Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #4

[Emeralgem]

I still lean towards that whatever happened to HaLeigh is not the real crime, that being something accidental. If I'm correct, the real crime is in the coverup and Ron comes across as being a major player.

If he were totally innocent, why didn't he lay it all out? Look at me, talk to me, question me ... no he puts on his truck something about only God can judge me.

I agree, however I'm beginning to believe that this thinking is exactly WHY there have been so many lies and so many people covering for him, and I'm not excluding LE in this scenario either because to be quite honest, I'm baffled by their non action in this case for almost a year now.....
IMHO that mentality of this being just an unfortunate incident thus he should not have to be held responsible for what happened is WRONG thinking on everyone's part..JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

OK, we have talked about Ron's work hours and as far as I'm concerned, we still don't know Jack. What days of the week did Ron work? Was he on a rotating shift with different days off each week? What I'm getting at is where was Ron during the time that Misty was ran off? Was he scheduled to work? Did he show up for work? I want to know what Ron was doing. There is information on Misty's activities but nothing on what Ron was doing. Why? He has been accused of giving Misty's father a prescription drug and nearly killing him, arrested for assault, charged with road rage and threatening with a weapon...........does anyone think that Ron did not look for Misty on that infamous weekend? Or threaten anyone? Was he involved in any way in Hank Sr.'s accident? There are just too many unanswered questions. I really feel that Ron's activities during the time that he and Misty were apart and fighting are very important to this investigation. There has only been rumors of what Ron may have been involved in during this time. I hope that LE has dug into these rumors and are on to what has happened to Haleigh.

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree, however I'm beginning to believe that this thinking is exactly WHY there have been so many lies and so many people covering for him, and I'm not excluding LE in this scenario either because to be quite honest, I'm baffled by their non action in this case for almost a year now.....
IMHO that mentality of this being just an unfortunate incident thus he should not have to be held responsible for what happened is WRONG thinking on everyone's part..JMO

Well Emeralgem I tend to agree with you all the time now. I have always thought that Ron did something to Haleigh in an enraged state of mind. I don't call that an accident. I think that all the attention that has been given to Misty's actions have been a bit short. I think that focus needs to be put on what Ron was doing the days and the nights prior to Haleigh's disappearance as well as the morning of her disappearance. Misty may be the key, but IMO only if she knows what happened and she is keeping quiet to protect Ron and in turn protecting herself. This would explain why Ron is always up her butt and is "afraid" for her to be alone for too long. I think he feels that he has to "remind" her of consequences if she suddenly developes a memory and a conscience. We need to know what Ron's activities were prior and during this case.

 

[titanfan62702]

I was just going back through some of the original coverage on News4Jax.com. GGS, in giving a tour of the home, points out the master bath to the reporter and says "this is where Misty was when she noticed Haleigh was gone". Unless I've missed it already discussed, this is a new scenario for me. I'd heard:

1. MC got up to get a drink and when she got in the kitchen and saw the back door open, she went back to the bedroom to call RC

2. MC got up to go to the bathroom, but went to the other bathroom and noticed Haleigh gone when she came back

3. MC got up to use the bathroom, but never got that far as she found the kitchen light on and back door open

4. MC woke up because the kitchen light woke her and she noticed Haleigh gone upon returning to the bedroom

Now, why would GGS claim MC was in the master bath and noticed Haleigh gone? As far as I remember, MC never claimed that. It may not have any importance, just something I noticed. One things for sure, GGS is getting higher and higher on my hinky meter.

I know this sounds silly, but do we know what kind of wall/door were between the master bath & bed. I don't think I've ever seen the bath part.

When that hinky meter blows, please let us know.

 

[titanfan62702]

Here's a link to some still photos, one has the caption of what I spoke about -- I'm still looking for the video

http://www.news4jax.com/slideshow/news/18873591/detail.html

Thanks. That was quick. Ha. Maybe I had seen those pictures 'cause I did have the idea that bed/bath wasn't really separate rooms with a real door, and that's what it looks like.

 

[titanfan62702]

What has me going crazy (-er) lately is the where. Ie where could this have taken place and been witnessed by so few (if any) other people. There was no sign inside mh of struggle nor any other evidence there afaik, according to LE.

Which brings me back to the surrounding property, and dog tracking route... including pond, outbuilding etc.

So I am resurrecting an ancient theory of my own. The only reason I abandoned this eventually was because of the temps that time of year--and the unlikelihood that a child, even Haleigh's age, would be drawn to such cold water. I've now been reconsidering given she could have possibly fallen into--versus voluntarily entered the water.

Where is the shared culpabilty or how to explain Ron's peculiar actions in aftermath? Maybe RC and MC were too busy having it out at the mh while Haleigh and her brother were roaming unsupervised. After Haleigh, Junior (and possibly another child or cousin) explore the outbuilding they approach the nearby pond. Haleigh races ahead of Junior, who is distracted or lags behind... neither Junior (nor any other child possibly present) witness his sister's fall from the muddy water's edge as she slips silently beneath the water's surface.

As he walks the path back alone, Junior wonders to himself "Where's sissy?" eventually reaching the mh. There, RC and MC are busy now making up... and when questioned, he says "I dunno she was with me before..." RC and MC exchange nervous glances as they head in the direction from which they saw Junior come.

When they get to the edge of the water, they discover Haleigh--after rushing her to the mh and attempting to revive her (perhaps seeking help from someone else) they realize it's too late. They both feel responsible, deciding nothing's to be gained and it will only compound the tragedy, foul up custody and RC's money, to admit it was their negligence and poor supervision that caused her death.

They decide instead to wait until dark and take her to the docks at the river's edge--perhaps w assistance from someone w a boat--and she is weighted and released into the water. In the meantime they begin crafting and staging the abduction story. Explains dogs picking up scent along path all the way to the pond, and at docks. This way if and when she is found, they can claim it was a 'stranger' who must have dumped her in the river.

arrot:

The only thing I won't go along with is that Jr was near. He was almost 4, and he would have known if sissy disappeared when they were together.

I do think that something happened, not intentionally, but both RC and MC are at fault and the crime is in the coverup.

 

[lonetraveler]

At this point, it would be wise for LE to clear rc publicly and put the squeeze on misty. They are not doing this, which makes no sense if they know he is not involved. This kind of tactic leads the public to crucify ron cummings. ron cummings is not doing anything to help erase that assumption. One has to wonder why.

By not speaking out and by hiring Defense Attorneys, he is behaving as a guilty party. To further the cause, LE is letting him think it. Why is LE not clearing him publicly? Why are they letting him take all the heat? The only answer I can think of, is that he is guilty...guilty of something.

To seal this casel, we need to make sure Haleigh was actually at school...not by a suspect attendance record or by witnesses that could be confused on the day if they were not questioned immediately, but by school officials.

The next thing would be PDM to clear rc as being there the entire shift (and state the hours).

Because these things are not confirmed and people's lips are sealed, what is the general public to think? Le, FDLE have no inerest in clearing him....period. That is my take. His own Attorney said they cannot verify every hours...didn't he...or am I not recalling his exact words correctly.

I want LE to clear him publicly. Then they could proceed to get the one responsible if he had nothing to do with this.

I agree, it seems that in eleven months the very least LE could do is clear the father, since he was suppose to be at "werk" during the time that Haleigh disappeared, don't you think? This nonaction on LE's part points to them not believing GGMS's story about seeing Haleigh after Ron is suppose to be at work. If her story checked out then it looks like it would be very easy to clear the father. But, Ron has not been cleared. Meanwhile, Ron has consistently been in trouble and he just seems to skim right by the law.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I can't stand his truck or his stupid motto. He is arrogant as all get out driving around thumbing his nose at everyone with those words.

Whisp, until this case I never realized how loudly a vehicle's window could speak.

 

[lonetraveler]

Whisp, until this case I never realized how loudly a vehicle's window could speak.

I can't agree with you more on this subject. Between the "memorial" tattoo and the Letters on the truck, Ron seemed to be on the verge of confessing, only problem is, he didn't.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

OK, we have talked about Ron's work hours and as far as I'm concerned, we still don't know Jack. What days of the week did Ron work? Was he on a rotating shift with different days off each week? What I'm getting at is where was Ron during the time that Misty was ran off? Was he scheduled to work? Did he show up for work? I want to know what Ron was doing. There is information on Misty's activities but nothing on what Ron was doing. Why? He has been accused of giving Misty's father a prescription drug and nearly killing him, arrested for assault, charged with road rage and threatening with a weapon...........does anyone think that Ron did not look for Misty on that infamous weekend? Or threaten anyone? Was he involved in any way in Hank Sr.'s accident? There are just too many unanswered questions. I really feel that Ron's activities during the time that he and Misty were apart and fighting are very important to this investigation. There has only been rumors of what Ron may have been involved in during this time. I hope that LE has dug into these rumors and are on to what has happened to Haleigh.

BBM --

I'm right there with ya. I don't really picture RC sitting at home reading books to his kids especially while his live-in girlfriend is out running around doing Lord knows what with Lord knows who. Something tells me he was a VERY active boy during that weekend.

Clues from RC that I feel lean towards him either being involved or knowing who is: His response to anything that happened that night of "I don't know cuz I wuz at werk"; whenever asked about MC's inconsistencies he says "I don't know"; whenever asked if he's asked MC about her inconsistencies "No". You can't tell me a truly innocent, grieving father wouldn't be asking those questions. And it wouldn't matter if he was at work, he'd have a good idea about the evening before Haleigh went missing because he would have GRILLED MC about it and wouldn't have stopped til he got straight answers.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

In putting myself in their shoes, I think back to their being adamant about Haleigh not leaving the mh on her own due to her fear of the dark nor going near the pond due to fear of water. Well, my 4 y/o is not fond of the dark. As a matter of fact, a couple nights ago he went into the garage to look for a toy - the auto light went on but went off before he came back in - he was screaming like a wild animal was attacking him. Anyway, he's not real fond of bodies of water if someone isn't right there with him, either. With that known . . . if I woke in the middle of the night and he was gone, I'd be scouring the neighborhood thinking he must have gotten out (especially if a door was open). I wouldn't automatically assume he'd been kidnapped, maybe naive/hopeful, I don't know. And, if there were a pond or other body of water closeby, I'd be diving in searching for him, even though I wouldn't think he'd go in there.

