Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory

[andreww]

And it never ceases to amaze me how seemingly bright young women with everything going for them end up with losers like this. CN could have had her pick of just about any man in the room and DM is the that she chooses????

 

[Alethea Dice]

She hasn't even been given the opportunity to post bond. Her lawyer has disclosure, but has not applied for bail. Must have received some pretty damning evidence.

She's not a school girl, she's was a university student.

You don't think LE had wiretaps on CN from ever prior to 6/6/2013, when LE publicly cleared her of involvement, until she was picked up on 4/10/2014? DM tried to contact her repeatedly. LE knew she wasn't a threat, so they left her on the outside so that they could intercept messages between her and DM.

LE played this gang of fools once again.

Regarding the bolded part, can you please provide more information or a link to this information? I realize it was stated in a blog post, but would appreciate a link to something other than an opinion. Is the fact that DM mentioned they were in love in his jailhouse interview interpreted as consistently trying to send messages through people who visited him in jail? How did he try to contact her "repeatedly'? Since CN was on the no contact list, I have a hard time believing that LE would be trying to trap them by intercepting messages. I would appreciate some information as to where this knowledge comes from or how he was trying to contact her.

TIA

 

[andreww]

Regarding the bolded part, can you please provide more information or a link to this information? I realize it was stated in a blog post, but would appreciate a link to something other than an opinion. Is the fact that DM mentioned they were in love in his jailhouse interview interpreted as consistently trying to send messages through people who visited him in jail? How did he try to contact her "repeatedly'? Since CN was on the no contact list, I have a hard time believing that LE would be trying to trap them by intercepting messages. I would appreciate some information as to where this knowledge comes from or how he was trying to contact her.

TIA

I would actually be astounded if she wasn't being monitored 24/7 after DMs arrest. Not that I think he would be able to contact her directly, but I do believe that he would try and recruit visitors to give her his messages.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I would actually be astounded if she wasn't being monitored 24/7 after DMs arrest. Not that I think he would be able to contact her directly, but I do believe that he would try and recruit visitors to give her his messages.

Oh, I imagine she was being monitored very closely. But what I'm asking is if his repeated attempts to message her are actual fact or just opinion stated as fact. I believe in the earlier conversations on here, he wasn't believed to have many visitors other than his mother. Considering the no contact list, is it now believed that all their mutual friends are now visiting him in jail?

 

[newone]

I think she might be right where she wants to be ... well the safest place for her right now anyways ... If this is as involved as it looks like it might be. If anyone hasnt yet read through the MWJ thread (the guy who sold DM the gun for the WM killing), please take the time to do so. This case is getting more and more involved by the minute. Some crazy s$*t!

I think that might be why no bail request as of yet...

JMO of course

I wondered too if she was actually being kept there for safekeeping until the trial.

 

[andreww]

But is there any evidence that MWJ was anything more than an acquaintance?

 

[andreww]

I wondered too if she was actually being kept there for safekeeping until the trial.

Why, MWJ ain't going away, for long anyway.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Regarding the bolded part, can you please provide more information or a link to this information? I realize it was stated in a blog post, but would appreciate a link to something other than an opinion. Is the fact that DM mentioned they were in love in his jailhouse interview interpreted as consistently trying to send messages through people who visited him in jail? How did he try to contact her "repeatedly'? Since CN was on the no contact list, I have a hard time believing that LE would be trying to trap them by intercepting messages. I would appreciate some information as to where this knowledge comes from or how he was trying to contact her.

TIA

Just the blog post:

Before she was arrested, Dellen Millard consistently tried to send Noudga messages through the people who visited him in jail despite the fact that she was on a list of people with whom he was ordered to have no contact.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/christina-noudga

So ask AnnB on that

 

[JPC]

Another month, another court appearance. I suspect this will be another quick appearance.
http://www.cp24.com/three-suspects-in-murder-of-tim-bosma-set-to-appear-in-court-1.1876062

 

[Alethea Dice]

Just the blog post:


http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/christina-noudga

So ask AnnB on that

Thanks, SnooperDuper. That's all I could find too. Perhaps AnnB can clarify where/who this information comes from.

 

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[matou]

@susanclairmont
Millard, Smich, Noudga, accused in Tim #Bosma murder, to make brief video appearance today. They'll be put over to Aug. 7 by video.

Ugh. It's gonna be a long summer.

 

[JPC]

Crown Applies To Take Case Straight To Trial
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...rown_applies_to_take_case_right_to_trial.html

Looks like they have some strong evidence to bypass a preliminary hearing. I wonder if someone is talking or if LE was able to obtain the evidence through hard drives and other forensic means. Happy to see that this has picked up the pace a bit.

 

[matou]

Awesome. Just like in the Michael Rafferty trial. Trying for no preliminary hearing in the murder of Tim Bosma.

From a Crown’s standpoint, going straight to trial can speed up the judicial process, reduce violations of publication bans, spare witnesses from testifying twice and the victim’s family from going through two lengthy hearings, and keep the defence from knowing the Crown’s strategy.
For the defence, it eliminates the opportunity to prove to a judge that there is insufficient evidence for a trial and takes away the chance to hear the Crown’s case.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...rown_applies_to_take_case_right_to_trial.html

 

[matou]

Speeding up this trial will alleviate issues with the two other cases too I think. Any legal eagles out there that can explain?

 

[Carli]

Regardless of whether one believes the accused to be guilty or not, it is shocking to consider that due process and the rights of the accused to a fair trial guaranteed by the Criminal Code can apparently be curtailed if there is sufficient community/ political pressure to skip the Preliminary Hearing stage. (In this case, MSM has reported, the Prosecution has also been slow to provide or has neglected to provide Discovery documents, too.) This is not Salem, Massachusetts circa 1660. This is Canada in the 21st century. Why would we accept that it's ok to withhold evidence from the defense in order to gain advantage at trial? The charges at hand have not "taken years" to get through the system. The victim's relatives have shown no hesitation in publically repeating their tragic story. Given the realistic presentation of grisly murders on TV crime dramas, not to mention the real life carnage we're subjected to on every evening's newscasts, does anybody really think that the details of a murder presented at a Preliminary Hearing are too much for the public to bear? So what exactly is the "political reason" for the Prosecutors to take this course? Is it somehow related to the "biggest seizure of computer data in Ontario's history"? Is it related to the extraordinary amount of well organized public interest in this case? What's going on????

Although the Criminal Code of Canada gives an accused charged with a serious offence the right to a preliminary hearing, that right isn’t guaranteed by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Direct indictments are permitted by the Criminal Code but are more of a bureaucratic or political decision than a legal one.

They are approved by the attorney general or deputy attorney general rather than by a judge in a courtroom....

Snipped by me

...Alan Young, a professor at Osgoode Hall Law School at York University, calls the direct indictment provision “a historical relic” that is rarely used and often questionable.
He says it can be used successfully in a case that has “taken years to get through the system” and the attorney general sees as needing a push to get to the trial.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/20/tim_bosma_murder_crown_applies_to_take_case_right_to_trial.html

 

[SnooperDuper]

Regardless of whether one believes the accused to be guilty or not, it is shocking to consider that due process and the rights of the accused to a fair trial guaranteed by the Criminal Code can apparently be curtailed if there is sufficient community/ political pressure to skip the Preliminary Hearing stage. (In this case, MSM has reported, the Prosecution has also been slow to provide or has neglected to provide Discovery documents, too.) This is not Salem, Massachusetts circa 1660. This is Canada in the 21st century. Why would we accept that it's ok to withhold evidence from the defense in order to gain advantage at trial? The charges at hand have not "taken years" to get through the system. The victim's relatives have shown no hesitation in publically repeating their tragic story. Given the realistic presentation of grisly murders on TV crime dramas, not to mention the real life carnage we're subjected to on every evening's newscasts, does anybody really think that the details of a murder presented at a Preliminary Hearing are too much for the public to bear? So what exactly is the "political reason" for the Prosecutors to take this course? Is it somehow related to the "biggest seizure of computer data in Ontario's history"? Is it related to the extraordinary amount of well organized public interest in this case? What's going on????



http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/20/tim_bosma_murder_crown_applies_to_take_case_right_to_trial.html

High public sentiment. And it depends on how big this thing blows up. (so, yeah, the "biggest seizure of computer data in Ontario's history".) If they can tie in Rob Ford, Kim Kardashian and Bomba to DM and MS, they be showin this thing in IMAX.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

High public sentiment. And it depends on how big this thing blows up. (so, yeah, the "biggest seizure of computer data in Ontario's history".) If they can tie in Rob Ford, Kim Kardashian and Bomba to DM and MS, they be showin this thing in IMAX.

bbm

Why not tie in ... who knows ...?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Regardless of whether one believes the accused to be guilty or not, it is shocking to consider that due process and the rights of the accused to a fair trial guaranteed by the Criminal Code can apparently be curtailed if there is sufficient community/ political pressure to skip the Preliminary Hearing stage. (In this case, MSM has reported, the Prosecution has also been slow to provide or has neglected to provide Discovery documents, too.) This is not Salem, Massachusetts circa 1660. This is Canada in the 21st century. Why would we accept that it's ok to withhold evidence from the defense in order to gain advantage at trial? The charges at hand have not "taken years" to get through the system. The victim's relatives have shown no hesitation in publically repeating their tragic story. Given the realistic presentation of grisly murders on TV crime dramas, not to mention the real life carnage we're subjected to on every evening's newscasts, does anybody really think that the details of a murder presented at a Preliminary Hearing are too much for the public to bear? So what exactly is the "political reason" for the Prosecutors to take this course? Is it somehow related to the "biggest seizure of computer data in Ontario's history"? Is it related to the extraordinary amount of well organized public interest in this case? What's going on????



http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/20/tim_bosma_murder_crown_applies_to_take_case_right_to_trial.html

I can certainly understand why direct indictments are "rarely used and often questionable". I think, in this particular case, the reasons are likely to fall under the last two points, especially the last one.

Young also says in particularly high-profile cases, bypassing the preliminary hearing may help to ensure publication bans are not breached.

And if the case relates to other cases before the court, the Crown may have concerns about the timing of certain evidence being made public, says Young.

We have 5 trials going on here. (More if the accused end up being tried separately.) One for each of the three murders, one for the accessory after the fact, and one for the selling of an illegal gun. It could entail publication bans on all of the first 4 trials to reduce public knowledge of the evidence being used. That doesn't exactly go with an open justice system with public accountability and the right to know that justice has been done.

JMO

 

[Woodland]

... does anybody really think that the details of a murder presented at a Preliminary Hearing are too much for the public to bear? So what exactly is the "political reason" for the Prosecutors to take this course? Is it somehow related to the "biggest seizure of computer data in Ontario's history"?

Snipped by me for relevance -

Kindly confirm, if possible, that Ontario Courts routinely allow the proceedings of a preliminary hearing for a murder charge to be published.

A quick scan of Ontario Government and Ontario Bar Association sites advise a publication ban of preliminary hearings is routine in order to avoid tainting the jury pool at time of trial, and to protect the rights of the accused.
No mention of the victim(s) or their family that I noticed, but could have missed that.

The same sites advise that the accused can waive the right to a preliminary hearing as well if they choose - seems to me a two way street is fair on that point.