Thread No. 21

[Jubal]

that's what you think.

all women ask if that their men don't abuse or kill them.

Mine has to mow. As well as that don't abuse and kill stuff.

 

[sweetmop]

jay flunked the test for being a real man. he beat his woman to death.

Yes JY flunked the " real man ' test.
He flunked so many ' tests ' before the killing too, wish Michelle had picked up on that before it was too late for her! She just didn't want to believe what she saw, or just couldn't believe it, I guess.


Jason has continued his failing of many tests since then also.
Why can't his family and friends see it?

 

[spring]

Yes JY flunked the " real man ' test.
He flunked so many ' tests ' before the killing too, wish Michelle had picked up on that before it was too late for her! She just didn't want to believe what she saw, or just couldn't believe it, I guess.


Jason has continued his failing of many tests since then also.
Why can't his family and friends see it?

i think they do see it. i just think they believe it is a reflection of them and how jy turned out. one day though, they have to stop enabling.

 

[The Saint]

And ministers? And ministers? What's wrong with your fantastic memory, Saint. Go read.

Who did I say offers help in time of crisis? Family.... yeah. Friends....yeah. And.....????

my memory is fine, jake. some might even say photographic.

here are your posts where you state that weak people seek help from counselors.

now are you trying to shade your comments to say it's ok to seek help from counselors and ministers as long as you know them, are related to them or they don't charge you for the session?

all are jake's quotes on Thread 20

#527
That makes sense, Jubal. There are things I talk to my medical doctor about that I wouldn't share with family or friends. Some things are just too personal for that.

But for support in a time of crisis, I would not rely on grief counselors and such. I'd turn to those close to me. That's what Jason did.

#554

I agree. Those who are too weak to stand on their own, those who need the help of others--- certainly those people should seek help. Nothing at all wrong with that. That's why we have counselors.

#555
"too good" huh? Well, think what you want. The service should be for the weak people, not the little people. Most of us little people are strong enough to carry our burdens.


#602
But you haven't seen my actions. I'm not weak enough yet for a therapist to help. Did that therapist ever help Tony Soprano?Originally Posted by jake View Post
That makes sense, Jubal. There are things I talk to my medical doctor about that I wouldn't share with family or friends. Some things are just too personal for that.

But for support in a time of crisis, I would not rely on grief counselors and such. I'd turn to those close to me. That's what Jason did.

 

[The Saint]

For my anger??

Can't afford it, Sweetmop. I need a counselor for my grief......

I need a counselor for my lust, for my gluttony, for my greed, for my sloth, for my envy, and even for my pride. Now you say I need a counselor for my anger?

Naw. I think I'll just live my life the best I can.

I was living on the Davidson today with a fly rod. Now that fly rod is a great counselor. Didn't see a nurse anywhere.

what, JTF couldn't make the fishing trip?
why didn't you take that gal who says she likes to fly fish w/ her dad? she might very helpful at a time like this.

 

[jake]

Mine has to mow. As well as that don't abuse and kill stuff.

Oh, no, Jubal! Wish you hadn't done that. Now somebody will have Michelle out in the hot sun all last summer, mowing, while Jason dons his wet suit and searches everywhere for a Coach purse.

 

[sweetmop]

i think they do see it. i just think they believe it is a reflection of them and how jy turned out. one day though, they have to stop enabling.

Well you make a good point, spring. Enabling, that is for sure. A hard habit to break too. As, it's most likely been going on a long long time, even pre murder I would imagine.
I have 2 sons and a daughter. I love them dearly. But, if God forbid, they were ever responsible for such a horrific crime as Jason Young is, I would still love them, but by golly there would be some harsh real talking to them and they would be standing accountable for their actions, though my heart would be breaking. I just don't understand how a parent can know in their heart the real truth and play along with " his charades". It seems for the mental health of all, he should be made to get re.al and tell the truth. Mama needs to sit down with her one and only son and have a real heart to heart with him. Enough is enough!

 

[The Saint]

Jake forgot nothing. Help Saint remember what I said.

whew, you ARE detached, jake. you're talking about yourself in the third person now.

