Thread No. 21

[Schmerty_Jones]

Well, SueY, you make it sound as if GRIEF is something to be avoided. You make it sound as if it is not part of life.

Face it. It is. We grieve, and then we live our lives. We don't need a grief counselor to teach us how to grieve.

And who or what do we need to teach us how to live? Especially to teach us how to prevent loss of life or NOT TO TAKE LIVES?

 

[SueY]

Well, SueY, you make it sound as if GRIEF is something to be avoided. You make it sound as if it is not part of life.

Face it. It is. We grieve, and then we live our lives. We don't need a grief counselor to teach us how to grieve.

Where did I say grief was something to be avoided?
Where did I say it is not part of life?
Where did I say a counselor teaches how to grieve?

 

[Stoli]

Maybe if Jason had sought the services of a reputable counselor, he would have found other less destructive means of dealing with his personal problems. JMHO

 

[Train]

Well, SueY, you make it sound as if GRIEF is something to be avoided. You make it sound as if it is not part of life.

Face it. It is. We grieve, and then we live our lives. We don't need a grief counselor to teach us how to grieve.

Since when does a grief counselor teach us how to grieve? Last I knew, they helped us cope through one's own grief process. I hardly think SueY was implying that grief should be avoided. Do you like being sad, Jake?

Because I don't think anyone wishes to be sad, so when they are, there's nothing wrong with seeking the guidance of a trained professional especially if the sadness has affected their functioning in every day life.

 

[jilly]

I'm saying "after thought" as an excuse to get Meredith to go to the house, no matter what the gift might have been. I'm wondering if he would have even bought her anything at all seeing how he was so late in the first place. I'm sure Michelle mentioned to him and to their friends more than once how he forgot to get her a gift. He used it as his excuse. A lame one too, IMO.

Thanks for responding Train. I think you're right about their friends knowing how he neglected her. I personally don't believe he gave a hoot about their anniversary. I'll go a step further and say it's mo that at the time of the anniversary he was planning on how he would get out of the marriage.

 

[Jubal]

I reckon you forgot the reminded part. That's all right. I get your point.

Keep in mind the feminazis have been at us for 40 years now. They want us to believe that men should be more like women.

We should feel the pain. We should share our pain. We should get in touch with our feelings. We should learn to cry. We should hug and kiss, men and women. We should have our grief counselor on our personal hot line. "I love you man!"

Thank God not all men have fallen for that bull. A man is not a woman. They are different. Live with it.

My soul is fine. No crisis here.

Can you honestly say the same for your friend?

Men who can relate to women don't generally beat them. Men who see women as individuals, each one as unique as each man is (the way God sees us all), don't figure that when you get tired of one, you just whack her over the head and move on. Men in touch with their feelings realize that you can't replace a child's Mommy just by finding a new wife. MOO.

So what are you? A Machonazi?

 

[sweetmop]

Well I believe that the feminist movement(feminazis, per jake) is not about men being more like women. While I believe anyone that knows me, would never describe me as a feminist either, I believe that the whole feminist movement was because women wanted equality with men. They wanted the same treatment given a man. Not thought of as a lesser person but as a man's equal. Equal pay for the same work, 50/50 in a relationship, etc. I think I know where jake may stand on this. Of course, I believe we are probably from different generations.
I personally think a REAL man does show his emotions and can relate to how a woman feels or thinks about a situation. Yes, we are different, but a man can show his emotions, and I believe that healthy, well adjusted men do.


eta: jake you sound as though you may have some anger issues. Maybe you really should get in touch with a counselor for yourself.

 

[jake]

Where did I say grief was something to be avoided?
Where did I say it is not part of life?
Where did I say a counselor teaches how to grieve?

So grief is a part of life. Why do we need a counselor to teach us how to accept that part of life, or whatever he does? We don't need a happy counselor to teach us to accept joy.

 

[jake]

Since when does a grief counselor teach us how to grieve? Last I knew, they helped us cope through one's own grief process. I hardly think SueY was implying that grief should be avoided. Do you like being sad, Jake?

Because I don't think anyone wishes to be sad, so when they are, there's nothing wrong with seeking the guidance of a trained professional especially if the sadness has affected their functioning in every day life.

