Thought and theories on Jeremy

[Whisperer]

my bolding

I wonder that myself, why not for JB as well as JI.

LE has said they've moved on from JB. We don't know that the person with JB didn't see him during those hours, or didn't see him at some point asleep on the couch during those hours, it was just an assumption that the person never saw him. The point is that LE hasn't come out and refuted it, LE has said that they've moved on past him.

JMHO

Thanks, annalia..

..hmm.. well then, did LE ever come out and say they were moving on after speaking with Jeremy? :waitasec:

 

[SyraKelly]

..hmm.. well then, did LE ever come out and say they were moving on after speaking with Db/JI? :waitasec:

I was just gonna post the same thing-no!!!

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Thanks, annalia..

..hmm.. well then, did LE ever come out and say they were moving on after speaking with Jeremy? :waitasec:

They haven't named him a POI, that we know for a FACT.

 

[SyraKelly]

sorry -I posted that in the wrong thread!!

 

[Whisperer]

They haven't named him a POI, that we know for a FACT.

Oh, he's a POI..imo. The term POI has now almost reached the word, "Suspect" as something LE shy away from...thanks to lawyers.j

They may have to start with a new term soon...which attorneys will wear down again.

 

[melissasmom]

So has it now been determined that Jeremy worked with his boss the entire time?

Considering Starbucks would frown on a journeyman doing a licensed electrician's work, I don't know if I can believe that he was there the entire time. I bet they don't get any repeat business from Starbucks any longer.

It was supposed to be a 4 hr. job. Now we have two people working 6 more hours than planned. Jeremy is not licensed and, in fact, we don't even know how long he has been a journeyman. He had only been working for this guy a very short time.

If the licensed contractor was doing the job, why did Jeremy have the truck?

Do you have a link or some other source for this statement? Do you know what a journeyman electrician IS? To be considered a journeyman, a person has to spend THOUSANDS of hours on the job/training, and also take an exam to get their journeyman's card. The only thing above a journeyman is a master electrician. A journeyman can do any type of electrical work except for design electrical systems.

Attaining a journeymans card in any trade is many many hours of work. I have no idea of what regulations Starbucks has for electrical repairs, but I would think that as long as there is someone with a contractors license bidding on the job, a journeyman could do all of the work.

But my main point is, what relevance does Jeremy's time working for this particular company have? If it was a big job maybe they both needed to be there so it didnt take twice as long. I am not really sure where this line of thinking is going.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Do you have a link or some other source for this statement? Do you know what a journeyman electrician IS? To be considered a journeyman, a person has to spend THOUSANDS of hours on the job/training, and also take an exam to get their journeyman's card. The only thing above a journeyman is a master electrician. A journeyman can do any type of electrical work except for design electrical systems.

Attaining a journeymans card in any trade is many many hours of work. I have no idea of what regulations Starbucks has for electrical repairs, but I would think that as long as there is someone with a contractors license bidding on the job, a journeyman could do all of the work.

But my main point is, what relevance does Jeremy's time working for this particular company have? If it was a big job maybe they both needed to be there so it didnt take twice as long. I am not really sure where this line of thinking is going.

Thank you for a great post explaining what a journeyman in a trade means.

What can be considered when looking at the added man-hours used in the Starbucks job. All kinds of unforeseen problems can pop up. Wrong parts, lack of parts, lack of the right tools (forgot to bring it) measuring something wrong, measuring right but cutting wrong. All sorts of problems can happen on a job that are unforeseen that make it take much longer than anticipated.

 

[Whisperer]

In most states, contractors are licensed. I guess I assumed Missouri did also...maybe not. A journeyman has to pass a test and be certified as such does a master electrician. Missouri may not care to license their workers. It would be odd but it wouldn't surprise me. If so, that would mean anyone working with an electrician for any length of time would be considered a journeyman.

And if he were a licensed journeyman, he would be making mega dollars and his bills would be paid. Electricians are one of the highest paid professions w/o college. So what gives with him?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Do you have a link or some other source for this statement? Do you know what a journeyman electrician IS? To be considered a journeyman, a person has to spend THOUSANDS of hours on the job/training, and also take an exam to get their journeyman's card. The only thing above a journeyman is a master electrician. A journeyman can do any type of electrical work except for design electrical systems.

Attaining a journeymans card in any trade is many many hours of work. I have no idea of what regulations Starbucks has for electrical repairs, but I would think that as long as there is someone with a contractors license bidding on the job, a journeyman could do all of the work.

But my main point is, what relevance does Jeremy's time working for this particular company have? If it was a big job maybe they both needed to be there so it didnt take twice as long. I am not really sure where this line of thinking is going.

thank you for this wonderful post. To add to it, a journey can do any work a master electrician can do, in fact, I myself can wire a complete home and I'm not even a journeyman, all one needs is for a master electrician to check the work and sign off on it. You'd be hard pressed to find a jobsite with electricians working where at least one is not a journeyman.

 

[norest4thewicked]

They haven't named him a POI, that we know for a FACT.

Has anyone been named a POI in this case?

 

[In da Middle]

Thank you for a great post explaining what a journeyman in a trade means.