 

[spring]

Well you make a good point, spring. Enabling, that is for sure. A hard habit to break too. As, it's most likely been going on a long long time, even pre murder I would imagine.
I have 2 sons and a daughter. I love them dearly. But, if God forbid, they were ever responsible for such a horrific crime as Jason Young is, I would still love them, but by golly there would be some harsh real talking to them and they would be standing accountable for their actions, though my heart would be breaking. I just don't understand how a parent can know in their heart the real truth and play along with " his charades". It seems for the mental health of all, he should be made to get re.al and tell the truth. Mama needs to sit down with her one and only son and have a real heart to heart with him. Enough is enough!

there's your difference too you would make yours face punishment. they probably have always dealt with punishment. i think the enablers have taken care of jy his entire life. they have always taken care of the poor little boy who lost his dad. well, he's not the poor little boy anymore.

 

[Train]

Oh, no, Jubal! Wish you hadn't done that. Now somebody will have Michelle out in the hot sun all last summer, mowing, while Jason dons his wet suit and searches everywhere for a Coach purse.

Actually, it was late fall, she was 5 months pregnant and freezing to the point of having to wear a hooded sweatshirt to bed when Jason was busy getting that Coach purse evidence ready. Can't say as if I ever believed the wet suit theory so I'll leave that part out.

 

[concernedperson]

For my anger??

Can't afford it, Sweetmop. I need a counselor for my grief......

I need a counselor for my lust, for my gluttony, for my greed, for my sloth, for my envy, and even for my pride. Now you say I need a counselor for my anger?

Naw. I think I'll just live my life the best I can.

I was living on the Davidson today with a fly rod. Now that fly rod is a great counselor. Didn't see a nurse anywhere.

Did you have a Dr. G. anywhere in tow?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Did you have a Dr. G. anywhere in tow?

Maybe doing an individual profile?
Nice to see you, CP.

 

[The Saint]

"feminazis?"
:woohoo:
somebody is mighty skeered of women

 

[The Saint]

You'll have to ask Rush about that machonazi thing.

I'll agree with you if you'll take that "generally" from your first sentence. Real men don't beat women. Period.

don't listen to Rush - he's on drugs and that's the least of his problems.

 

[The Saint]

Oh, no, Jubal! Wish you hadn't done that. Now somebody will have Michelle out in the hot sun all last summer, mowing, while Jason dons his wet suit and searches everywhere for a Coach purse.

gosh, jake. isn't enough that your friend, the beast jason, smashed michelle's skull and sent her teeth flying all over the bedroom? it's not funny.

 

[jake]

jake,

jason sought the counsel of a minister and showed him scratches that he said his wife had given him.

according to you, jason is "weak."

or was jason crafting his murder plot?

just weeks before michelle was murdered, jason told people that "michelle was acting crazy" and he didn't know what to do with her, he told coworkers that she was pestering him at work saying that she heard noises in the backyard, and he showed a pastor scratches that he claimed michelle had given him.

very calculated.
premeditated murder.

(i find it puzzling that jake ridicules people seeking help from mental health care professional and ministers, the very people that are comprised of his family members.

he denigrates their chosen professions by saying only the weak seek their help.}

Ah, Saint, not a photographic memory. A SELECTIVE memory!

You chose to forget that I said STRONG people will not need to seek the help of strangers. Jason has relied on friends, family, church.

Now you remember?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

i think they do see it. i just think they believe it is a reflection of them and how jy turned out. one day though, they have to stop enabling.

Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

 

[Jubal]

Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

These people counsel about legal issues. It is not weakness to consult with them. They help us with our ignorance of the nuances of the law. Grief counselors help us with our ignorance of the nuances of loss.

MOO

 

[The Saint]

Ah, Saint, not a photographic memory. A SELECTIVE memory!

You chose to forget that I said STRONG people will not need to seek the help of strangers. Jason has relied on friends, family, church.

Now you remember?

i stand my the quotes i provided --- from my all encompassing not selective memory and the advanced search function.

mentally and morally strong men do not kill their wives and babies or quote Rush Limbaugh.

 

[jake]

Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

What's a criminal defense profiler do? What's a consultant do?