Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[bessie]

What is the purpose of all the questions about TB's business?

 

[Carli]

What is the purpose of all the questions about TB's business?

I think the purpose was explained in some detail, but I can't seem to find those posts now. It had something to do with the in depth examination of other victims (and other family members and friends) personal and professional lives as having potentially influenced DM's allegedly murderous actions. More importantly, in my view, the possibility that TB and DM's lives may have previously crossed in some way entirely unknown to TB but perhaps arising from his business endeavours. Perhaps somebody else has a clearer grasp of the issue. As I say, I can't find the earlier posts for reference. (Incidentally, apart from being very impressed by his financial achievements at such an early age, the only direct question I, for one, have posed about TB's affairs was a request for his business name. I'm not sure why that would be problematical, but that's ok, if it is an issue.)

 

[bessie]

DM is accused of three murders. TB is a dead victim accused of nothing. There's a significant difference, and digging around in TB's background to make a comparison is out of bounds.

 

[Carli]

DM is accused of three murders. TB is a dead victim accused of nothing. There's a significant difference, and digging around in TB's background to make a comparison is out of bounds.

NP, Bessie and thanks for the ruling. May we also extend the same courtesy and respect to WM and LB? I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated by their families. Thanks.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I notice that DM's Wikipedia page has been deleted, but Google still has a custom search result for him, though he's now listed as "Pilot" by profession (whereas if you click the link Father WM, WM is identified as a "Businessperson").

Altogether Google has created custom pages for
DM
DM > Parents > MB
DM > Parents > WM

I thought that this info was Wikipedia-derived, and once it may have been, but it seems Google is creating their own content database as well.

 

[swedie]

I think the purpose was explained in some detail, but I can't seem to find those posts now. It had something to do with the in depth examination of other victims (and other family members and friends) personal and professional lives as having potentially influenced DM's allegedly murderous actions. More importantly, in my view, the possibility that TB and DM's lives may have previously crossed in some way entirely unknown to TB but perhaps arising from his business endeavours. Perhaps somebody else has a clearer grasp of the issue. As I say, I can't find the earlier posts for reference. (Incidentally, apart from being very impressed by his financial achievements at such an early age, the only direct question I, for one, have posed about TB's affairs was a request for his business name. I'm not sure why that would be problematical, but that's ok, if it is an issue.)

HTH Carli.

Kavanaugh said Bosma had no connection to Millard and no criminal record. The image emerging of Bosma since his disappearance -- that of a devoted family man and devout Christian -- is true, he said.

"The picture being painted of Mr. Bosma is what we found in our investigation," he said.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/14/police-update-tim-bosma-case

 

[Carli]

HTH Carli.

Kavanaugh said Bosma had no connection to Millard and no criminal record. The image emerging of Bosma since his disappearance -- that of a devoted family man and devout Christian -- is true, he said.

"The picture being painted of Mr. Bosma is what we found in our investigation," he said.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/14/police-update-tim-bosma-case

Respectfully, I'm not sure why you would omit to highlight the most relevant part of my sentence. ".... More importantly, in my view, the possibility that DB and DM's lives may have previously crossed in some way entirely unknown to TB but perhaps arising from his business endeavours.

I note the date of the Sun article was May 14 so it well may be that LE engaged in a forensic examination of TB and DM's businesses during the previous week in order to accurately conclude there was absolutely no previous association of any kind. But is that a reasonable assumption?

Personally, I haven't the slightest doubt that TB was a terrific young son, husband and father whose life was needlessly and brutally cut short causing great pain and sorrow for everyone he left behind.

However, if I may say so, many seem to get stuck on the idea that any questions about this victim's life and work is some kind of backhanded (and supremely stupid) attack on the man, his family, his religion, etc. Very regrettable, IMO, because it closes down numerous potential avenues of inquiry even though the questions contemplated are entirely devoid of negative commentary of any kind.

For example, who won the HVAC contract for the hangar - if there was one and, if so, were there any ramifications to that successful bid? Did any MillardAir employees or their family members touch on the lives of TB or his family? If so, in what way and what relevance, if any, might such associations open for consideration? Did TB or his family have other personal or professional links of any kind to the airport that may have indirectly contributed to the crime? If so, what were they? Were there any professional services in common - same accountant; same lawyer; same realtor; same dentist; same ISP? Whatever. I don't know, some area of commonality that could be a start point for unraveling the numerous puzzling aspects that some people (including myself) still consider to be associated with this murder. IMO. That being said, I am entirely unwilling to continue treading along this path, however softly. IMHO. "Here be dragons." MOO. IMHO. etc.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Respectfully, I'm not sure why you would omit to highlight the most relevant part of my sentence. ".... More importantly, in my view, the possibility that DB and DM's lives may have previously crossed in some way entirely unknown to TB but perhaps arising from his business endeavours.

I note the date of the Sun article was May 14 so it well may be that LE engaged in a forensic examination of TB and DM's businesses during the previous week in order to accurately conclude there was absolutely no previous association of any kind. But is that a reasonable assumption?

Yes. It's been only two months less than two years since TB was killed, and LE had not seen fit to correct their position, so no doubt what was true remains true.

 

[Carli]

I'm not sure if some or any of these links might be useful but here are the names and URLS or other contact numbers for all the business listings situated at the Waterloo airport circa January 2013.

http://archive-ca.com/page/1138344/...rt.ca/en/abouttheairport/airportcommunity.asp

 

[Tamarind]

I'm not sure if some or any of these links might be useful but here are the names and URLS or other contact numbers for all the business listings situated at the Waterloo airport circa January 2013.

http://archive-ca.com/page/1138344/...rt.ca/en/abouttheairport/airportcommunity.asp

One observation (haven't had time to thoroughly browse) is that a few of the businesses do maintenance and repair. Was competition friendly?

 

[SnooperDuper]

One observation (haven't had time to thoroughly browse) is that a few of the businesses do maintenance and repair. Was competition friendly?

Given that the MA MRO was built to service much larger airplanes than had ever landed at that airport, you would think they had their own niche there, as no one else there could handle planes as large as MA could.

 

[Tamarind]

Given that the MA MRO was built to service much larger airplanes than had ever landed at that airport, you would think they had their own niche there, as no one else there could handle planes as large as MA could.

Unless of course they were waiting to purchase the MA hangar at some point in the future.

 

[matou]

Thrill kill motive?

James Van Allen, former head of the OPP's criminal profiling unit, believes whoever is responsible had murder in mind from the get-go.

"This could have been a standard carjacking: overpower him, leave him," said Van Allen, who heads the Behavioural Sciences Group in Langley, B.C.

"But we see a determination here to not be detected, to delay discovery or identification of the body. When Mr. Bosma went for the test drive, he was a marked man."

He added that the killer is someone who is exploitive, abusive, lacks any empathy and is a risk-taker.


The murder deviates from what is typically seen in the car theft racket, he said, where excessive violence is not the norm.


"This is too elaborate to steal one truck; to have these allegations of multiple people involved, multiple attempts to access a truck."


What doesn't add up, he said, is why anyone would murder for a truck. And "is the crime incongruent with the person charged?"

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/

 

[matou]

But the profiler also pointed out that simply because someone has an education and money — Millard lived on a street in Etobicoke where his neighbour's house was recently listed for just under $1.6 million — it doesn't mean they aren't capable of heinous acts.

"It's not uncommon for allegedly smart people to be caught by police for crimes like this. They think they are smart enough to commit a crime but don't have the skills to avoid detection. There is often overconfidence there. And there can be risk gratification involved as well."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/

 

[matou]

"It was a plan, but not a great plan," said Van Allen. "It displays overconfidence and inexperience. This is someone who thinks a half-hearted effort is enough — someone not accounting for the lengths to which police will go to solve this crime."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/

 

[matou]

It's great that a reporter noticed his weird obit for Wayne, referring to him as "Father", capital-F-Father-weird. And referring to himself in the third person, like he's a character in a story or something.

In the obituary published last December, he referred to himself in the third person ("He is survived by his son Dellen Millard") and went on to claim his father "read and spoke five languages" and then listed the three figures Wayne Millard most admired: "Christ, Gandhi and Lindberg" — misspelling the name of Charles Lindbergh, one of the most famous aviators in history.
In the obituary, he refers to his dad as "Father": "For Father piloting wasn't just his job but his freedom … He was a man of vision. Yet To Be Realized."
Following the death of his grandfather, Dellen Millard posted on an aviators' chat forum when it appeared that commentators were suggesting Carl Millard had been a difficult man.
Millard again referenced himself in the third person ("Yes that was his grandson who soloed in fixed and rotary wing aircraft back in 99") and added in defence of his grandfather, "For those of you who knew him, thank you for your kind stories … for those who cast misjudgment so freely yet ignorantly, it's a shame, because you missed out."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/

 

[Juballee]

Thrill kill motive?

James Van Allen, former head of the OPP's criminal profiling unit, believes whoever is responsible had murder in mind from the get-go.


Wha
"This could have been a standard carjacking: overpower him, leave him," said Van Allen, who heads the Behavioural Sciences Group in Langley, B.C.

"But we see a determination here to not be detected, to delay discovery or identification of the body. When Mr. Bosma went for the test drive, he was a marked man."

He added that the killer is someone who is exploitive, abusive, lacks any empathy and is a risk-taker.


The murder deviates from what is typically seen in the car theft racket, he said, where excessive violence is not the norm.


"This is too elaborate to steal one truck; to have these allegations of multiple people involved, multiple attempts to access a truck."


What doesn't add up, he said, is why anyone would murder for a truck. And "is the crime incongruent with the person charged?"

