Thread no. 22

[daddydidit]

Won't be any "movin on" here until justice is served. On a platter.

I won't be movin on either until justice is served anyone that thinks jason is innocent needs to take a look hard look at things it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Won't be any "movin on" here until justice is served. On a platter.

Hi snowshuze! :woohoo:

Patience is a virtue, eh?

 

[snowshuze]

Hi snowshuze! :woohoo:

Patience is a virtue, eh?

Hang on while I go look up definitions of patience AND virtue.

 

[kwatson696]

Morning Everyone,
Maybe today is the day for "JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE":blowkiss: !!!!!

 

[raisincharlie]

the cat is out of the bag. if dr. godwin really has been hired to work on jason's behalf, then the DA is going to be ready for him.
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LE has interviewed over 100 people and traveled to 3 others states. They have talked to neighboring counties to see if any of their murders had any similarity to this murder. it's not like they haven't considered other possibilities. they have taken the fingerprints of numerous people and had groups of people take polygraphs.

Are you sure about polygraphs ?

 

[strach304]

I know the boating accident is fairly recent news but don't know the time frame. When did that happen? There are quite a few coincidences tied to that car accident imo. Cassidy was not in the car (unharmed when mommy was murdered), Michelle was pregnant (murdered during next pregnancy), area of accident and Jason's familiarity with that area and avid rafter, outdoorsman. The area of the accident Jason was very familiar with and knew of other accidents there. Fatalities?

How many cases can we count where the SO has injured themselves to deflect attention away from them as a suspect when they in fact turned out to be the perp? I don't think Jason planned on the car accident killing Michelle by running it down an embankment into the river at all but rather planned on drowning her and it would be ruled an accident. That's why I don't give too much thought to it being that daring and would have jeopardized Jason's life. They both walked away from that accident unharmed so that tells me he knew exactly what he was doing. Isn't a violent murder in the home much more likely to have LE looking at you and the risk of going to jail for life a bigger gamble than running a car into the river?

 

[raisincharlie]

I know the boating accident is fairly recent news but don't know the time frame. When did that happen? There are quite a few coincidences tied to that car accident imo. Cassidy was not in the car (unharmed when mommy was murdered), Michelle was pregnant (murdered during next pregnancy), area of accident and Jason's familiarity with that area and avid rafter, outdoorsman. The area of the accident Jason was very familiar with and knew of other accidents there. Fatalities?

How many cases can we count where the SO has injured themselves to deflect attention away from them as a suspect when they in fact turned out to be the perp? I don't think Jason planned on the car accident killing Michelle by running it down an embankment into the river at all but rather planned on drowning her and it would be ruled an accident. That's why I don't give too much thought to it being that daring and would have jeopardized Jason's life. They both walked away from that accident unharmed so that tells me he knew exactly what he was doing. Isn't a violent murder in the home much more likely to have LE looking at you and the risk of going to jail for life a bigger gamble than running a car into the river?

A murder in the home while one is out of town in another state supposedly on business doesn't look like a big gamble either.

Except for TOD; except for calling the Sister to pick up a stupid piece of paper when you hadn't asked something similar of her before; except for supposedly being late for your meeting; except for checking your voice mail frequently after you called the Sister; except for calling your buddies to tell them your meeting went well; except for going to your folks home when you had quests coming to your own home that same day....and on and on.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Believe it or not, I'm still giving Jason the benefit of the doubt on the car accident. I'm also confident that LE opened the investigation up again after Michelle's murder, and if they found other indicators upon reinvestigation, that they're keeping it tucked away until needed.

It is disheartening and bothersome to hear about this supposed boat incident. I hope that's not factually true. That would be just another "one too many" coincidences.

Same with the hotel incident on 10/14. Yes, I keep bringing it up. Why? Because that again is a huge coincidence that they had a pretty bad fight/argument just 3 weeks before she was beaten to death. And in between those two dates, she went to a therapist at least once, but I believe more than once. And went to NY during that same 3 week period.

Things were NOT good at all at home between Jason and Michelle, IMHO.

Justice for Michelle and babies.

 

[raisincharlie]

Believe it or not, I'm still giving Jason the benefit of the doubt on the car accident. I'm also confident that LE opened the investigation up again after Michelle's murder, and if they found other indicators upon reinvestigation, that they're keeping it tucked away until needed.

