Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #4

[LFlorida]

LFlorida, I was trying to leave WS and go to bed but had to comment on your post. I share your frustration on this issue. It really bothers me that TN and GGMS statements appear to be taken at face value and LE doesn't seem to question these two people at length like IMO, they should. I feel that they were all involved very intimately in the disappearance of Haleigh. I hope that LE will look into their activities prior to and during Haleigh's disappearance when they go back three days prior now.

LFlorida, I was trying to leave WS and go to bed but had to comment on your post. I share your frustration on this issue. It really bothers me that TN and GGMS statements appear to be taken at face value and LE doesn't seem to question these two people at length like IMO, they should. I feel that they were all involved very intimately in the disappearance of Haleigh. I hope that LE will look into their activities prior to and during Haleigh's disappearance when they go back three days prior now.

Lone and other readers,

Please, PLEASE, please do not assume that Teresa and Annette's statments are taken at face value by LE. And do not assume peeps in either family have not been questioned and questioned again. [I would refer you to the first 10 days' pressers where the task force spokesmen state at EVERY presser that they are continuing to question family members.]

Teresa showing up so conveniently in her ACSO sweater jacket was one of the first big tip-offs of PCSO that night, imo.

Ron's "just arrived home from werk" at 3:30 a.m. was yet another early tip-off, especially if he was actually fired on FRIDAY, not MONDAY. Plus everybody at PCSO knows somebody who werks at PDM and even if not, they see them leaving work at the end of their shifts. [PCSO HQ & PDM are pretty close, btw.] FWIW , there are 2 shifts period. [OK, 3 if you include adminstrative office's werk hours - 8 - 5 or something similary.]

lol - "Barge Running Late" - I've heard some entertaining stories trying to make Ron's werk hourd fit, but this one def takes the cake, imo. [Nothing personal to whoever came up with that, but things don't werk like that at PDM. I know all too well how things werk out there..

Per the bartender of many of many of the male players, "there's no big mystery about what happened to Haleigh, no mystery AT ALL" and "they know exactly what happened; they've just got to be willing to open their stupid mouths" and fess up. [Yes, that's probably YOUR favorite barkeep Lester and Donnie. You need to quit drinking apparently.]

<mebbe 3rd time will be a charm. 1st 2 times, my post went *poof*. Annoys me to no end. GRRRRRR....>

 

[LFlorida]

Perhaps Greenwood should start interviewing and drilling TN and GGMS about the case.. I feel certain they know as much as Misty, if not more...JMO

Sorry, eme, during my fight with the *poofer*, I guess I managed to quote someone else twice, but intended to multi-quote w/yours. I guess I need a class of how to use W/S.

;D

 

[LFlorida]

Perhaps Greenwood should start interviewing and drilling TN and GGMS about the case.. I feel certain they know as much as Misty, if not more...JMO

btw - does anybody know when Hancel became PIO instead of Greenwood? Know any background on him? Is he PDLE or promoted from within?

[REAL, not rhetorical quetions]

 

[LFlorida]

Perhaps Greenwood should start interviewing and drilling TN and GGMS about the case.. I feel certain they know as much as Misty, if not more...JMO

btw - does anybody know when Hancel became PIO instead of Greenwood? Know any background on him? Is he PDLE or promoted from within?

[REAL, not rhetorical quetions]

 

[Busylady]

I want to make sure I understand what you are saying.

LE is suspicious because TN had on work jacket when she went to the trailer that morning after LE arrived?

PDM and LE have mislead the public about when RC was fired from PDM?

The info stating there were pings from RC cell phone from PDM that night is not correct?

LE saying RC alibi checked out and he was at work is not truthful? Why would they lie about this instead of just saying no comment that is part of the investigation?

Donnie and Lester have told a bartender what happened to Haleigh? I hope this bartender has gone to LE with all this info.

This is just getting so confusing we have so little facts but we are being told we can't believe the initial incident report from LE because it may have been edited, we can't believe the attendance school records that have been released because they may have been altered, we can't believe LE saying RC was at work that night, we can't believe LE stating RC picked up Haleigh from the bus stop Monday aftertnoon, we can't believe PDM statement of when they fired RC, we can't believe the statement of RC staying until 3 am because there was enough work that night (will have to go back and check if this came from LE or from RC lawyers as I can't remember right now).

This is just so frustrating if we can't even take the little info that LE has given to us.

Lone and other readers,

Please, PLEASE, please do not assume that Teresa and Annette's statments are taken at face value by LE. And do not assume peeps in either family have not been questioned and questioned again. [I would refer you to the first 10 days' pressers where the task force spokesmen state at EVERY presser that they are continuing to question family members.]

Teresa showing up so conveniently in her ACSO sweater jacket was one of the first big tip-offs of PCSO that night, imo.

Ron's "just arrived home from werk" at 3:30 a.m. was yet another early tip-off, especially if he was actually fired on FRIDAY, not MONDAY. Plus everybody at PCSO knows somebody who werks at PDM and even if not, they see them leaving work at the end of their shifts. [PCSO HQ & PDM are pretty close, btw.] FWIW , there are 2 shifts period. [OK, 3 if you include adminstrative office's werk hours - 8 - 5 or something similary.]

lol - "Barge Running Late" - I've heard some entertaining stories trying to make Ron's werk hourd fit, but this one def takes the cake, imo. [Nothing personal to whoever came up with that, but things don't werk like that at PDM. I know all too well how things werk out there..

Per the bartender of many of many of the male players, "there's no big mystery about what happened to Haleigh, no mystery AT ALL" and "they know exactly what happened; they've just got to be willing to open their stupid mouths" and fess up. [Yes, that's probably YOUR favorite barkeep Lester and Donnie. You need to quit drinking apparently.]

<mebbe 3rd time will be a charm. 1st 2 times, my post went *poof*. Annoys me to no end. GRRRRRR....>

 

[StrayKat]

I usually read the messages and don't post, but thought I would like to post my take on a few points of this case. Is anyone still out there?

 

[LFlorida]

I want to make sure I understand what you are saying.

LE is suspicious because TN had on work jacket when she went to the trailer that morning after LE arrived?

YES, if they later called Sadie who gave them Teresa's dates of active employment. I dare say, it would make YOU suspicious, too, BL.

PDM and LE have mislead the public about when RC was fired from PDM?

When did LE say Ron got fired?

When did PDM say Ron got fired?

Anybody out there ever tell you about what Ron really did to get fired? It wasn't failure to return after Haleigh "went missing". I have at least a dozen witnesses to that incident. :]

The info stating there were pings from RC cell phone from PDM that night is not correct?

2 pings per LE, correct? Got any times related to those pings? tia

LE saying RC alibi checked out and he was at work is not truthful?

Check their wording precisely.

Why would they lie about this instead of just saying no comment that is part of the investigation?

When pinned down re: the werk hours, that's exactly what they have done. Except for Dickie Babe.

Donnie and Lester have told a bartender what happened to Haleigh? I hope this bartender has gone to LE with all this info.

Well, they aint that stupid. Bartenders tend to overhear bits and pieces, not whole convos, even when you're trying to talk to him or her. You're generally NOT their only customer. This bartender has a good working relationship w/LE, as most do.

This is just getting so confusing we have so little facts but we are being told we can't believe the initial incident report from LE because it may have been edited,

Aw, come on now, Busy. You really think that is the ENTIRE report from that night? It's not. I mean heck, even just the other LE mentioned on the page wrote reports that night. Are their reports included in the one we've been treated to on here? What about the other LE Supervisors and Brass that were there within the hour? Are those reports in there? I sure didn't see them but perhaps I viewed the wrong one. It would be this one?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/02/NGcasefiles/index.html

Well! Damm! MzNaynce Ain't Got One there, does she?

