Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[Malesherbes]

Okay try this on for size. We know she said she woke around "3" so she gets up goes to the kitchen see the door blah, blah, blah. How long does that take? A minute, maybe, so she runs back, to get her phone, and see Haleigh missing. Now her phone didn't turn on until 3:10 ro 3:15 depending where you read. So for 10 minutes she is looking for Haleigh and then calls one of her brothers, not 911 or Ron.

10 minutes, it doesn't take that long to search that MH. Then Ron comes home at 3:24 thats 14 minutes later, still no 911 call.

so do this, watch the clock and know in your mind, Haleigh is missing....

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keep going, it's a looooonnnnng time. While a child is gone, you wait, what are you doing?

Well, we are fortunate right now to have another 911 call made from Misty, in the heat of a panic, she got robbed, she was traumatized- When a human being, a little child goes missing, she is pretty calm, listen to her voice when she asks about the numerical number in the address, it totally throws her off, I am sure she had been going over possible questions they may ask her when she did call 911- and when shes asked something shes not prepared for, imo, you can really tell-

This is just a huge staged hoax and has been from the get go-

jmo

 

[curvecuti]

Okay try this on for size. We know she said she woke around "3" so she gets up goes to the kitchen see the door blah, blah, blah. How long does that take? A minute, maybe, so she runs back, to get her phone, and see Haleigh missing. Now her phone didn't turn on until 3:10 ro 3:15 depending where you read. So for 10 minutes she is looking for Haleigh and then calls one of her brothers, not 911 or Ron.

10 minutes, it doesn't take that long to search that MH. Then Ron comes home at 3:24 thats 14 minutes later, still no 911 call.

so do this, watch the clock and know in your mind, Haleigh is missing....

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keep going, it's a looooonnnnng time. While a child is gone, you wait, what are you doing?

I think alot of the time parents are scared of looking silly and they wait to report the child missing. I know my little girl wandered off in the store once (this happens in a heartbeat) and I was panic stricken, I found her fairly quickly but my first thought was not to report it to someone, it was to find her. Which really is a mistake, but people don't want to look silly, I think, and we lose valuable time that way. IMO.

 

[Malesherbes]

I must ask since we are now working hard on theories if anyone has heard of friends of the families being questioned? Also has anyone sleuthed out any RSO in any of these families, not alleged but convicted?

I havent heard anything. I think with what we factually know about Misty lying and failing tests and whatnot, and the fact she was last in charge of the now missing child, a lot of the sleuthing leads back directly towards her and shes pretty much the main focus, LE basically has said that-

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Treated lumber, mildewed and not pressure washed regularly looks like the ramp coming from the side of the mh. Especially if it's not regularly maintained with weatherproofing treatments like Thompsons water seal products.

If it was bleached pressure washed the natural looking treatment would be noticeable. I have two decks one looks like the ramp, the one attached to my back house is treated, with stains mixed in to give it the orangy brown color tint inside the weather proofing oils. I have to do it twice a year to maintain that look after pressuring washing with bleach to clean off the black green mildew. I also have plenty of sun on the back, so that doesn't matter.

A side thought, it takes sun to produce algae, learned that owning a swimming pool. My deck attached to my once owned pool, I don't treat anymore, and it looks like the ramp coming up from my creek into an empty spot where the pool was.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm still just trying to figure out if the heavier interior door closed on it's own how Misty could have readily seen that the outer storm door was propped open in the first place? :waitasec:

When questioned re this someone (can't recall, GGMS or maybe TN?) mentioned laundry was "always on the floor," in that back entry, suggesting this could have prevented the heavier interior door from closing all the way. :waitasec:

Ok folks which is it?

Is this a door that is seldom if ever in use, and always kept deadbolted from the inside?

Or is this a door used to carry trash out (ie frequently, we take our's out daily, there are only three of us--and that's not including all our separate recycling) and may have had laundry jamming the doorway, which he needed to check on a daily basis before leaving for work and she to routinely doublecheck before she went to bed to be certain it was locked?

arrot:

I've also pointed out in the past that with four people in the house, taking out the trash would probably be on a daily basis. Also, I have always wondering how many ciggarett butts are on the ground around that ramp. And whose butts were they? I can't see Misty doing laundry and not smoking at that doorway. And why would Ron say that he locks it everyday prior to going to work, if it is seldom used?

 

[Malesherbes]

I've also pointed out in the past that with four people in the house, taking out the trash would probably be on a daily basis. Also, I have always wondering how many ciggarett butts are on the ground around that ramp. And whose butts were they? I can't see Misty doing laundry and not smoking at that doorway. And why would Ron say that he locks it everyday prior to going to work, if it is seldom used?

And its not that it wasn't seldom used, he even went and got a new lock on this door when he moved in, which I find highly responsible. However, I think Ron had fears of getting robbed because he was involved with nefarious activities. I think he was protecting something in that house, and it wasn't just the kids- jmo

 

[debs]

Well they moved in the MH in November, so that is winter here. But sure, she may have brought pots and soil when she moved in with Ron. She could have stored them under the stairs, just mentioning it. It could be they were starter pots for pot, but it could go the other way too. I grow herbs, basil, thyme, rosemary. So yes, she could have been doing that too, as she cooks. She is probably like many of us who like fresh herbs when cooking. I love them.

Now you're just trying to make me laugh. Misty planting her own herbs? She fixed Mac and Cheese for the kids. I'm thinking that was complex for her.

 

[Skully]

I've also pointed out in the past that with four people in the house, taking out the trash would probably be on a daily basis. Also, I have always wondering how many ciggarett butts are on the ground around that ramp. And whose butts were they? I can't see Misty doing laundry and not smoking at that doorway. And why would Ron say that he locks it everyday prior to going to work, if it is seldom used?