What can be considered when looking at the added man-hours used in the Starbucks job. All kinds of unforeseen problems can pop up. Wrong parts, lack of parts, lack of the right tools (forgot to bring it) measuring something wrong, measuring right but cutting wrong. All sorts of problems can happen on a job that are unforeseen that make it take much longer than anticipated.

And it was a remodel. Anybody familiar with the world of contracting knows that a remodel job rarely goes as planned. They almost always take longer and need more parts then originally thought. There are so many unforeseen issues when remodeling. It taking longer than originally thought is nothing unusual at all.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

And it was a remodel. Anybody familiar with the world of contracting knows that a remodel job rarely goes as planned. They almost always take longer and need more parts then originally thought. There are so many unforeseen issues when remodeling. It taking longer than originally thought is nothing unusual at all.

speaking from experience "Ain't that the truth". I've seen some jobs I've been on go from an estimated 8 hours to triple that and more. Not to mention you also have to work with the inspectors, who get there when they feel like it. In this case I'm sure they would have had to pull a permit and submit a plan in advance.

 

[melissasmom]

In most states, contractors are licensed. I guess I assumed Missouri did also...maybe not. A journeyman has to pass a test and be certified as such does a master electrician. Missouri may not care to license their workers. It would be odd but it wouldn't surprise me. If so, that would mean anyone working with an electrician for any length of time would be considered a journeyman.

And if he were a licensed journeyman, he would be making mega dollars and his bills would be paid. Electricians are one of the highest paid professions w/o college. So what gives with him?

Missouri does not require electricians to be licensed. However, to become a journeyman, you first must go through an apprenticeship that, as I said, requires thousands of hours. Then you must pass an exam (codes, procedures, etc) to get your journeymans card. This is not something that can be done in a short period of time. Being a journeyman and being licensed are 2 different things. Normally licensing is more of an individual state requirement due to lawsuits, scams, etc.

That being said, I again am wondering, what is your train of thought here? What relevance does this have in the grand scheme of Lisa's case? Not being sarcastic, I just truly don't see what the relevance is. Maybe you can expand further on where this is leading, because I am not sure.

 

[Whisperer]

thank you for this wonderful post. To add to it, a journey can do any work a master electrician can do, in fact, I myself can wire a complete home and I'm not even a journeyman, all one needs is for a master electrician to check the work and sign off on it. You'd be hard pressed to find a jobsite with electricians working where at least one is not a journeyman.

If everything is as you say, then Jeremy should not be having financial difficulties. His house payment is dirt cheap. He should be doing great.

Maybe it pays more working at Quick Stop because Phil lives in a better place than Jeremy does. I don't get it. I would like to see a verification. If there is one, Jeremy should be doing a heck of a lot better than he is.

 

[melissasmom]

If everything is as you say, then Jeremy should not be having financial difficulties. His house payment is dirt cheap. He should be doing great.

Maybe it pays more working at Quick Stop because Phil lives in a better place than Jeremy does. I don't get it. I would like to see a verification. If there is one, Jeremy should be doing a heck of a lot better than he is.

How do you know what Jeremy's house payment is? Really, has this been reported somewhere?

 

[Whisperer]

How long has he been this certified journeyman? Thousands of hours? My train of thought is why is he struggling? He gets sued for a $100 by his sister? Are you kidding me? Both parents have problems with money and custody issues...why?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

If everything is as you say, then Jeremy should not be having financial difficulties. His house payment is dirt cheap. He should be doing great.

Maybe it pays more working at Quick Stop because Phil lives in a better place than Jeremy does. I don't get it. I would like to see a verification. If there is one, Jeremy should be doing a heck of a lot better than he is.

How does being a journeyman relate to how much money he should have? Do you know the average wage of a journeyman in KCMO area? Do you know what the ratio between work available and the number of journeymen seeking those jobs in KCMO? Feeding yourself, another adult, house payments (not even going to go there on PN's fancy home of less than 900 sq ft) plus feeding and clothing three children, medical bills, the cost of living. I personally don't know of any journeyman electricians or even contractors living high on the hog in these times.

 

[Whisperer]

Sorry, DB gets medical from her husband according to the records. Since they aren't married she probably gets food stamps also...speculating. If she doesn't get any help from her husband, I get she got medicaid for the birth.

Sure kids are expensive but electricians out here are very well-off. Beings the average home here is a million and they have more than one, I can say they do pretty darn well.

I have no idea what KCMO pays their help but according to Quick-Stop pay, it's pretty good.

 

[Whisperer]

KCMO electrical pay is listed as $40,000. A helper is about $20,000. I would think that money would go far being the cost of living (houses) are pretty low. Quick stop pays better than a helper and probably close to an electrician according to what some people told me here that Phil makes.

 

[highflyer]

Sorry, DB gets medical from her husband according to the records. Since they aren't married she probably gets food stamps also...speculating. If she doesn't get any help from her husband, I get she got medicaid for the birth.

Sure kids are expensive but electricians out here are very well-off. Beings the average home here is a million and they have more than one, I can say they do pretty darn well.

I have no idea what KCMO pays their help but according to Quick-Stop pay, it's pretty good.

What? They have more than one what?