As I have said before, if you need it, get it. Don't assume everyone needs it. We were talking about Jason.

 

[jake]

Can you honestly say the same for your friend?

Men who can relate to women don't generally beat them. Men who see women as individuals, each one as unique as each man is (the way God sees us all), don't figure that when you get tired of one, you just whack her over the head and move on. Men in touch with their feelings realize that you can't replace a child's Mommy just by finding a new wife. MOO.

So what are you? A Machonazi?

You'll have to ask Rush about that machonazi thing.

I'll agree with you if you'll take that "generally" from your first sentence. Real men don't beat women. Period.

 

[sweetmop]

So grief is a part of life. Why do we need a counselor to teach us how to accept that part of life, or whatever he does? We don't need a happy counselor to teach us to accept joy.

jake I really believe you could gain alot from seeing a counselor yourself.Someone with an unbiased take on all you have been handling over the past several months.
You are under an enormous amount of stress, and don't realize what it's doing to you. A counselor would help teach you how to handle all the stress you're under from the worry and strife you carry over Jason's situation. I do believe you would benefit, and be pleasantly surprised.

 

[jake]

Well I believe that the feminist movement(feminazis, per jake) is not about men being more like women. While I believe anyone that knows me, would never describe me as a feminist either, I believe that the whole feminist movement was because women wanted equality with men. They wanted the same treatment given a man. Not thought of as a lesser person but as a man's equal. Equal pay for the same work, 50/50 in a relationship, etc. I think I know where jake may stand on this. Of course, I believe we are probably from different generations.
I personally think a REAL man does show his emotions and can relate to how a woman feels or thinks about a situation. Yes, we are different, but a man can show his emotions, and I believe that healthy, well adjusted men do.


eta: jake you sound as though you may have some anger issues. Maybe you really should get in touch with a counselor for yourself.

For my anger??

Can't afford it, Sweetmop. I need a counselor for my grief......

I need a counselor for my lust, for my gluttony, for my greed, for my sloth, for my envy, and even for my pride. Now you say I need a counselor for my anger?

Naw. I think I'll just live my life the best I can.

I was living on the Davidson today with a fly rod. Now that fly rod is a great counselor. Didn't see a nurse anywhere.

 

[Jubal]

So grief is a part of life. Why do we need a counselor to teach us how to accept that part of life, or whatever he does? We don't need a happy counselor to teach us to accept joy.

I think many of us are out of touch with our feelings. Our culture encourages detachment. MOO.

 

[sweetmop]

jake there is a fine line between anger and grief. Grief is a reaction to a loss. There are many types of loss.
And I agree, a fly rod can be a great help, a comfort even. Just take care of you, in the best way you can, as you say.
You didn't look real hard jake if you didn't see a nurse there today.

We go over quite alot. Love that tranquil place, a little bit of Heaven...

 

[sweetmop]

I think many of us are out of touch with our feelings. Our culture encourages detachment. MOO.

I totally agree, Jubal. Love your name by the way.
And, love your posts too.

 

[MelindaG]

Hey Jake---Is Jason keeping his football ticket rights?

 

[Jubal]

I totally agree, Jubal. Love your name by the way.
And, love your posts too.

Thank you. Sometimes I do a lot of deleting.

 

[panthera]

Here's a link to the MLS listing for the house I was wondering if anyone knows if the master bedroom is in the photo link??

(click on the listing where it says Media 10).

http://trianglelistings.marketlinx.....asp?EMailKey=18374432&prp=mls&AgentID=R22712

 

[The Saint]

I reckon you forgot the reminded part. That's all right. I get your point.

Keep in mind the feminazis have been at us for 40 years now. They want us to believe that men should be more like women.

We should feel the pain. We should share our pain. We should get in touch with our feelings. We should learn to cry. We should hug and kiss, men and women. We should have our grief counselor on our personal hot line. "I love you man!"

Thank God not all men have fallen for that bull. A man is not a woman. They are different. Live with it.

My soul is fine. No crisis here.

that's what you think.

all women ask if that their men don't abuse or kill them.

 

[The Saint]

You'll have to ask Rush about that machonazi thing.

I'll agree with you if you'll take that "generally" from your first sentence. Real men don't beat women. Period.

jay flunked the test for being a real man. he beat his woman to death.