Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory

[matou]

I wonder if CN is a friend of Smich? How did she enter into the whole scene anyway? She would have been entering University, was she on the Millardair "payroll" for something? Was she a party goer at DM's get togethers?

Also: there is another condo already lived in at the Distillery so who was living there?

Last question that I have asked before: does DM own a yacht and have it docked somewhere at Toronto Harbour?

 

[matou]

Unfortunately a source of fb photos is gone now.

 

[Kamille]

I don't think DM had a yacht in the harbour. I think he did rent one whenever the mood struck him though. Much cheaper that way. He's frugal you know

There were lots of pictures of people at the distillery condo, male and female. MS, CN and LB were not in them. I think this was his "non criminal" group of friends who hung out with their rich friend at his condo. He likely had the condo because his father was still alive and partying at the Maple Gate house wasn't welcome, not to mention awkward when wanting to "entertain a lady". Plus the condo was downtown. How cool is that? Look at what I can provide for my friends for their entertainment. Oh...did you check out my assorted big screen TV's with game systems attached? Pullleeze. He was buying friends. Cause no matter what, inside he was still that weird overweight kid who ate dog biscuits in school for attention and was ridiculed.

Now CN could have been part of this group but her association with DM as a girlfriend pretty much ensured that she would be drawn into both groups eventually. It was her decision whether to continue with the relationship once she knew her boyfriend's "other side". Looks like she made the wrong decision. Or perhaps she was a hanger on at the hangar (no pun intended ) during the drug fueled parties and he met her that way. So she was up for anything as long as there were drugs and free good times involved. I'd like to know if the fiancé ever got to see the "other side" of DM and got the heck out of dodge when she realized what he was all about.

MOO

 

[swedie]

I wonder if CN's arrest is something as simple as after the fact, DM went to her and told her how he innocently went with MS for the test drive of Tim's truck and during the test drive MS murdered Tim. That DM was shocked and got so scared, he helped MS get rid of evidence. Being as he told her and she didn't go to LE with what she knew, could that bring the charges against her? Was May 9th the day DM could have told her what happened? Now LE have arrested her hoping she will provide them with everything she knows about DM and MS.

I still have to wonder and it seems to make sense now that she was the one driving DM's Yukon that fateful night, dropping them off. I think her information alone will be very telling when we finally get to hear her side of the story. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Well all I have to say is if I were to hijack a truck, first I would get the victim's cell phone from them, so that they could not call LE the second I forced them out of their vehicle.

The next thing I would do is disable the cell phone (take the battery out).

However, it seems that this was not on MS's or DM's minds, as an hour after TB disappeared, SB started calling, triggering MS and DM to disable the phone and ditch it.

“I gave him one hour,” she said. “Then I started calling and texting.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/15/tim_bosma_comes_home_heartbreakingly_in_a_small_box.html

So at 10:20, DM, MS and the truck were somewhere near where LE was spotted searching:

On the ground in Brantford, police officers were spotted searching near Fen Ridge Court and Oak Park Road. Other officers were seen near the bottom of the embankment off Powerline Road near the Grand River.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2558160-tim-bosma-search-moves-to-brantford/

And it would take 20 minutes to get from TB's home to that location, if you used the 403. 40 minutes missing: what'd they do, drop by SS's for a visit?

LE said on May 8, that they had some data from TB's phone and that would certainly include the period between 9:20 and 10:20 pm. So they would have the route that they took to/through Brantford up to the point were the phone was disabled and discarded.

Also showing data along that route would be the burner phone and any smartphones owned by the 3 suspects.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Last paragraph quote..."Kijiji maintains that Bosma was not targeted through their site. In a statement, the website said Bosma never posted any contact information in the body of his Kijiji ad, nor was he contacted through the site by any potential buyers."
Huh? Does this make sense? How was anyone to know where to contact TB in order for them to buy the truck? :banghead:

He also had the ad on AutoTrader.

From AutoTrader's privacy policy page:

Some information that we may collect, like your email address or your IP address, might enable someone to identify you personally. We call this type of information "Personally Identifying Information," and we use our best efforts to maintain the confidentiality of this type of information. This category does not include any personally identifying information that you choose to post in publicly accessible areas of the Website.

http://www.autotrader.ca/general/info/privacy.aspx

 

[SnooperDuper]

On Kijiji you have the option of remaining anonymous and having people contact you through the site, rather than posting a phone number or email address for people to contact you directly off the site. It appears that Tim did this, I've seen the ad. And Kijiji is saying that no one contacted him through the site so therefore they are claiming that DM did not use Kijiji to contact TB. They are likely trying to do damage control to their business name. It already has a bad reputation as it is.

TB also advertised with Auto Trader. I have no idea what was put in that ad. I guess the assumption then should be that TB was contacted through the Auto Trader ad? I don't think anyone was able to pull that one. They have managed to keep their name out of this though. I think the assumption is still that it was a Kijiji ad that led DM to TB.