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/

I'm sorry, but to me, an article written in the earliest stages of the investigation, when no one had any idea what was going on, written by someone so completely removed from the scene as to be on the West Coast, who has absolutely no connection to the case, does nothing to validate an idea that the lead detective clearly and flatly denied.

If a "thrill kill" is the only possible motive that could fit in some people's opinions, then I think that the jury may have a hard time convicting on that when the defence calls in expert witnesses who refute the notion that it exists, or when they call Matt Kavanaugh to the stand and he repeats that he doesn't even know what that means.

Is there no other possible motive?

 

[Tamarind]

It's great that a reporter noticed his weird obit for Wayne, referring to him as "Father", capital-F-Father-weird. And referring to himself in the third person, like he's a character in a story or something.


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/

Lets have the obit here to reference:

WAYNE C. MILLARD Wayne C. Millard has passed. He is survived by son Dellen Millard. For those who wish to gather in fond memory of Wayne, there will be a reception from 12:00 to 5:00 p.m. on Saturday, December 15, 2012 at Vinsanto Ristorante, 28 Roytec Road, Vaughan, ON. What few words could make comment here... His hope was for a time when cooperation would be the norm and competition was only friendly. He was frugal with himself and generous to others. The only people he feared were racists. He would answer a question with a story. He stepped carefully while advocating carefreeness. He could read and write five languages. He was patient and stubborn. He admired Christ, Gandhi and Lindbergh. He believed animal welfare was a humanitarian effort. He was a good man in a careless world. He was my father. A Master Pilot... Many who knew Wayne Millard, knew him as a pilot. Rightfully so, as he defined himself by the responsibilities of the trade. I now carry his pilot's license in my wallet. It's a good photo. Beside it are noted the type certificates he held. It's a long list from B747s and B757s, to DC3s and L101s, to BH47s and HU500s. For Father piloting wasn't just his job, it was his freedom. A Humanitarian... Wayne supported, organized, and helped fund many missions on behalf of animal welfare. Sponsor a Dog, the Canadian Flora & Fauna Society, Canadian Wildlife Film Productions, the Sea Shepherd Society and the Toronto Humane Society, only to name a few. He saw a future for mankind where we do not pollute our environment or subjugate animal lives to our industry. He was a man of vision. Yet To Be Realized... His last, still unlaunched, animal welfare mission is accepting donations to the 'Elizabeth Glass Animal Welfare Fund', 5 Maple Gate Court, Etobicoke, ON M9C 2K4. He believed we can make a difference in the world. With Wayne in my heart, I believe we must. - See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?pid=161695472#sthash.3oUKLbAv.dpuf


First of all, English people call their fathers 'father' sometimes, nothing unusual here, DM's mother was English.

The name Lindbergh is spelled correctly FWIW

The capital F for Father is likened to the words: Many, Humanitarian and Yet To Be Realized, which are also capitalized indicating a style of writing and not a psychopath. IMO There are a couple of other points of interest in the writing style for me, I would love to see the letters that are floating around allegedly from DM. MOO

 

[ABro]

I'm sorry, but to me, an article written in the earliest stages of the investigation, when no one had any idea what was going on, written by someone so completely removed from the scene as to be on the West Coast, who has absolutely no connection to the case, does nothing to validate an idea that the lead detective clearly and flatly denied.

If a "thrill kill" is the only possible motive that could fit in some people's opinions, then I think that the jury may have a hard time convicting on that when the defence calls in expert witnesses who refute the notion that it exists, or when they call Matt Kavanaugh to the stand and he repeats that he doesn't even know what that means.

Is there no other possible motive?

Neither Kavanagh nor anyone else knew the motive at that point in time. And even if thrill kill were a possibility his team was considering, it would have been highly irresponsible for him to speculate publicly. He also had a duty to the BOsma family.

It's interesting how you refer to a former OPP detective with decades of experience as someone on the west coast. It's yet another attempt to discredit anyone who makes DM look bad.

 

[Tamarind]

I'm sorry, but to me, an article written in the earliest stages of the investigation, when no one had any idea what was going on, written by someone so completely removed from the scene as to be on the West Coast, who has absolutely no connection to the case, does nothing to validate an idea that the lead detective clearly and flatly denied.

If a "thrill kill" is the only possible motive that could fit in some people's opinions, then I think that the jury may have a hard time convicting on that when the defence calls in expert witnesses who refute the notion that it exists, or when they call Matt Kavanaugh to the stand and he repeats that he doesn't even know what that means.

Is there no other possible motive?

I find it strange that if this is a supposed 'thrill kill' why not just leave him for dead where it occurred? Why go to great lengths to position evidence in what appears to be deliberately placed locations ( to some of us anyway, MOO ) Surely if its a 'thrill kill' the thrill is over at the time of the killing. Must have taken some of the thrill away to have to trek to Vaughan and then make sure that incinerator was moved to a visible spot. JMO