Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #6

[whovillebaby]

I guess it would depend on what caused Haleigh's death as to whether it could be ruled an accident. I have a hard time believing that the ones responsible would still be keeping an accidental death secret. If it was due to a drug OD, I believe felony murder charges could be brought by the state.

BBM, I agree....
The first videos of Ron holding Haleigh's picture, lead me to believe he knew who took her, and why they took her. He acts as if there is a chance of getting her back "a plea for mercy to a specific someone".
JMO thanks

 

[Skully]

That's what I thought too when I heard what Jr said. In the dark or with limited lighting, a navy jumpsuit would appear d@mn near close to black. One of the sister-in-laws said that Ron had to turn over his work clothes at the police station:waitasec:. Apparently he was wearing his navy jumpsuit. Could Jr have seen his father in (black/navy) that night?

Wow, that is an excellent point Suspicious!

 

[ilovemew]

Wow, that is an excellent point Suspicious!

Question: Why would Ron come into the bedroom at night and scoop up Haleigh and take her somewhere?

 

[Skully]

Question: Why would Ron come into the bedroom at night and scoop up Haleigh and take her somewhere?

Okay, I will take a stab at this. If Ron was involved, and I say if, he may have known Haleigh OD. It could have happened just after he got to work or shortly after. If Misty called him, he may have left work and got her body. But we don't know if he left work, we don't know 100% that he was there the whole time. No one is talking about his hours that night. We have heard things, but they are not 100%. So that is why some think He may have come home that night.

 

[Crosby87]

Jr was four years old when Haleigh vanished. If he were awake and unless he has a disability of some sort, he should be able to say what happened with no problem...that is if he were questioned immediately.

I hope the therapists counselling Junior asked him what was causing the couch to bounce and why the man in black took HaLeigh and passed any useful information onto LE. If Misty did hurt HaLeigh and Junior witnessed the incident, because they were alone in the house Misty could have threatened and intimidated him and fear will prevent him from talking.
If Junior wasn't awake, then his story looses credibility.
I'm glad Junior has no contact with Misty and is receiving professional help.

 

[lonetraveler]

Well, for Heavan' sake, lone, wouldn't you be proud of a son with such a high IQ......ha ha ha

Well heck 4Jacy, if I was his mother I would have surely felt a flicker of pride when Ron finally figured out how long he could go without clean drawers. It took him awhile but when the IQ got a little nudge he did good for himself.:dance:

 

[lonetraveler]

Here's a small piece on some of the key questions Misty was asked. BBM.

Misty was asked the following questions: "Did you intentionally withhold information regarding Haleigh's disappearance?" "Do you know what happened to Haleigh?" "Do you know where Haleigh is now?"

Misty responded "no" to all three questions and the results show she gave a 95 to 99 percent deceiving answer to all three.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20581786/detail.html

I don't remember them asking her about drugs or domestic violence during this polygraph.

Here is information regarding the poly questions just in case you want to read them.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=143962&catid=3

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- First Coast News has learned what questions were asked of Misty Cummings in her recent polygraph test, and how she replied. The results indicated she failed the test.
Speaking with First Coast News by phone Wednesday afternoon, Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch told us the details of the polygraph interview.
Here are the four questions Miller says were asked to Misty on August 19, followed by her answer and the polygraph result:
Question: Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh's disappearance?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know what happened to Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know where Haleigh is now?
Answer: No
Result: 95% Deception
Question: Do you know who took Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 42% deception
Miller says he was confused by the 42% result, but a polygraph expert who spoke with Miller says that could mean there were multiple people involved, and that something may have happened inside the house that prevented Misty from knowing which person took her away.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20602572/index.html

This video is Misty’s full voice analysis test. At around the 10.57 mark Misty is asked if she thinks Ron is involved with Haleigh’s disappearance. She answers No, that Ron would not harm Haleigh. She is his heart. (my words here, you will have to listen for exact words). The person conducting the test tells Misty that the test shows that she (Misty) is not sure when she said that Ron was not involved.

 

[mommyofthreekidz5]

...but if it were Ron in black, wouldn't Jr. have known that was his daddy? Not a man in black ?

 

[Skully]

Here is my take on Jr. He was barely four when this took place. My neighbor has a four year old and he just talks and talks and no one knows what he is saying half the time. He couldn't tell you where he was or what he did with any accuracy. They don't have a sense of time at that age. If he saw the police or FBI he may think they took her. Also is Jr on a four year level? Does he have the verbal skills? If so have you listened to a four year old try to make sense of anything lately? I have, and it's not clear at all what they mean. I am not sure he was there that night. We don't hear him on this 911 tape and MC is saying that they were freaked out, even Jr. Why isn't he crying with Ron yelling and banging things and looking for Haleigh. I just think he may have seen his dad at sometime in his work cloths and maybe he is confused or thinks his dad was someone else, I don't know.