MOO

I think Auto Trader had good reason to try and keep the name clean. There is a close association there. MS's sister is part of the advertising team for Auto Trader. Here she's listed as the sites "senior cultivator". (BTW she has married and changed her surname now.)

http://strategyonline.ca/2013/01/28/cassies-grand-prix-autotrader-boasts-the-most-cars-in-one-place/

 

[Kamille]

Well all I have to say is if I were to hijack a truck, first I would get the victim's cell phone from them, so that they could not call LE the second I forced them out of their vehicle.

The next thing I would do is disable the cell phone (take the battery out).

However, it seems that this was not on MS's or DM's minds, as an hour after TB disappeared, SB started calling, triggering MS and DM to disable the phone and ditch it.



http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/15/tim_bosma_comes_home_heartbreakingly_in_a_small_box.html

So at 10:20, DM, MS and the truck were somewhere near where LE was spotted searching:



http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2558160-tim-bosma-search-moves-to-brantford/

And it would take 20 minutes to get from TB's home to that location, if you used the 403. 40 minutes missing: what'd they do, drop by SS's for a visit?

LE said on May 8, that they had some data from TB's phone and that would certainly include the period between 9:20 and 10:20 pm. So they would have the route that they took to/through Brantford up to the point were the phone was disabled and discarded.

Also showing data along that route would be the burner phone and any smartphones owned by the 3 suspects.

How do we know that the phone was not already long discarded when SB started calling and texting? Wasn't the phone found disabled, without the battery? The very act of disabling the phone would generate a ping. So it may have been long before SB started calling and texting that the phone was disabled and discarded?

 

[Kamille]

I think Auto Trader had good reason to try and keep the name clean. There is a close association there. MS's sister is part of the advertising team for Auto Trader. Here she's listed as the sites "senior cultivator". (BTW she has married and changed her surname now.)

http://strategyonline.ca/2013/01/28/cassies-grand-prix-autotrader-boasts-the-most-cars-in-one-place/

How ironic. Was she part of that organization at the time of the murder? That's just one of those strange circumstances that show up in cases that likely have nothing to do with it but they are just weird.

I did find the IP address info interesting. Does Auto Trader still put out the hard copy book? I can't remember how that works. Is it possible that IP addresses who clicked on an online add were checked into? Or was the truck advertised in the book that people purchase at the local convenience store?

 

[SnooperDuper]

How ironic. Was she part of that organization at the time of the murder? That's just one of those strange circumstances that show up in cases that likely have nothing to do with it but they are just weird.

Agency DBB has held the Auto Trader account from at least 2012 and that's MS's sister's current employer. ETA: and she was employed there all this time...whether she was still working on the account...dunno. I guess you could look into that.

I did find the IP address info interesting. Does Auto Trader still put out the hard copy book? I can't remember how that works. Is it possible that IP addresses who clicked on an online add were checked into? Or was the truck advertised in the book that people purchase at the local convenience store?

They don't print the magazine anymore - that's why they hired DBB, to go all digital.

If you visit Auto Trader, the site stores your IP in a cookie...no cookies, most likely that info is stored server side.

 

[lanman]

Well all I have to say is if I were to hijack a truck, first I would get the victim's cell phone from them, so that they could not call LE the second I forced them out of their vehicle.

The next thing I would do is disable the cell phone (take the battery out).

However, it seems that this was not on MS's or DM's minds, as an hour after TB disappeared, SB started calling, triggering MS and DM to disable the phone and ditch it.



http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/15/tim_bosma_comes_home_heartbreakingly_in_a_small_box.html

So at 10:20, DM, MS and the truck were somewhere near where LE was spotted searching:



http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2558160-tim-bosma-search-moves-to-brantford/

And it would take 20 minutes to get from TB's home to that location, if you used the 403. 40 minutes missing: what'd they do, drop by SS's for a visit?

LE said on May 8, that they had some data from TB's phone and that would certainly include the period between 9:20 and 10:20 pm. So they would have the route that they took to/through Brantford up to the point were the phone was disabled and discarded.

Also showing data along that route would be the burner phone and any smartphones owned by the 3 suspects.

"He hasn't been seen since Monday around 9:20 p.m., when he went for a test-drive with the men."

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/09/toronto-police-back-at-farm-where-tim-bosmas-remains-found (underneath picture 30)

"Police found the phone in an industrial area near Brantford; they say they’re able to get records of calls made to Bosma’s cell phone before it was shut off at about 10 p.m. on Monday. "

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...ive-with-two-strange-men-and-never-came-back/

Using those statements, the phone was shut off 40 minutes after TB was last seen. According to Google maps, it's 38 minutes from his home to Oak Park Road. That doesn't leave much time to stop anywhere along the way.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Using those statements, the phone was shut off 40 minutes after TB was last seen. According to Google maps, it's 38 minutes from his home to Oak Park Road. That doesn't leave much time to stop anywhere along the way.

