Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[Malesherbes]

It is MO that this was a relationship and a step beyond babysitting. I am not sure at this time really how to interpret the fact that Misty's phone was turned off or if it could of very well have went dead (battery) and Misty placed it on a charger and when on and did what she felt she needed to get done before she her self crawled into bed. It is subjective and open to interpretation at this point without confirmation from LE as to the truth behind her actions and the phone.

Well, I love my child, and if her caregiver couldnt be bothered to take my calls, I wouldn't be so laissez-faire about the ordeal, even if I was sleeping with the caregiver, there is no good excuse ever to have your caregiver ignore you-

And then look what happened- HaLeigh has not been seen in almost 9 months, if that doesn't raise red flags for some, I guess thats fine, it literally makes me sick to my stomach-

jmo

 

[texasmommy39]

Well, I love my child, and if her caregiver couldnt be bothered to take my calls, I wouldn't be so laissez-faire about the ordeal, even if I was sleeping with the caregiver, there is no good excuse ever to have your caregiver ignore you-

And then look what happened- HaLeigh has not been seen in almost 9 months, if that doesn't raise red flags for some, I guess thats fine, it literally makes me sick to my stomach-

jmo

I understand your disgust about the fact that HaLeigh as vanished into thin air and has not been found in almost 9 months. My understanding of the facts and the lack of an arrest leads me to believe that Misty is not involved in HaLeighs abduction. I have not allowed personal dislikes of any of these individuals to cloud my understanding of the stated facts nor have I posted my personal feelings about these individuals just my opinions about the facts and my theories based on those facts.

 

[Malesherbes]

I understand your disgust about the fact that HaLeigh as vanished into thin air and has not been found in almost 9 months. My understanding of the facts and the lack of an arrest leads me to believe that Misty is not involved in HaLeighs abduction. I have not allowed personal dislikes of any of these individuals to cloud my understanding of the stated facts nor have I posted my personal feelings about these individuals just my opinions about the facts and my theories based on those facts.

I dont let personal feelings get in the way, I base my theories on phone calls, lie detector tests, and the actions of people who are getting married while their child could be getting raped and beaten by a sex offender, its those things that scream out at me more than my personal feelings-

 

[texasmommy39]

I dont let personal feelings get in the way, I base my theories on phone calls, lie detector tests, and the actions of people who are getting married while their child could be getting raped and beaten by a sex offender, its those things that scream out at me more than my personal feelings-

I didn't see you mention the facts..... That is what is needed to solve this case. I will not debate with you about your opinion Malesherbes, I respect you and your freedoms. I have seen it on tweet tweet and other places... I understand and respect your personal opinions.

 

[Malesherbes]

I didn't see you mention the facts..... That is what is needed to solve this case. I will not debate with you about your opinion Malesherbes, I respect you and your freedoms. I have seen it on tweet tweet and other places... I understand and respect your personal opinions.

Right, facts are LE says Misty is the key to finding Haleigh- They say shes inconsistent about the events of that night- you are right, thats exactly what we should be focusing on, the facts- focusing on Misty will find out the truth about Haleigh-

jmo

 

[Flossie JMO]

Back to theories, who else has one?

 

[texasmommy39]

Right, facts are LE says Misty is the key to finding Haleigh- They say shes inconsistent about the events of that night- you are right, thats exactly what we should be focusing on, the facts- focusing on Misty will find out the truth about Haleigh-

jmo

LOL......The fact that LE has made that statement is not an indication that Misty is a suspect to HaLeigh's abduction, but, could hold unknowingly a little piece to the timeline puzzle that would make their job easier. I have not argued that LE is not clear on the timeline after 10 pm, but, how clearer can it become when Misty continues to maintain she was asleep? The window of opportunity is wide open for an estimated 5 hours and evidently it is something that hinders LE's investigation to narrow down poi's based on alibis and stories within that timeline from each member of all these families. The fact that LE has stated it was not a stranger abduction indicates to me that their is evidence to suggest to LE that someone has motive within the families and they are the only ones that would have gained access to the mh under the known circumstances ( new locks and the door was said to be always locked) and who HaLeigh would only leave with quietly and willingly (requiring the light and leaving a footprint).

 

[cyberborg]

I am sad that there still seems to be a double-standard on this thread so I have refrained from posting. While posters of theories that suggest the involvement of Misty, Ron, TN etc are challenged for facts to support them -- it seems that opinions that someone abducted HaLeigh take precedence and do not need to adopt the same standard.

Given the lack of facts, to me, theories are very much plausible opinions and an abduction by extended family or stranger is every as bit as much of an opinion as Misty being directly involved and being the key to the LE investigation.

I completely understand that this case is VERY very very frustrating but we seem to have evolved back to basing discussion on our beliefs, positions and, how we personally feel about actors rather than un-biasedly debating the theories equally and fairly.

I respect those that believe or want to believe that HaLeigh is out there being held captive and alive as do I respect those (likeTM) who believe or want to believe HaLeigh died at the hands of her more immediate family, either by accident, overdose or, abuse.

Lets not knock down one set of theories demanding facts and links unless we hold ourselves to the exact same standard.

I am going back to lurking.

 

[Malesherbes]

LOL......The fact that LE has made that statement is not an indication that Misty is a suspect to HaLeigh's abduction, but, could hold unknowingly a little piece to the timeline puzzle that would make their job easier. I have not argued that LE is not clear on the timeline after 10 pm, but, how clearer can it become when Misty continues to maintain she was asleep? The window of opportunity is wide open for an estimated 5 hours and evidently it is something that hinders LE's investigation to narrow down poi's based on alibis and stories within that timeline from each member of all these families. The fact that LE has stated it was not a stranger abduction indicates to me that their is evidence to suggest to LE that someone has motive within the families and they are the only ones that would have gained access to the mh under the known circumstances ( new locks and the door was said to be always locked) and who HaLeigh would only leave with quietly and willingly (requiring the light and leaving a footprint).

Right, I hear ya, but the LE cant come out and say, We think this child is dead, they just are never going to do that without proof- They arent tearing up the mondex in the hopes Haleigh watched Bindi the Jungle girl and made a fort out there and is hiding from people-

And if anyone thinks Sara took Haleigh, they better call in the tipline so that they can go search her mobile home for secret rooms and whatnot, because shes been in jail for a bit now, Haleigh would prob need her food supply replenished-

jmo

 

[texasmommy39]

Back to theories, who else has one?

Is it far fetched to speculate that Sarah would go in and get HaLeigh from her bed with no fear of waking or confronting Misty if she had to? IMO she does show indicators and has been around when certain things have went down. I also have wondered about the mention of Sarah moving around a few times since HaLeighs abduction. I had first heard she was staying with Johnny when HaLeigh went missing and then I heard she was living out on the farm with her mom Marie and then someone commented on her Myspace that she moved out of her mom's sometime around or before September.

 

[curvecuti]

I am sad that there still seems to be a double-standard on this thread so I have refrained from posting. While posters of theories that suggest the involvement of Misty, Ron, TN etc are challenged for facts to support them -- it seems that opinions that someone abducted HaLeigh take precedence and do not need to adopt the same standard.

Given the lack of facts, to me, theories are very much plausible opinions and an abduction by extended family or stranger is every as bit as much of an opinion as Misty being directly involved and being the key to the LE investigation.

I completely understand that this case is VERY very very frustrating but we seem to have evolved back to basing discussion on our beliefs, positions and, how we personally feel about actors rather than un-biasedly debating the theories equally and fairly.

I respect those that believe or want to believe that HaLeigh is out there being held captive and alive as do I respect those (likeTM) who believe or want to believe HaLeigh died at the hands of her more immediate family, either by accident, overdose or, abuse.

Lets not knock down one set of theories demanding facts and links unless we hold ourselves to the exact same standard.

I am going back to lurking.

I did a quick look-through and didn't see anyone ask for facts to back up a theory, I may have missed it, if so, I apologize. But, it is my understanding that upstairs here, if you state something in the form of a fact, i.e. "Ron did not work his entire shift that night." you have to have a link to that "fact" to back it up. If you state it "IF Ron did not work his entire shift that night." you don't have to provide a link. Is that correct? IDK for sure, but I would like to be clear on it. TIA.

I know theories are ok because this is the theory thread, but I don't think you can just rattle off info. as fact if it isn't. Like I said, IDK, and would like to be sure.

 

[texasmommy39]

I am sad that there still seems to be a double-standard on this thread so I have refrained from posting. While posters of theories that suggest the involvement of Misty, Ron, TN etc are challenged for facts to support them -- it seems that opinions that someone abducted HaLeigh take precedence and do not need to adopt the same standard.

Given the lack of facts, to me, theories are very much plausible opinions and an abduction by extended family or stranger is every as bit as much of an opinion as Misty being directly involved and being the key to the LE investigation.

I completely understand that this case is VERY very very frustrating but we seem to have evolved back to basing discussion on our beliefs, positions and, how we personally feel about actors rather than un-biasedly debating the theories equally and fairly.

I respect those that believe or want to believe that HaLeigh is out there being held captive and alive as do I respect those (likeTM) who believe or want to believe HaLeigh died at the hands of her more immediate family, either by accident, overdose or, abuse.

Lets not knock down one set of theories demanding facts and links unless we hold ourselves to the exact same standard.

I am going back to lurking.

cyberborg, when this case revert back solely to the fact it will be a revelation to all of us that evil lurks even in the spoken and written word that poisons the mind and the hearts of many. I will suggest we all wipe the board clean and reunite on bringing to light again the facts and with an open mind present them again to one another with out the circus performers and fame seekers.
Also if we look to all the other children recently taken and found (dead) could very well give us additional insight at this time (8+ months later) as to the truth in the statistics and the logical conclusion that HaLeigh's case demands.

 

[cyberborg]

To me, it is important to consider why Misty is not cracking and telling the truth on her part --- if her only crime is falling asleep or going out partying??

Misty has come under intense scrutiny and an immense amount of pressure and it has been having its intended impact because she sought to clear her name with TM. Why?