 

[Skully]

Here is information regarding the poly questions just in case you want to read them.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=143962&catid=3

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- First Coast News has learned what questions were asked of Misty Cummings in her recent polygraph test, and how she replied. The results indicated she failed the test.
Speaking with First Coast News by phone Wednesday afternoon, Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch told us the details of the polygraph interview.
Here are the four questions Miller says were asked to Misty on August 19, followed by her answer and the polygraph result:
Question: Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh's disappearance?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know what happened to Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know where Haleigh is now?
Answer: No
Result: 95% Deception
Question: Do you know who took Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 42% deception
Miller says he was confused by the 42% result, but a polygraph expert who spoke with Miller says that could mean there were multiple people involved, and that something may have happened inside the house that prevented Misty from knowing which person took her away.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20602572/index.html

This video is Misty’s full voice analysis test. At around the 10.57 mark Misty is asked if she thinks Ron is involved with Haleigh’s disappearance. She answers No, that Ron would not harm Haleigh. She is his heart. (my words here, you will have to listen for exact words). The person conducting the test tells Misty that the test shows that she (Misty) is not sure when she said that Ron was not involved.

This too me; says it all. I didn't believe any of the story from the 911 call on, and this was just the nail in her coffin. If LDT were a tool to put her away, she would be in prison by now.

 

[suspicious1]

Here is information regarding the poly questions just in case you want to read them.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=143962&catid=3

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- First Coast News has learned what questions were asked of Misty Cummings in her recent polygraph test, and how she replied. The results indicated she failed the test.
Speaking with First Coast News by phone Wednesday afternoon, Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch told us the details of the polygraph interview.
Here are the four questions Miller says were asked to Misty on August 19, followed by her answer and the polygraph result:
Question: Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh's disappearance?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know what happened to Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know where Haleigh is now?
Answer: No
Result: 95% Deception
Question: Do you know who took Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 42% deception
Miller says he was confused by the 42% result, but a polygraph expert who spoke with Miller says that could mean there were multiple people involved, and that something may have happened inside the house that prevented Misty from knowing which person took her away.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20602572/index.html

This video is Misty’s full voice analysis test. At around the 10.57 mark Misty is asked if she thinks Ron is involved with Haleigh’s disappearance. She answers No, that Ron would not harm Haleigh. She is his heart. (my words here, you will have to listen for exact words). The person conducting the test tells Misty that the test shows that she (Misty) is not sure when she said that Ron was not involved.

BBM
That part was definitely strange to me. If the person conducting the test told Misty that the test showed that she was not sure when she said that Ron was not involved, wouldn't it be safe to assume that question showed deception or at least part deception? Eventhough we didn't get a percentage as to the results, it seems to me that the person conducting the test told us the results when he asked Misty that question and later said "she was not sure". So what, did Misty score a 50% on that question? I hope I am explaining this right but I know what I mean. lol

What I'm saying is this: The test results tell us that Misty deliberately withheld information, Misty knows what happened to Haleigh, and Misty knows where Haleigh is right now. But think about it...the test also tells us, Misty is NOT sure WHO took Haleigh (multiple people involved possibly) and Misty is NOT sure if RON had anything to do with Haleigh disappearing. Soooo....if Ron had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter missing, and Misty knew that, wouldn't Misty have passed that question "with flying colors"? Makes me think she didn't actually witness what happened to Haleigh. Where was she, if she don't know who took Haleigh or if Ron was involved?

 

[bessie]

...but if it were Ron in black, wouldn't Jr. have known that was his daddy? Not a man in black ?

IMO, yes, unless he was heavily disguised.

 

[suspicious1]

...but if it were Ron in black, wouldn't Jr. have known that was his daddy? Not a man in black ?

Not necessarily...What if it was dark and this person had their back turned toward Jr? Am I making sense? From the back, maybe all Jr could make out was that it was a man in black. I don't know...just thinking out loud.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

What I'm saying is this: The test results tell us that Misty deliberately withheld information, Misty knows what happened to Haleigh, and Misty knows where Haleigh is right now. But think about it...the test also tells us, Misty is NOT sure WHO took Haleigh (multiple people involved possibly) and Misty is NOT sure if RON had anything to do with Haleigh disappearing. Soooo....if Ron had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter missing, and Misty knew that, wouldn't Misty have passed that question "with flying colors"? Makes me think she didn't actually witness what happened to Haleigh. Where was she, if she don't know who took Haleigh or if Ron was involved?