It is disheartening and bothersome to hear about this supposed boat incident. I hope that's not factually true. That would be just another "one too many" coincidences.

Same with the hotel incident on 10/14. Yes, I keep bringing it up. Why? Because that again is a huge coincidence that they had a pretty bad fight/argument just 3 weeks before she was beaten to death. And in between those two dates, she went to a therapist at least once, but I believe more than once. And went to NY during that same 3 week period.

Things were NOT good at all at home between Jason and Michelle, IMHO.

Justice for Michelle and babies.

The car accident bothers me in some respects. Depends on who you believe I think, one group says Michelle had turned around about a noise in the back of the vehicle, another group says it was Jy (who was driving) who turned around because he thought the back gate popped up (no rearview mirror I quess). For some reason I just think it was an accident - why it was an accident may be another story when you have a known prankster driving. At the very least it accomplished something, the loss of a baby and it is my opinion this loss was related to the accident.

The boating accident bothers me more. There was a picture on WRAL I believe of the family in a boat - Cassidy had on a life vest but neither Michelle or Jy had one on. I would like to understand how the wife falls out of the boat to start with and why she had to struggle to get back in - where was the husband ?

October seems to be a very strange month. Jy was in Denver for the week of 10/9 returning in time to attend the wedding. As you describe there doesn't seem to be much contact between the two if you look at the time. I would agree, rough few weeks before the murder and a therapist added in doesn't seem to equal a pleasant time for Michelle.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

The car accident bothers me in some respects. Depends on who you believe I think, one group says Michelle had turned around about a noise in the back of the vehicle, another group says it was Jy (who was driving) who turned around because he thought the back gate popped up (no rearview mirror I quess). For some reason I just think it was an accident - why it was an accident may be another story when you have a known prankster driving. At the very least it accomplished something, the loss of a baby and it is my opinion this loss was related to the accident.

The boating accident bothers me more. There was a picture on WRAL I believe of the family in a boat - Cassidy had on a life vest but neither Michelle or Jy had one on. I would like to understand how the wife falls out of the boat to start with and why she had to struggle to get back in - where was the husband ?

October seems to be a very strange month. Jy was in Denver for the week of 10/9 returning in time to attend the wedding. As you describe there doesn't seem to be much contact between the two if you look at the time. I would agree, rough few weeks before the murder and a therapist added in doesn't seem to equal a pleasant time for Michelle.

I guess I haven't heard enough of the boat "accident" to really wrap my mind around it. I can change my mind when I read more. I guess that's how I feel about the car accident, as well. I guess it's that we've heard varied descriptions, so I don't know enough to come to a solid conclusion or opinion. But, in the big picture, it's certainly another "coincidence" that led to the death of another of their children.

 

[Smugshots]

The car accident bothers me in some respects. Depends on who you believe I think, one group says Michelle had turned around about a noise in the back of the vehicle, another group says it was Jy (who was driving) who turned around because he thought the back gate popped up (no rearview mirror I quess). For some reason I just think it was an accident - why it was an accident may be another story when you have a known prankster driving. At the very least it accomplished something, the loss of a baby and it is my opinion this loss was related to the accident.

The boating accident bothers me more. There was a picture on WRAL I believe of the family in a boat - Cassidy had on a life vest but neither Michelle or Jy had one on. I would like to understand how the wife falls out of the boat to start with and why she had to struggle to get back in - where was the husband ?

October seems to be a very strange month. Jy was in Denver for the week of 10/9 returning in time to attend the wedding. As you describe there doesn't seem to be much contact between the two if you look at the time. I would agree, rough few weeks before the murder and a therapist added in doesn't seem to equal a pleasant time for Michelle.

Hi RC,

From my experience, I've owned a boat for 13 years, adults rarely if ever wear a life jacket on a boat. The law in my state is that there must be enough life jackets on the boat for everyone on the boat, but they do not need to be wearing them. Children are different, I'm not sure if it's a law, but every child I have ever seen on or near a boat, even walking down a dock to get in the boat wears a life jacket. I don't think it's odd Michelle didn't have a life jacket on while on the boat, I do wonder how she may have "fell" off though.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi RC,

From my experience, I've owned a boat for 13 years, adults rarely if ever wear a life jacket on a boat. The law in my state is that there must be enough life jackets on the boat for everyone on the boat, but they do not need to be wearing them. Children are different, I'm not sure if it's a law, but every child I have ever seen on or near a boat, even walking down a dock to get in the boat wears a life jacket. I don't think it's odd Michelle didn't have a life jacket on while on the boat, I do wonder how she may have "fell" off though.