Let's try another place.

http://websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2690670

Don't see it there, either.

Where is that blasted thing?

we can't believe the attendance school records that have been released because they may have been altered, we can't believe LE saying RC was at work that night, we can't believe LE stating RC picked up Haleigh from the bus stop Monday aftertnoon, we can't believe PDM statement of when they fired RC, we can't believe the statement of RC staying until 3 am because there was enough work that night (will have to go back and check if this came from LE or from RC lawyers as I can't remember right now).

This is just so frustrating if we can't even take the little info that LE has given to us.

 

[LFlorida]

Because that's what the article indicates:

Investigators still feel Cummings holds the key to the case, Greenwood said. He added that they have spent hours interviewing her and take every opportunity to speak to her about the case.

Greenwood said

some new information has come to light about what happened in the days leading up to Haleigh's disappearance - as well as what happened the night she vanished.

However, he would not elaborate because he said he did not want to jeopardize the case.

So, imo, Johnnie never says what the new info is, nor who it pertains to. We just made that giant leap to Misty's weekend. Never mind the fact that we don't know where Ron & the kids were all weekend.

Even after the new info, they still claim that MC still holds the key to the case. Not my words, theirs.

Sooo she holds the key.

I won't even bother you with what I think that means, but the entire CART Team does, as does Tim Miller. [Prolly Teresa & Annette, too.]

 

[Busylady]

I didn't quote your response LFlorida for space. PDM is quoted in an article stating why RC was let go and when it happened and it was stated that LE was there during the shift change etc. I haven't heard anyone saying he was fired at a different time.

I know TN hasn't been working since 8/2008 IIRC as she has been on disability, but she would still be considered an employee.

I realize the incident report is not nearly anything complete, but IMO what is on the incident report that was released we should be able to consider as fact.

I listen to the press release and posted it and LE clearly states when asked if RC alibi checked out and the response is you mean he was at work, yes. So I took that as LE saying yes his alibi checked out.

I don't have the time of the pings, but my point was if RC was fired and not at work on Monday why would there be pings there?

I am sure there are tons and tons of info we have no clue about, my point was it is so frustrating that even the few facts we do seem to have are now being discounted as not being correct so we can't even use them.

 

[LFlorida]

Feel free to consider as fact or toss aside a bulls hit whatever you'd like, y'all.

I sure ain't Master of the Universe or anything.

LE saying "You mean he was at work? Yes.

Yes in fact he wuz at werk.

Not 8 hrs.
Not from 3:30 - 3:30.
Not from 5:00 - 3:00.

And I reckon y'all will just have to find a real live employee who was at work on Friday and Monday to hear the rest of the story. I wuz LUCKY because I know LOTS of PEEPS out there in the shop and in administration. But of course we're local, we're corrupt, we're inbred, we're ignorant,

so we don't know what the HAIL we're talking about.

I don't know why y'all'd listen to a dumass redneck like me to begin with.

Please do be kind enough to excuse the interruption. Please, pardon me.

 

[Whisperer]

Was TN injured on her job as dispatcher or was she injured in a car wreck.

............

 

[Whisperer]

I didn't quote your response LFlorida for space. PDM is quoted in an article stating why RC was let go and when it happened and it was stated that LE was there during the shift change etc. I haven't heard anyone saying he was fired at a different time.

I know TN hasn't been working since 8/2008 IIRC as she has been on disability, but she would still be considered an employee.

I realize the incident report is not nearly anything complete, but IMO what is on the incident report that was released we should be able to consider as fact.I listen to the press release and posted it and LE clearly states when asked if RC alibi checked out and the response is you mean he was at work, yes. So I took that as LE saying yes his alibi checked out.

I don't have the time of the pings, but my point was if RC was fired and not at work on Monday why would there be pings there?

I am sure there are tons and tons of info we have no clue about, my point was it is so frustrating that even the few facts we do seem to have are now being discounted as not being correct so we can't even use them.

BBM
Wrong...you should not consider it as fact when it relates to witnesses statements and their given info. They often lie when there is a crime involved. The only thing that are facts is what the officer can see with his own eyes. What he is told should not be considered the truth, in many cases, it is not.

 

[Whisperer]

Exactly under what circumstance is TN not working? Is her disability from a car wreck or from her job as a dispatcher.

I got the impression that she is most likely collecting worker's comp...no?

Could you please fill us in about the serious auto accident you spoke of, Busy?

 

[Whisperer]

Shoemaker had to be lying about rc's work hours. They make no sense.

LE could say he was at work. That does not mean he was there from the bus stop till 3:00am though. If so and verified, he would have been completely cleared.

 

[Busylady]

Can't provide links so take it for what it is worth.

IIRC in 8/08 (might be off on the exact month would have to dig thru papers) she was involved in a serious car accident and was placed on disability. There is a pending lawsuit regarding the accident in Alachua County.

Exactly under what circumstance is TN not working? Is her disability from a car wreck or from her job as a dispatcher.

I got the impression that she is most likely collecting worker's comp...no?

Could you please fill us in about the serious auto accident you spoke of, Busy?

 

[Whisperer]

So how does that qualify her to say she worked as a dispatcher since she is on disability for a car wreck?

BTW, I am not surprised at her filing a lawsuit. I also would not be surprised if she has two going on, one with the other driver and one with the county about her job.

Either way, I feel she deceived LE about her job. I also find it hinky that she wore the sweater with the sheriff's emblem..don't you..now that you know she hadn't worked for 6/7 months.

...one more point, the other day, you said her accident was in 07..clarify please.

 

[Whisperer]

You can't provide links because.............?

Did you just hear this information from a source or you have the paperwork and can't show it.

 

[Baznme]

So, imo, Johnnie never says what the new info is, nor who it pertains to. We just made that giant leap to Misty's weekend. Never mind the fact that we don't know where Ron & the kids were all weekend.



Sooo she holds the key.

I won't even bother you with what I think that means, but the entire CART Team does, as does Tim Miller. [Prolly Teresa & Annette, too.]

Do bother me with it....I would actually appreciate it. Maybe I'm wrong, but from the 3 short sentences, it indicated to me that they still feel Misty is the person that can shed the most light. As far as the new info.......they didn't share much, did they? I think I know how TM feels about it but I would love to know what you think, sooooo.........please bother me with that.

 

[Busylady]

When I brought up the accident in a previous post I was also discussing the tat on RC back and stated he got the Haleigh tat in 07 don't believe I stated the accident was in 07.

You can still be an employee while on disability you are not automatically terminated in fact I think there are laws in place so that doesnt happen. It appears that alot of Florida Counties have something called term leave that you earn and is used when you miss 40 consective hours or more, we have no idea how much vacation time, term leave, sick leave etc TN had earned as well as being able to use FMLA.

Not following you why there would be a lawsuit about her job. I also don't understand the big deal about wearing the sweater with the emblem on it. A dispatcher works in an office, if there was an issue with them wearing clothing with an emblem on it outside of work they wouldn't provide the jackets to them IMO.

So how does that qualify her to say she worked as a dispatcher since she is on disability for a car wreck?

BTW, I am not surprised at her filing a lawsuit. I also would not be surprised if she has two going on, one with the other driver and one with the county about her job.

Either way, I feel she deceived LE about her job. I also find it hinky that she wore the sweater with the sheriff's emblem..don't you..now that you know she hadn't worked for 6/7 months.

...one more point, the other day, you said her accident was in 07..clarify please.

 

[Busylady]

You can find the lawsuit on the county website. There is no news article that gives the details of the auto accident is why I said I could not provide a link.

You can't provide links because.............?

Did you just hear this information from a source or you have the paperwork and can't show it.