Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #4

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Concerning another search, Elle, IDK. It seems highly unlikely unless they knew where to look. No one even knows what clothing to look for. If deceased, the body is gone and the bones are all but buried. That's my opinion though and it is very gracious that some organization wants to step up to the plate and give it a try. I hope they find her.
 
I believe in miracles, I also believe that Haleigh will be found.
 
Is there a link to this fact? I have never heard anything from Haleigh's bus driver. TIA!

while I don't presume to speak for Bluesky, but since this is the THEORY THREAD, I don't believe links are required..by the mods anyway.
 
Could it be possible that JO was in the car with misty at the bus stop. They left there and headed towards buffalo bluff road and it was said,though not verified, that rc chased her down. Did an event happen at that time. Were they chased off the road and got the damage? Did the fight happen on the road out there and NOT at the MH?
.......imagination is in overdrive about now

BINGO I have thought that for the longest...JMO
 
Story about Ron telling her to look in the culvert for the gun could very well be a lie but that is what she stated during the LVA test that she took..
She also talks about blood and states she doesn't know what kind of blood may have been in the van but she knows for certain that deer blood was in the van because she saw the deer...

For the record I have thought for many months now that Haleigh was shot accidentally due to Ron C playing BILLY BAD AZZ with a gun...JMO

bbm~

you know I have thought about that, but always 'assumed' that someone would have heard gunshots..but maybe not? Remember the talk about the loud car? I wonder if it was just loud or if it backfired? But then again, if that happened in the MH, there would have been plenty of DNA, no matter how hard they cleaned. On that note, do we know whether LE ever luminoled the MH? .

IF the MH is the scene of the crime..sigh..
IDK, more questions and a fried brain..:banghead:
The very thought of this horrifies me..don't know why more so than some other scenarios do, but it does. :(
 
bbm~

you know I have thought about that, but always 'assumed' that someone would have heard gunshots..but maybe not? Remember the talk about the loud car? I wonder if it was just loud or if it backfired? But then again, if that happened in the MH, there would have been plenty of DNA, no matter how hard they cleaned. On that note, do we know whether LE ever luminoled the MH? .
IF the MH is the scene of the crime..sigh..
IDK, more questions and a fried brain..:banghead:
The very thought of this horrifies me..don't know why more so than some other scenarios do, but it does. :(

I don't know but one would hope they would have... IMHO..I do not believe the incident occurred at the MH. I lean toward an altercation between Ron C and Misty or Ron C and someone else that happened not too long after Haleigh got off that school bus. JMO
 
Whisperer

you were looking for a map about the trail... this is the best i could find. copied the post from the photos map thread


Tracking dog route from 1st police report

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Dogs went to the pond first, then the outbuilding, then followed a route north of the home (assuming the long driveway), left onto Monroe left onto and around Buchanan Circle, right onto Monroe, pass-thru redacted, right onto Buffalo Bluff and end at railroad crossing (yellow route).

The red route is an alternative route from Monroe to Buffalo Bluff.

Given the location for Mr. Johns, I am wondering if the route followed by the dogs was through his yard, and the redacted portion says something to the effect that they passed through the yard of a known sex offender?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=768&pictureid=6213
 
According to that map, it looks like they walked right through that dirt road between the thick trees that lies between Green lane and buchanan circle. It is named tyler on some maps I've seen. I don't see a pond but is that the area where the docks are located? I know there must be a pond but it is not visible.

My other thought is could the dogs followed the scent in reverse? IOW, she was picked up at the bus stop because the bus stop looks like the exact place the trail ends.

As far as I know, the redacted portion was the Croslin house as I recall seeing a version that wasn't blacked out. For some reason they didn't want to say the dogs walked passed that address. For all we know that may not have been the truth, becasue anymore I am very leary of everything we have heard. I am convinced the facts presented by the players did not occur in the order or even the day they told us it happened.

The SO you are referencing lives on the corner of Monroe and Tyler, I think. I thought that was the place rc lived at one time but cannot verify. According to your map, Johns live further down on Monroe. I will check and see if the addy is still up.
 
the map you gave is correct regarding Johns. He lives at Buchanan Circle and Monroe..one block down from Tyler
 
Could it be possible that JO was in the car with misty at the bus stop. They left there and headed towards buffalo bluff road and it was said,though not verified, that rc chased her down. Did an event happen at that time. Were they chased off the road and got the damage? Did the fight happen on the road out there and NOT at the MH?

.......imagination is in overdrive about now

This has been a possible theory I have thought about, too.
Damage to the van-Chelsea stated she did not notice it-Lindsy said she noticed it soon after Haleigh's disappearance when (I assume) the van was driven to Tyler after Chelsea was called about Haleigh. Lindsy then called Chelsea to ask about the damage-Chelsea said she did not do it.

It's a possibility Haleigh may not of been properly secured and hit her head if there was an accident. No immediate signs of injury. When Misty described the Monday evening activities in one of the TM tests she stated Haleigh was riding her bike and (paraphrasing) "she was fine then". This statement has bothered me. Why wouldn't she be fine? Later on Haleigh could of been acting funny,(think Natasha Richardson) Misty noticed and called Ron or TN or AS. AS and Aunt
Elisa (who had a RN license-expired 7/08) were reported by Misty as being there that evening. I think this fact was not to be revealed and it wasn't until a week or so after Haleigh disappeared when the talk started flying about Misty not being home all night so AS stepped in and gave her an alibi. Didn't TN admit to calling AS and asking her to go to Green Lane with the reason being to take clothes to them?

Haleigh could have passed away and we all know what happens when death occurs explaining why the blanket would need to be washed. They all leave Green Lane and well, you know. Misty was told to turn her phone off so it wouldn't ping elsewhere. Jr. was told Haleigh was sick and sleeping and they were taking her to the dr. They don't want LE involved because Ron is responsible for the accident and could lose Jr. By this time TN has Misty and Jr. with her and drop them off at Green Lane, stage the scene, wait on Ron and call 911. Jr. sleeps through everything but is woken up when he hears Ron yelling. TN waits nearby, RC calls her and she arrives. She calls AS and she arrives.

That would explain why Haleigh never had pj's on-she never went to bed! What she was wearing was an overlooked detail in the planning. Misty does not know that Haleigh was not wearing the pink shirt (because she is not the one who removed it or put it where it was found) or forgets. Ron is upset and punches the door/wall whatever, I've heard both stories. The 20 phone calls to Misty and the call to Tommy was to set them up or maybe Ron called Tommy and asked him to remove anything he did not want LE to find from the home.

Ron denies Joe's presence at the home and the gun fight because he is part of the reason for Haleigh's fate and Ron doesn't want him linked to it but TN and Misty aren't filled in on this detail, that is why they stated it did happen, even Misty's parents did an interview blaming Joe, repeating the gun theft and Joe's threat to get even with Ron.

I think Tommy has an idea on who is responsible for what happened to Haleigh but doesn't know a lot of details. It's possible he didn't tell LE about Ron's phone call or his visit to the Green Lane home because Ron threatened him or paid him off in some way to keep his mouth shut. Ron denies asking Tommy to go to Green Lane (he denies everything except for he was at work) he only states he called to ask if Misty was there. It is not known if Tommy called Ron back or Ron called Tommy back after Tommy went to Green Lane house. I think there is no return phone call because Ron already knew Misty was not home and the only reason Tommy went there was to get rid of "stuff" and Ron does not want that known. After the incident in Welaka with Tommy and Ron's arrest I think Ron was scared Tommy was mad enough at him (for treating his sister bad) to spill the beans so Ron did the rat incident. The Saturday after the rat incident when Det. Merchant went to Welaka to speak to Ron AS stated Ron and Misty were in St. Augustine. (stated in police report) Not long after that it was known that that is where Ron's attorney is located-I can't recall right off if that is where Misty's lawyer is located, too.

Ron's first lawyer (Kimball) was no longer representing him. I believe that Ron and Misty were thinking Tommy was going to spill the beans and implicate them in Haleigh's disappearance so they retained lawyers right away. Does anyone know if Shoemaker is representing Ron pro-bono or not? Something Tommy said to Ron that night in Welaka made Ron go after him after AS had broken up the fight and Ron went inside. I have a very good idea what it was. I wouldn't be surprised if Ron threatened to hurt Misty or Tommy's children if Tommy tells and Ron finds out about it. I think Tommy wants to tell what he knows and it is possible he already has. I also think this is why there has also been a drastic change in him since Feb. It is eating away at him.

I don't put much into the dog scent trail because of the way the blankets were handled and the wind. The scent picked up could have belonged to someone else. I am not clear on what was used for the dogs to get the original scent, if it was bedding Ron slept on it could of been his scent the dogs picked, maybe he has walked to the river, Haleigh could have even been with him. Haleigh's scent the dogs picked up away from the river could of been from her taking a walk or riding her bike around the neighborhood.

One problem I have with this theory is that if an auto accident did happen I would think there would be witnesses who saw the accident unless they were in a secluded area.

This is just a theory I have based on people's certain actions, known facts gathered etc, etc.
 
According to that map, it looks like they walked right through that dirt road between the thick trees that lies between Green lane and buchanan circle. It is named tyler on some maps I've seen. I don't see a pond but is that the area where the docks are located? I know there must be a pond but it is not visible.

My other thought is could the dogs followed the scent in reverse? IOW, she was picked up at the bus stop because the bus stop looks like the exact place the trail ends.

As far as I know, the redacted portion was the Croslin house as I recall seeing a version that wasn't blacked out. For some reason they didn't want to say the dogs walked passed that address. For all we know that may not have been the truth, becasue anymore I am very leary of everything we have heard. I am convinced the facts presented by the players did not occur in the order or even the day they told us it happened.

The SO you are referencing lives on the corner of Monroe and Tyler, I think. I thought that was the place rc lived at one time but cannot verify. According to your map, Johns live further down on Monroe. I will check and see if the addy is still up.

BBM-Tyler Street ends where it dead ends at Monroe. There is a stop sign there and the property owner has a locked fence there. That is a 6 acre parcel between Green and Buchanan. The map is wrong. There is a driveway to the home on the property on Buchanan. The path the dogs took was where Green Lane ends and goes to the river. I'm not real clear where the pond is, it could be they were referring to the river or there could be a pond we can't see from an aerial view because of the trees.

You are correct the scent ends at the bus stop.
 
This has been a possible theory I have thought about, too.
Damage to the van-Chelsea stated she did not notice it-Lindsy said she noticed it soon after Haleigh's disappearance when (I assume) the van was driven to Tyler after Chelsea was called about Haleigh. Lindsy then called Chelsea to ask about the damage-Chelsea said she did not do it.

It's a possibility Haleigh may not of been properly secured and hit her head if there was an accident. No immediate signs of injury. When Misty described the Monday evening activities in one of the TM tests she stated Haleigh was riding her bike and (paraphrasing) "she was fine then". This statement has bothered me. Why wouldn't she be fine? Later on Haleigh could of been acting funny,(think Natasha Richardson) Misty noticed and called Ron or TN or AS. AS and Aunt
Elisa (who had a RN license-expired 7/08) were reported by Misty as being there that evening. I think this fact was not to be revealed and it wasn't until a week or so after Haleigh disappeared when the talk started flying about Misty not being home all night so AS stepped in and gave her an alibi. Didn't TN admit to calling AS and asking her to go to Green Lane with the reason being to take clothes to them?

Haleigh could have passed away and we all know what happens when death occurs explaining why the blanket would need to be washed. They all leave Green Lane and well, you know. Misty was told to turn her phone off so it wouldn't ping elsewhere. Jr. was told Haleigh was sick and sleeping and they were taking her to the dr. They don't want LE involved because Ron is responsible for the accident and could lose Jr. By this time TN has Misty and Jr. with her and drop them off at Green Lane, stage the scene, wait on Ron and call 911. Jr. sleeps through everything but is woken up when he hears Ron yelling. TN waits nearby, RC calls her and she arrives. She calls AS and she arrives.