That's the snag right there, you don't have to lock a locked door if you don't use it. It stays locked.

 

[elle1919]

Bern, I could be wrong but I seem to remember an FBI agent on NG stating that DNA is not likely to be picked up on a cinder block that had been picked up unless there was skin tissue left behind. I guess you would have to scratch or scrape your hands before they could find enough to test. IDK though.

Morning Baz, there was an episode of Nancy grace and Dr. Perper was her guest that evening and he said that since the brick was a porous surface it might be possible to get touch DNA, skin cells etc..from the block. I have picked up one of those things more than once and they are definitely capable of pulling off a few skin cells. lol. As far as lifting a fingerprint from the cement surface, I think that would have been much more difficult. I know I posted the interview with Dr Perper on the cinder block thread itself.

 

[curvecuti]

That's the snag right there, you don't have to lock a locked door if you don't use it. It stays locked.

But wouldn't you still make sure it was locked? I can not sleep at night unless I glance at my doors to make sure they are locked. Even the front door that we never use. It was unlocked once when I checked, hubby had opened it for a UPS delivery and did not lock it back when he closed it. I am compelled to make sure they are locked.

 

[crisnnan98]

I would hope he/she wasn't doing that alone, given the dynamics of juggling a brick while in a wheelchair, hovering on a ramp that looks to be easily at a 30* angle. That would be more excitement than anyone would want!

I would think that they would have just left it propped open all the time.

 

[debs]

I would think that they would have just left it propped open all the time.

Yeah. Or had it removed.

 

[Donjeta]

I think alot of the time parents are scared of looking silly and they wait to report the child missing. I know my little girl wandered off in the store once (this happens in a heartbeat) and I was panic stricken, I found her fairly quickly but my first thought was not to report it to someone, it was to find her. Which really is a mistake, but people don't want to look silly, I think, and we lose valuable time that way. IMO.

That's very possible. It happened to me too, my child wandered out of sight at the playground and I didn't call LE right away like I should have. I asked the people nearby to help me look and went searching for her myself. It was thankfully just a couple of minutes until I got a call from someone who had found her trying to get home alone but that would have been precious minutes lost if it was a pervert who snatched her.

I know she looked under the beds. What did Misty do in order to find her the rest of the time?

 

[crisnnan98]

It was discussed way back in the early threads. IIRC there was even a name mentioned but it escapes me now. Something with a J in it? Supposedly he was the previous renter and the reverend's parents had died some time earlier.

That's interesting. I never heard about a SO living there.

 

[crisnnan98]

Yeah. Or had it removed.

No, not removed. A neighbor was interviewed and said that the elderly couple that lived there used to prop it open like that for the wheelchair.

 

[debs]

No, not removed. A neighbor was interviewed and said that the elderly couple that lived there used to prop it open like that for the wheelchair.

No, i know that. What I was suggesting was that, because I'm naturally lazy, I'd have just had the darn thing removed so I wouldn't have to bother at all. That's how I roll.

 

[Skully]

Now you're just trying to make me laugh. Misty planting her own herbs? She fixed Mac and Cheese for the kids. I'm thinking that was complex for her.

Caught me, ya that was a joke.....I don't think she was storing starter plants and pots under the steps. JMO, LOL

 

[Donjeta]

I would say first you need to know what time the alleged crime was committed before you can clear people of being part of them. That is IMO what has held this investigation in stagnation no clear timeline to identify exactly who's alibi doesn't hold water. Just MO

Right, LE has identified the lack of a clear timeline from Misty as one of the stumbling blocks here but if it was a problem just because of the alibis of other people they could probably find some people who were elsewhere the whole day and night and it wouldn't matter if Haleigh went missing at 5 pm., 10 pm. or 2.30 am, as far as their alibis were concerned. The lack of a precise time for the disappearance didn't keep them from clearing the AC guy so he may have been firmly elsewhere for the whole period of time.

IMO the lack of a clear timeline from Misty is a major biggy because it indicates she's lying and Haleigh didn't go missing like she says.

 

[Skully]

But wouldn't you still make sure it was locked? I can not sleep at night unless I glance at my doors to make sure they are locked. Even the front door that we never use. It was unlocked once when I checked, hubby had opened it for a UPS delivery and did not lock it back when he closed it. I am compelled to make sure they are locked.

I guess the point I am trying to make is; They can't have it both ways. Either you never use the door, you use it to take trash out, or vacuum the car, or you can't get out it because cloths are piled up so high the door won't open. If you never use it, I don't think he checked it EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. But if you do use it, maybe he did check it, but that night he forgot. Or Misty went out it, and didn't lock it behind her. The whole point of them saying that was to put blame somewhere else. They are responsible people and they always keep the door locked. Not!

 

[Skully]

Right, LE has identified the lack of a clear timeline from Misty as one of the stumbling blocks here but if it was a problem just because of the alibis of other people they could probably find some people who were elsewhere the whole day and night and it wouldn't matter if Haleigh went missing at 5 pm., 10 pm. or 2.30 am, as far as their alibis were concerned. The lack of a precise time for the disappearance didn't keep them from clearing the AC guy so he may have been firmly elsewhere for the whole period of time.

IMO the lack of a clear timeline from Misty is a major biggy because it indicates she's lying and Haleigh didn't go missing like she says.

I agree, until she tells where she was, or what she was doing; everybody is suspect, SO, family, everybody. And LE can't get a clear direction to go in, so they can investigate this. They don't know.