Using Google Maps, I get 20 minutes

 

[lanman]

Using Google Maps, I get 20 minutes

There were reports of the truck being spotted in downtown Brantford, which would make highway 2 the more likely route, not the 403. Sorry, I failed to mention that was the route I was referring to. (Trinity Rd, Hwy 2, Colborne, Dalhousie, Brant Ave, Paris Rd, Hardy Rd, Oak Park )

 

[SnooperDuper]

There were reports of the truck being spotted in downtown Brantford, which would make highway 2 the more likely route, not the 403. Sorry, I failed to mention that was the route I was referring to. (Trinity Rd, Hwy 2, Colborne, Dalhousie, Brant Ave, Paris Rd, Hardy Rd, Oak Park )

22 minutes to downtown brantford, where truck was seen at 10:10, 50 minutes after TB disappeared:

13 minutes to cell dump site...SB is calling at 10:20 and cell dumped no sooner than 10:23?

ETA: It's about 6 minutes (south) from downtown Brantford to SS's then address.

 

[swedie]

22 minutes to downtown brantford, where truck was seen at 10:10, 50 minutes after TB disappeared:

13 minutes to cell dump site...SB is calling at 10:20 and cell dumped no sooner than 10:23?

ETA: It's about 6 minutes (south) from downtown Brantford to SS's then address.

I personally don't think SS was in any way involved, or that they had any intentions of getting approval from anyone before they decided to steal Tim's truck. I believe from the get go their intention was to steal a truck and not purchase one, but that's JMO. And had they swung by SS's place, wouldn't you think it would have taken him some time to go over the vehicle and give approval or disapproval? Maybe I'm not clear as to what you're implying by your post Snooper. MOO.

 

[Kamille]

22 minutes to downtown brantford, where truck was seen at 10:10, 50 minutes after TB disappeared:

13 minutes to cell dump site...SB is calling at 10:20 and cell dumped no sooner than 10:23?

ETA: It's about 6 minutes (south) from downtown Brantford to SS's then address.

Even more reason why SS should have been on the test drive with DM instead of MS. If the intention was just to test drive a truck to purchase.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I personally don't think SS was in any way involved, or that they had any intentions of getting approval from anyone before they decided to steal Tim's truck. I believe from the get go their intention was to steal a truck and not purchase one, but that's JMO. And had they swung by SS's place, wouldn't you think it would have taken him some time to go over the vehicle and give approval or disapproval? Maybe I'm not clear as to what you're implying by your post Snooper. MOO.

Just that it took them 50 minutes to get to downtown Brantford from TB's place, so you have to wonder where they were in the interim.

Of course the test drive could have taken them south or west and then to backtrack and head to Brantford, that would have eaten up time.

And of course to have gas for what is going to be a total drive time of more than an hour, they may have had to stop to hide the body and stop again for gas.

Or they could have for some reason swung by SS's place.

Even more reason why SS should have been on the test drive with DM instead of MS. If the intention was just to test drive a truck to purchase.

MOO

Yes, you would think is DM was doing some serious truck shopping, he would have taken a mechanic, not a mercenary, with him.

 

[Alethea Dice]

So, in order of occurrences:

9:20 - leave for test drive
10:00 - cell phone turned off
10:10 - in downtown Brantford
10:20 - SB starts calling

So the cell phone was already turned off before SB started calling and was dumped at around the same time that she started calling?

If that missing 30 minutes is when the murder happened, why would they drive through downtown Brantford with a dead body in the truck?

Did anyone ever find any other connection that these two have with Brantford?

 

[Kamille]

Just that it took them 50 minutes to get to downtown Brantford from TB's place, so you have to wonder where they were in the interim.

Of course the test drive could have taken them south or west and then to backtrack and head to Brantford, that would have eaten up time.

And of course to have gas for what is going to be a total drive time of more than an hour, they may have had to stop to hide the body and stop again for gas.

Or they could have for some reason swung by SS's place.



Yes, you would think is DM was doing some serious truck shopping, he would have taken a mechanic, not a mercenary, with him.

I think you have to incorporate the murder of Tim Bosma into the timeline. And it would have been before they were driving through Brantford I would think.

MOO

 

[hopingforjustice]

I think you have to incorporate the murder of Tim Bosma into the timeline. And it would have been before they were driving through Brantford I would think.

MOO

And I am suspecting that they would have moved him to the back seat...as I believe the back seat had been removed... probably soiled.. JMO

ETA: There are many little side roads off of #2 that they could have gone down to hide for a while. Just a side note: Turning left from anywhere on #2 heading into Brantford would take you into reservation territory and some areas are quite nice and others are pretty run down and deserted.

And also, if they carried down #2 they could quite easily have hooked back up with the 403 at Garden Ave. to take them to highway 24 which would take them right into Cambridge and zig zag over to Roseville road quite easily