That would explain why Haleigh never had pj's on-she never went to bed! What she was wearing was an overlooked detail in the planning. Misty does not know that Haleigh was not wearing the pink shirt (because she is not the one who removed it or put it where it was found) or forgets. Ron is upset and punches the door/wall whatever, I've heard both stories. The 20 phone calls to Misty and the call to Tommy was to set them up or maybe Ron called Tommy and asked him to remove anything he did not want LE to find from the home.

Ron denies Joe's presence at the home and the gun fight because he is part of the reason for Haleigh's fate and Ron doesn't want him linked to it but TN and Misty aren't filled in on this detail, that is why they stated it did happen, even Misty's parents did an interview blaming Joe, repeating the gun theft and Joe's threat to get even with Ron.

I think Tommy has an idea on who is responsible for what happened to Haleigh but doesn't know a lot of details. It's possible he didn't tell LE about Ron's phone call or his visit to the Green Lane home because Ron threatened him or paid him off in some way to keep his mouth shut. Ron denies asking Tommy to go to Green Lane (he denies everything except for he was at work) he only states he called to ask if Misty was there. It is not known if Tommy called Ron back or Ron called Tommy back after Tommy went to Green Lane house. I think there is no return phone call because Ron already knew Misty was not home and the only reason Tommy went there was to get rid of "stuff" and Ron does not want that known. After the incident in Welaka with Tommy and Ron's arrest I think Ron was scared Tommy was mad enough at him (for treating his sister bad) to spill the beans so Ron did the rat incident. The Saturday after the rat incident when Det. Merchant went to Welaka to speak to Ron AS stated Ron and Misty were in St. Augustine. (stated in police report) Not long after that it was known that that is where Ron's attorney is located-I can't recall right off if that is where Misty's lawyer is located, too.

Ron's first lawyer (Kimball) was no longer representing him. I believe that Ron and Misty were thinking Tommy was going to spill the beans and implicate them in Haleigh's disappearance so they retained lawyers right away. Does anyone know if Shoemaker is representing Ron pro-bono or not? Something Tommy said to Ron that night in Welaka made Ron go after him after AS had broken up the fight and Ron went inside. I have a very good idea what it was. I wouldn't be surprised if Ron threatened to hurt Misty or Tommy's children if Tommy tells and Ron finds out about it. I think Tommy wants to tell what he knows and it is possible he already has. I also think this is why there has also been a drastic change in him since Feb. It is eating away at him.

I don't put much into the dog scent trail because of the way the blankets were handled and the wind. The scent picked up could have belonged to someone else. I am not clear on what was used for the dogs to get the original scent, if it was bedding Ron slept on it could of been his scent the dogs picked, maybe he has walked to the river, Haleigh could have even been with him. Haleigh's scent the dogs picked up away from the river could of been from her taking a walk or riding her bike around the neighborhood.

One problem I have with this theory is that if an auto accident did happen I would think there would be witnesses who saw the accident unless they were in a secluded area.

This is just a theory I have based on people's certain actions, known facts gathered etc, etc.


I agree with quite a few things you have stated, however I believe more is involved than Haleigh just not being properly secured and hitting her head in a car accident....And their being no immediate signs of injury..JMO
 
Warning long post. I am awake and waiting for banana bread to finish.

Since the scent ends at the bus stop, is it possible that they tracked her last day going to school....but wait a minute....misty said rc and her drove her to the classroom. This makes absolutely no sense because others saw him driving recklessly at the bus stop. witnesses may get their days mixed if they are not questioned right away.

ugh! you know this is getting way to crazy. Deer blood ,blankets, barges arriving for rc to work late, cells turned off. deadbolts opened with no marks, drugs, guns, cinder blocks on ramp..renter never saw it/them before and there is a stack in his yard. No release of who drives what vehicle...a boat was impounded and to top it off LE wants all who say Haleigh that weekend to take a POLY. They also want to go back a month in time. RC doesn't like that part.

We have TN saying she sent a "family member" over to check on the kids...WHY couldn't she say mother. RC says he used a friend's boat...why couldn't he say his granny's. What's with these people. They always seem to be conniving or trying to pull one over on people. I believe with all my heart that LE is really p.od at TN. I don't think they choose to deal with her at all. She does not appear to be trustworthy.

To top it off Sykes says she was there also deliviring laundry...yeah, right. We recently found out she had company in the car with her...Eliza. That would be her brother donald's (TN;s brother, Sykes son) ex, right?

Another thing that bugs me about the night in question is Misty's words to Ron. He came home and she is standing in the doorway saying, "Your back door is open and your daughter is gone." A few minutes later she is claiming Haleigh as her daughter to 911. I suggest she was distancing herself from the child and that she knows and may have harmed Haleigh herself. Both of these two would benefit from a psych work-up.

My problemm lies with rc acceptin her unconditionally....that is just too weird. He is either involved at some level or has serious mental issues because no normal person would marry the person who may have harmed or lost your child. A normal person would be highly suspicious.
 
s far as I am concerned ron cummings has held up this investigation. He has resisted talking. He harbored misty and he hides behind Granny and lawyers. Misty has been more open but does not elaborate. She speaks not on her own but from what others have told her or she hears them saying....like a puppet.

DCF is doing nothing. Proscecutors are dragging their feet with rc and intimidaiton. Did they at least take away the gun from rc or did rc run it back over to PLAYER'S HOUSE.

I have never met a hillbilly but I have listened to Jeff foxworthy. We could use him about now. He may be able to explain the whold darn thing. My next suggestion if to pay ron and get him on the Steve Wilkos Show. He may just straighten his azz up.
 
Warning long post. I am awake and waiting for banana bread to finish.

Since the scent ends at the bus stop, is it possible that they tracked her last day going to school....but wait a minute....misty said rc and her drove her to the classroom. This makes absolutely no sense because others saw him driving recklessly at the bus stop. witnesses may get their days mixed if they are not questioned right away.

ugh! you know this is getting way to crazy. Deer blood ,blankets, barges arriving for rc to work late, cells turned off. deadbolts opened with no marks, drugs, guns, cinder blocks on ramp..renter never saw it/them before and there is a stack in his yard. No release of who drives what vehicle...a boat was impounded and to top it off LE wants all who say Haleigh that weekend to take a POLY. They also want to go back a month in time. RC doesn't like that part.

We have TN saying she sent a "family member" over to check on the kids...WHY couldn't she say mother. RC says he used a friend's boat...why couldn't he say his granny's. What's with these people. They always seem to be conniving or trying to pull one over on people. I believe with all my heart that LE is really p.od at TN. I don't think they choose to deal with her at all. She does not appear to be trustworthy.

To top it off Sykes says she was there also deliviring laundry...yeah, right. We recently found out she had company in the car with her...Eliza. That would be her brother donald's ex, right?
Another thing that bugs me about the night in question is Misty's words to Ron. He came home and she is standing in the doorway saying, "Your back door is open and your daughter is gone." A few minutes later she is claiming Haleigh as her daughter to 911. I suggest she was distancing herself from the child and that she knows and may have harmed Haleigh herself. Both of these two would benefit from a psych work-up.

My problemm lies with rc acceptin her unconditionally....that is just too weird. He is either involved at some level or has serious mental issues because no normal person would marry the person who may have harmed or lost your child. A normal person would be highly suspicious.

Whisperer, I thought Donald was Annette's son and Teresa's brother..Am I wrong?
 
According to that map, it looks like they walked right through that dirt road between the thick trees that lies between Green lane and buchanan circle. It is named tyler on some maps I've seen. I don't see a pond but is that the area where the docks are located? I know there must be a pond but it is not visible.

My other thought is could the dogs followed the scent in reverse? IOW, she was picked up at the bus stop because the bus stop looks like the exact place the trail ends.

As far as I know, the redacted portion was the Croslin house as I recall seeing a version that wasn't blacked out. For some reason they didn't want to say the dogs walked passed that address. For all we know that may not have been the truth, becasue anymore I am very leary of everything we have heard. I am convinced the facts presented by the players did not occur in the order or even the day they told us it happened.