I didn't present my point well, sorry - just pointing out that they did not have them on. In other words, chances are when Michelle fell off the boat she probably did not have one on. Same here, must be enough life vests and children (under 16) must have on a protection system.

 

[Smugshots]

I didn't present my point well, sorry - just pointing out that they did not have them on. In other words, chances are when Michelle fell off the boat she probably did not have one on. Same here, must be enough life vests and children (under 16) must have on a protection system.

I'm sorry, I think it's I who misread you're post about the life jacket.

In regard to the car accident, I don't recall reading previously that Jason thought the back gate was open, if that's the case it's interesting he would need to turn around to check that, there should be a light in the dash that is on when a door or the back gate is open.

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm sorry, I think it's I who misread you're post about the life jacket.

In regard to the car accident, I don't recall reading previously that Jason thought the back gate was open, if that's the case it's interesting he would need to turn around to check that, there should be a light in the dash that is on when a door or the back gate is open.

Well, that story has sources I'm not sure I believe. I can't figure why one would turn around to look, while driving on a road known to have several accidents, instead of looking in the mirror. What's the driver going to do about it other than stop? Looking isn't going to help. I would think there would indeed be a light and a dinging noise if a door was open - seems that has been on vehicles for over a decade at least. With conflicting stories about who did what - it makes it kind of hard to cipher on this.

 

[jilly]

What exactly is a "back gate"?

 

[raisincharlie]

What exactly is a "back gate"?

The back lift up door on the Explorer is what we are talking about Ms. Jilly.:crazy: Like I told Smugshots, I'm in my own time zone sometimes...

 

[jilly]

The back lift up door on the Explorer is what we are talking about Ms. Jilly.:crazy: Like I told Smugshots, I'm in my own time zone sometimes...

LOL. Geez - I was thinking it might be one of those cages that you put in the back to keep a dog contained. Glad I asked! I agree with your comments - there would have been a message on the dash - 'door ajar' or something.

 

[strach304]

RC, do you know the approximate date of the boating accident? I was sure LE was looking at those pic discs from their trip after they were married because something happened then. We know Michelle was pregnant. Wasn't the boating accident a year before her murder or was it a year before the car accident? The date may indicate something.

The trip out of town that was work related is too phoney for me to buy also especially since he stopped at the midway point. I will always believe Scott Peterson had similar ideas and plans to kill Laci in that way and a car accident from what came out in that case. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the case with Jason as well. What I believe both have in common that prove that is when they actually went all the way it went precariously rather than the smooth planning beforehand that left a trail of bread crumbs straight back to them. Jason has kept his yapper shut though.

 

[raisincharlie]

RC, do you know the approximate date of the boating accident? I was sure LE was looking at those pic discs from their trip after they were married because something happened then. We know Michelle was pregnant. Wasn't the boating accident a year before her murder or was it a year before the car accident? The date may indicate something.

The trip out of town that was work related is too phoney for me to buy also especially since he stopped at the midway point. I will always believe Scott Peterson had similar ideas and plans to kill Laci in that way and a car accident from what came out in that case. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the case with Jason as well. What I believe both have in common that prove that is when they actually went all the way it went precariously rather than the smooth planning beforehand that left a trail of bread crumbs straight back to them. Jason has kept his yapper shut though.

My understanding of the boating accident was that it happened shortly before the 3rd anniversary - early to mid september before the murder and coincidentally when Michelle was pregnant again and after the affair with MM had started. That is my understanding of the timing, don't know how true that is though.

 

[strach304]

I've had it in my head for a long time that Jason wanted to drown her so it looked like an accident. I don't know why besides the car accident I am stuck on that other than throwing in the trip they took after being married was to a beach I believe. LE wanting to see the pics naturally have me thinking there is something suspicious related to that trip. Now I hear about a boating accident. If any of this turns out to be intentional it would seem like he's been trying to do away with her for awhile. Possibly the third pregnancy pushed him over the edge to act in a similar manner to Scott Peterson. Laci's due date was very near and was in a hurry and got sloppy. A psychologist had stated at the time the 8th month is the most dangerous and stressful in that situation because the pressure is on because the baby is coming.