Why does Misty remain defiant and become even more inconsistent with her stories? Who is she afraid of? What is she afraid of? Why can't she tell something that adds up and provides a timeline to LE?

If TM is to be believed then it is clear that Ron has threatened Misty and her life --- the question is, is that because Ron will exact revenge if Misty has involvement in HaLeigh's demise or, if Misty goes down then Ron does too --- so to protect Ron.

To me this is not a complex case with all sorts of conspiracy theories and people planning and researching how to get into the MH and take HaLeigh. Why risk entering the home when there are opportunities, many opportunities to snatch HaLeigh out playing or on the street. A LOT easier and a LOT safer.

Who in their right mind is going to risk breaking into the MH, brick the door and, turn on the light in the hope that Misty is drugged out versus picking HaLeigh off. Misty is a fighter!!!!

The real answer is always simple and obvious and sad.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I wouldn't call falling asleep a crime.

 

[cyberborg]

I wouldn't call falling asleep a crime.

I completely agree so why not provide a credible verifiable complete accounting and fully cooperate with LE?

 

[Flossie JMO]

I am sad that there still seems to be a double-standard on this thread so I have refrained from posting. While posters of theories that suggest the involvement of Misty, Ron, TN etc are challenged for facts to support them -- it seems that opinions that someone abducted HaLeigh take precedence and do not need to adopt the same standard.

Given the lack of facts, to me, theories are very much plausible opinions and an abduction by extended family or stranger is every as bit as much of an opinion as Misty being directly involved and being the key to the LE investigation.

I completely understand that this case is VERY very very frustrating but we seem to have evolved back to basing discussion on our beliefs, positions and, how we personally feel about actors rather than un-biasedly debating the theories equally and fairly.

I respect those that believe or want to believe that HaLeigh is out there being held captive and alive as do I respect those (likeTM) who believe or want to believe HaLeigh died at the hands of her more immediate family, either by accident, overdose or, abuse.

Lets not knock down one set of theories demanding facts and links unless we hold ourselves to the exact same standard.

I am going back to lurking.

bbm, what kind of facts are you looking for? JMO it seems the "HaLeigh is dead" theories are the ones based on no facts at all. Other theories seem to have more facts, although I don't think they are required in this topic.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I completely agree so why not provide a credible verifiable complete accounting and fully cooperate with LE?

I'm not convinced she didn't/doesn't. We don't know what they believe shows her story is not 100% true.

 

[texasmommy39]

I completely agree so why not provide a credible verifiable complete accounting and fully cooperate with LE?

How clearer can I was asleep be? I also would say this expectation is of all that are called family to HaLeigh. IMO the lack of a few crediable verifiable alibis are what is hindering this investigation. If Misty's was the only one that was in question then I would expect an arrest of Misty and all other family members to be cleared by LE at this time (8+ months later)

 

[curvecuti]

To me, it is important to consider why Misty is not cracking and telling the truth on her part --- if her only crime is falling asleep or going out partying??

Misty has come under intense scrutiny and an immense amount of pressure and it has been having its intended impact because she sought to clear her name with TM. Why?

Why does Misty remain defiant and become even more inconsistent with her stories? Who is she afraid of? What is she afraid of? Why can't she tell something that adds up and provides a timeline to LE?

If TM is to be believed then it is clear that Ron has threatened Misty and her life --- the question is, is that because Ron will exact revenge if Misty has involvement in HaLeigh's demise or, if Misty goes down then Ron does too --- so to protect Ron.

To me this is not a complex case with all sorts of conspiracy theories and people planning and researching how to get into the MH and take HaLeigh. Why risk entering the home when there are opportunities, many opportunities to snatch HaLeigh out playing or on the street. A LOT easier and a LOT safer.
Who in their right mind is going to risk breaking into the MH, brick the door and, turn on the light in the hope that Misty is drugged out versus picking HaLeigh off. Misty is a fighter!!!!

The real answer is always simple and obvious and sad.

And alot more people that may see the person doing the snatching. I think it would be much more likely that no one would see you in the dead of night when the Dad is at work, neighbors and the others in the home are asleep.

 

[cyberborg]

TM has a spent a LOT of quality time with Misty and Ron, he has invested a lot of hours and money as well. He even tried to add our undercover momma to get to the truth and help break the case.

TM has recently called out Misty and sounds very frustrated. TES has basically walked away from this case to focus on those more deserved families that do want to cooperate and work to finding their missing loved one.

TM is noted for calling a spade a spade.

That speaks volumes and the rest is just distraction and well-intended hope.

We all wanted Caylee to be Alive, to choose to believe in the sightings and hype rather than believe the worst. Myself included.

The phenomena exists in the HaLeigh case as well. There is no forensics or anything at all to suggest that HaLeigh is deceased ... and so LE are never going to make any statement despite their fears, likewise there is no proof or evidence that HaLeigh is alive.

TM was the voice of reason in the Caylee case who spoke out and tried to get the A's to face the reality they needed to search for Caylee's remains, ditto here sadly .... the searches are for dump locations not homes raided.