The SO you are referencing lives on the corner of Monroe and Tyler, I think. I thought that was the place rc lived at one time but cannot verify. According to your map, Johns live further down on Monroe. I will check and see if the addy is still up.

This was reported as the original narrative for the PCSO report prior to anything being redacted in the track route. The part I have bolded in red is the portion redacted on the actual report.

Original Haleigh Cummings case police narrative

Spelling and grammar as found on original report

Police initiateda track beginning at the back door and down a wooded path, as we travelled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be asmall child's footprint in the dirt. It should be noted that Ronald said Haleigh's shoes were still located inside the residence. The track lead up to a small pond and then back to the railroad crossing. At the last residence on the right side of the Green Drive was a small building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building but found no one insire
The track then continued past the north residence, where police made a left turn on Monroe Avenue. We made another left onto Buchan Circle, which we followed in a loop back to Monroe Avenue. We then made a left onto Tyler Street, and travelled past 116 Tyler, which is a location where Misty stated she had walked with Haleigh in the past. We then made a right turn on BUffalo Bluff Road to the railroad crossing, where we found were forced to end the track, because the canonwas unable to follow it any further.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609
 
Emeral....You are correct,,,I had just caught that when I reread just now. I should go to bed because I am ranting and not making any sense.....even worse than normal. Donald and teresa are siblings, children of Sykes. donald lives on Beecher Springs rd. He at one time had two houses there (his x may have one) A Sykes also had a house on that street.

Goodnight all. Hope we have good news by Monday..
 
Papa,

I think the plan was to get LE to look in that direction from the beginning. I posted my theory in the structured thread and it is on the same lines as Emerald. Calling Tommy and him going over, sets him up. Misty has pointed to Joe and Tommy from the beginning. When that didn't take, she pointed to CS and family. If the Croslins were involved she wouldn't throw them under the bus if they helped her that night. 20 calls to Misty is the alibi for RC. Tommy going over there was to give Misty her alibi, she was asleep, but that back fired on her. My theory works with the time line, it is tight if Ron helped her, but it could work. If he didn't, she had to have a vehicle to transport Haleigh and I don't know which one was used.

I always look forward to your posts!
 
Whisp, a snip of your post 413, "deadbolts opened with no marks" brought to mind a red flag for me from the beginning. Early on RC seemed to repeatedly promote the notion of a break in of the back door even though LE never waivered from their statements of no visible signs of forced entry.

February 10, 2009
"Somebody came in the back door, broke in the back door and stole my child while I was at work," says Cummings.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131043&catid=3

February 10, 2009
Mr. Cummings said when he came home he found signs of forced entry to his home, but investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said they didn't find anything to suggest a break-in.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=130972&catid=3

February 12, 2009
VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?

RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I'm not sure. You'll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I'm not sure.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html

How could anyone look at a door with NO marks of forced entry and state the door was broken into possibly using a crowbar? It does not require a forensic analyst to know that a crowbar would do serious damage to a mobile home's door.

I don't see any way these statements can be viewed as anything other than intentional misdirection.
 
Whisp, a snip of your post 413, "deadbolts opened with no marks" brought to mind a red flag for me from the beginning. Early on RC seemed to repeatedly promote the notion of a break in of the back door even though LE never waivered from their statements of no visible signs of forced entry.



How could anyone look at a door with NO marks of forced entry and state the door was broken into possibly using a crowbar? It does not require a forensic analyst to know that a crowbar would do serious damage to a mobile home's door.

I don't see any way these statements can be viewed as anything other than intentional misdirection.

We have been saying this from day one. I keep thinking that Misty was to do "more" on the staging but didn't do it. I think that is some of the anger on the 911 tape at her. I keep saying she is describing the wrong entrance that night. She says back door, but is describing the front. If you read the transcript and look at pictures of both entrances, while you read, you will see what I mean. She got confused and scared. I still think that the banging we hear is not just cabinets, it is the more cloths going into the washer or dryer.
 
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