Another thing to think about along those lines . . . RC allegedly arrived home just before 3:30am to MC standing in the drive saying "the back doors open and yer daughters gone". Since he supposedly worked late, why wouldn't she have asked him if he'd already been home? If he should've been home already when she found the light on and door open, why wouldn't she assume he had done it? Wouldn't she say "Do you have Haleigh? How'd the light get on and the door open?" And then for him to immediately assume "he/they" took her as opposed to her having wandered out into the neighborhood.

I don't know. None of this really jives.

 

[Whisperer]

I know this sounds silly, but do we know what kind of wall/door were between the master bath & bed. I don't think I've ever seen the bath part.

When that hinky meter blows, please let us know.

no door, arched opening. Garden bath is part of master bdrm.

 

[Whisperer]

Excellent post Yellow...#891. Never thought of some of those things...thank you.

 

[Whisperer]

He was certainly adamant that somebody TOOK her. He insisted and resisted any other explanation. He made sure all believed that story by knowing the door was ALWAYS locked.

...."yer daughter's gone" is another fly in my soup..this shows a separation of she from Haleigh. She reeled herself back in on the 911.

....where was jr at this time? Not one sound from this toddler. Ron is tearing the house up ( I have a feeling it was already torn up and stayed that way and that was his excuse for a messy house). Misty is using his phone to call 911. Why wasn't her phone in her hand when rc came home?

....The whole story is outta whack and LE knows it.

 

[Whisperer]

....one other point, the 911 call most likely has almost all the answers....that combined with the morning after interview.

.....Why did rc hang up when the operator ask for Haleigh's birthdate?...answer: he didn't know her birthday and had to take the offensive.

....He or misty harmed Haleigh.

 

[yosande]

I still lean towards that whatever happened to HaLeigh is not the real crime, that being something accidental. If I'm correct, the real crime is in the coverup and Ron comes across as being a major player.

If he were totally innocent, why didn't he lay it all out? Look at me, talk to me, question me ... no he puts on his truck something about only God can judge me.

Imho, if what happened to Haleigh had been an accident, then the consciences of these two characters would have pressurred them to tell all.
Therefore, imo, that if it was an accident, it was an accident while committing an illegal act, ie, drugs, threats/guns, or unlicensed driver/reckless driving, etc occurred.
jmo though

 

[PorcineGranny]

yosande, it had to be an illegal act with a prison certainty if convicted. I don't think the reckless driving would qualify. I'm saying that I think it was a serious drug situation but thats jmo. I don't even think reckless endangerment with a firearm would qualify to put Ron behind bars although it doesn't seem like anything qualifies to lock him up. You have to consider only if it was out and out murder does it appear Ron would be put in jail.
Any type of accident would have gotten him probation or just time in the county jail if that. I also think it is something that would have affected the whole family, I'm probably the only one that thinks Teresa might be up to her ears in drug situations too, not particularly using, but maybe somehow involved in selling or transporting.

 

[titanfan62702]

Imho, if what happened to Haleigh had been an accident, then the consciences of these two characters would have pressurred them to tell all.
Therefore, imo, that if it was an accident, it was an accident while committing an illegal act, ie, drugs, threats/guns, or unlicensed driver/reckless driving, etc occurred.
jmo though

Thanks. That's really what I meant and probably should have use it not being intentional instead of accident.

 

[doobiedoo52]

....one other point, the 911 call most likely has almost all the answers....that combined with the morning after interview.

.....Why did rc hang up when the operator ask for Haleigh's birthdate?...answer: he didn't know her birthday and had to take the offensive.

....He or misty harmed Haleigh.

Bingo, Whisperer!! I have always thought it was strange that RC hung up when he did on 911. My thoughts exactly--he didn't know her birthday. Granted, he might be shaken up IF the call was for real. But still you'd think he would at least have known the month!

Another thing that bugs me is the way he is just standing in the driveway when police get there. Why isn't he walking around the neighborhood yelling? Because there's no reason to. He knows where she is.

I would be really interested in knowing how long TN actually worked as a dispatcher before her accident. We have never seen any statements from Alachua County or employees even verifying that info. So much seems to be hidden from the public in this case. WHY?

 

[tehcloser]

I still lean towards that whatever happened to HaLeigh is not the real crime, that being something accidental. If I'm correct, the real crime is in the coverup and Ron comes across as being a major player.

If he were totally innocent, why didn't he lay it all out? Look at me, talk to me, question me ... no he puts on his truck something about only God can judge me.

For a long time, I have pondered the idea that there was another crime and that was the reason for all we have seen. I have even pondered further and wondered if the "gun" we have heard so much about was used in this "other" crime. :waitasec: