "went to sleep." ETA To claim this was done while Haleigh slept in the same room would require some explanation as to how the "intruder" could've entered and exited undetected. And even if opening a door once caused some slight sound, it would theoretically make only a fraction--one fourth to be precise--the sound of opening and closing the door upon both entering, and exiting. JMO

arrot:

For the reasons mentioned, I think that either A) the bricked door was a coverup, or B) there was an intruder or intruders, they were sure that Misty was dead to the world, they bricked it just to make it easier to carry Haleigh out, and they weren't worried about noise too much. They apparently weren't too worried about turning the light on either...

ETA - C) If Misty was awake & involved when Haleigh was carried out (or carried her out herself), then the door could have been bricked to make it easier to carry her out also.

 

[kamky]

He never says the name Haleigh either, could it be he can't pronounce the name or something?

Just wanted to make a comment that the only time we hear Ron say anything about Haleigh is when he has been asked a question by someone who has said the name "Haleigh". So, it's not really that strange that he refer to her as "she" or "her", IMO. If someone asks me how my hubby is, I usually say "he's fine...he's doing this or that, etc." I wouldn't say his name unless I brought him up first. JMO...