Unless HaLeigh was taken due to RC's dealings, shenanigans, KWIM. What if it did have to do with the RX drugs they sold? What if RC owed money for whatever drugs he was given on consignment? What if HaLeigh got into the drugs RC may have hidden in the home? HaLeigh didn't up and leave on her own, Misty may be covering for herself, she hadn't slept the weekend on her 3 day bender could she had gotten frustrated with HaLeigh? HaLeigh wasn't listening to her and she over reacted?? I do feel she was jealous of HaLeigh and RC's relationship since she was his "heart"!

 

[tlcya]

That's what I thought too when I heard what Jr said. In the dark or with limited lighting, a navy jumpsuit would appear d@mn near close to black. One of the sister-in-laws said that Ron had to turn over his work clothes at the police station:waitasec:. Apparently he was wearing his navy jumpsuit. Could Jr have seen his father in (black/navy) that night?

If Jr. saw RC, his father, in black - would he not have said "I saw dad"?

"a man in black clothes" would not seem to be the wording a kid would use when being questioned about people who were around the mobile home if who he saw was actually his father. Further, if RC wore this jumpsuit regularly to work, Jr. would just say "I saw dad, in his workin guy clothes"

 

[Skully]

A bit O/T. I just want to say that I am so impressed with the people here and their passion to help solve this case and get justice for Haleigh. Nothing gets by you guys, it doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on, you guys are good. I love the fact I can state my opinion and you are respectful of it, whether or not you agree. I give credit to Trish and her mod squad for that too! When this goes to trial, if they even get 12 people who think 50% as clear as the people here, justice will be done. okay I am done....

 

[tlcya]

Could not have said it better. Ditto from me.

 

[watchinginky]

Here is my take on Jr. He was barely four when this took place. My neighbor has a four year old and he just talks and talks and no one knows what he is saying half the time. He couldn't tell you where he was or what he did with any accuracy. They don't have a sense of time at that age. If he saw the police or FBI he may think they took her. Also is Jr on a four year level? Does he have the verbal skills? If so have you listened to a four year old try to make sense of anything lately? I have, and it's not clear at all what they mean. I am not sure he was there that night. We don't hear him on this 911 tape and MC is saying that they were freaked out, even Jr. Why isn't he crying with Ron yelling and banging things and looking for Haleigh. I just think he may have seen his dad at sometime in his work cloths and maybe he is confused or thinks his dad was someone else, I don't know.

BBM....I have to agree Bern. I have almost 4 year old twins and they can speak very clearly and do a lot of the time, but they also have VERY active imaginations and talk about stuff that's off-the-wall to me, but makes perfect sense to them. There are many times I have to ask them to repeat themselves because I don't understand what they're trying to tell me.

And they have absolutely no concept of time. Everything is either yesterday or "tomorrow in the morning".

 

[Crosby87]

Here is my take on Jr. He was barely four when this took place. My neighbor has a four year old and he just talks and talks and no one knows what he is saying half the time. He couldn't tell you where he was or what he did with any accuracy. They don't have a sense of time at that age. If he saw the police or FBI he may think they took her. Also is Jr on a four year level? Does he have the verbal skills? If so have you listened to a four year old try to make sense of anything lately? I have, and it's not clear at all what they mean. I am not sure he was there that night. We don't hear him on this 911 tape and MC is saying that they were freaked out, even Jr. Why isn't he crying with Ron yelling and banging things and looking for Haleigh. I just think he may have seen his dad at sometime in his work cloths and maybe he is confused or thinks his dad was someone else, I don't know.

Hi Bern,

I think Crystal Sheffield knows for certain Junior was at his home on Greene Lane Monday evening because she allowed a reporter to interview Junior who said he saw a man dressed in black take his sissy. If Crystal knew Junior wasn't there, I doubt she would have allowed this interview to happen. :twocents:

Whether Misty began freaking out before Ron got home is heresay and it likely didn't happen if she and her relatives staged an abduction. I think in the midst of a commotion, Junior would
sit still and no one would hear a peep out of him because he would be confused and frightened.

 

[Skully]

BBM....I have to agree Bern. I have almost 4 year old twins and they can speak very clearly and do a lot of the time, but they also have VERY active imaginations and talk about stuff that's off-the-wall to me, but makes perfect sense to them. There are many times I have to ask them to repeat themselves because I don't understand what they're trying to tell me.

And they have absolutely no concept of time. Everything is either yesterday or "tomorrow in the morning".

God Bless you and your twins! Oh, taking care of twins is so much work and you are never, ever done. Two of my family members had twins, one set of boys at age 45 and one set of girls, (different parent) age 30. I helped out with both sets, and it was so much work! But they were cute :angel: