Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory

[KMouse]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/lets-skip-the-preliminaries-266907661.html

recent article on preliminary hearings that I found interesting.

 

[MsSherlock]

HPS are not foreign to convictions without bodies.

" Sandra’s husband Jon Rallo, who worked at Hamilton city hall, killed his wife and children in their family home and dumped their bodies in area waterways. The bodies of Sandra and Stephanie were found within days, but Jason’s body was never found.

In 1977, Rallo was convicted of three counts of first-degree murder. He was sentenced to life in prison, with no chance of parole for 25 years. "

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/2209319-out-of-grief-a-lasting-legacy/

And on another note- IMO, the Pollington's (parents of Rollo's wife) are a clear example of the the pain and torture loved ones face.

"Since 1986, when he first became eligible for escorted temporary absences, members of Sandra’s family have attended every single hearing regarding Rallo’s potential freedom. Doug and Margaret insisted on being informed of every hearing, every change in Rallo’s status."

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/2209319-out-of-grief-a-lasting-legacy/

 

[Alethea Dice]

BBM - How so? The GA finds the accused will get their fair trial, that is why they have abolished the PH in this case and many other cases. The GA has based it's decision on bypassing PH on evidence they received and not by what the Crown says. The Crown has no influence to sway the GA's decision the way they or defense would during a PH involving a judge. So is this to suggest our system isn't fair, it is corrupt by this decision?

I feel some are fearful the Crown has a slam dunk case here and were hoping for a PH, hoping defense would be able to get the accused, one or both off on some ridiculous technicality which DP has been able to do in a few of his past cases. And that is JMHO.

Well, technically, they do. Since the Crown is the only one who makes the submission to the Attorney General, and no one else even knows what's in the submission, the Crown is the only one who can influence the Attorney General.

JMO

 

[swedie]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/lets-skip-the-preliminaries-266907661.html

recent article on preliminary hearings that I found interesting.

Excellent article KMouse, thanks for sharing and nice to see you here. JMO on the snippet below and as I've mentioned before, anyone every consider just maybe the accused would like this case settled and over with. If innocent I'm sure they would like to get the heck out of jail and get on with their lives.

Sometimes these hearings are just a waste of time, money and effort -- a tactic used to delay the inevitable. That's not fair to victims, the general public nor accused persons.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/lets-skip-the-preliminaries-266907661.html

 

[swedie]

Well, technically, they do. Since the Crown is the only one who makes the submission to the Attorney General, and no one else even knows what's in the submission, the Crown is the only one who can influence the Attorney General.

JMO

Respectfully and to what are you suggesting the Crown submits? IMO they are submitting evidence, not conspiracy correspondence. IMO it's not "the Crown" who influences the GA, it's "the submissions". Maybe I missed your point and if this is not what's being implied please clarify as I would greatly appreciate it. TIA. MOO

 

[swedie]

1. How is it less fair? You yourself Swedie, said that this decision is very "telling" and that it must mean the evidence is damning. So if you walk in to a trial with that predisposition, the accused are already guilty in your eyes. However, if the trial started like most (preceded with a PH), there'd be more balanced minds walking in to weigh the evidence. The fact that such a decision was made blurs the presumption of innocence and creates prejudice.

2. Once again, if the Crown had a slam-dunk case, and could prove beyond anyone's doubt that they are guilty, why should any of us be fearful? What some posters here don't seem to understand is that we (we know who "we" means) are not defending DM and MS, we are defending the law and justice. Meaning that if the prosecution has a slam dunk case then that is absolutely amazing, they've got the murderers and justice will be served for dear TB. If it is slam dunk, I for one will be thrilled that the right people were captured. For it is TB that drew me to WS, notwithstanding I developed doubts about the certainty others share about the actual guilt of the accused.

So if you actually think some of us are hoping the accused will get off on a technicality, even if they are in fact guilty, I just don't know how to respond to that that wouldn't get me banned from this site. It is offensive to say the least.

I like to say I have faith in our system the vast majority of the time. And intuition And when many of the puzzle pieces are put in place, you can pretty much get a general idea of what the picture is, so to speak. Now we just need those few last pieces to get the whole picture. Just because I have stated my opinion numerous times I believe DM and MS are guilty based on what information we have thus far, it does not mean that is my final judgement. I'm flexible to change given the evidence to prove otherwise. MOO

Many people if not all who have a fair grasp on background information of a case, when called for jury duty have already formed an opinion of guilt or innocence and it is not abnormal whatsoever, it's merely human instinct. Matter of fact, this is a question commonly asked when seeking out a jury. "Have you formed an opinion as to guilt or innocence on the accused?" The court is hoping for an impartial jury, but in reality that is very difficult to find, especially in high profile cases. IIRC in the Casey Anthony jury selection, there were jurors who answered yes, they believed CA was guilty of murdering her wee one and they got accepted as jurors. Low and behold CA was found not guilty of murdering her precious little girl. HTH and MOO.

And this just in... And I wonder if she meant to say persons or just person. Hmmm.

The ministry’s decision to approve the direct indictment, a first since she became attorney general earlier this year, is a sign of a solid case gathered by prosecutors, Madeleine Meilleur told reporters after question period Wednesday.
“I’m not going to speak about the case, but when this procedure is supported, it’s because there is good evidence that the person being accused will become convicted,” she said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...arantee_verdict_in_tim_bosma_murder_case.html

 

[swedie]

BBM - How so? The GA finds the accused will get their fair trial, that is why they have abolished the PH in this case and many other cases. The GA has based it's decision on bypassing PH on evidence they received and not by what the Crown says. The Crown has no influence to sway the GA's decision the way they or defense would during a PH involving a judge. So is this to suggest our system isn't fair, it is corrupt by this decision?

I feel some are fearful the Crown has a slam dunk case here and were hoping for a PH, hoping defense would be able to get the accused, one or both off on some ridiculous technicality which DP has been able to do in a few of his past cases. And that is JMHO.

These are examples of a few cases where DP got clients off on technicalities. The first one, the part I put in bold, IMHO that is disturbing. He may have gotten this dude off by attacking LE, but here's hoping he lost his daughter. This is what we want for our children and our society? Not me. JMHO.

Most of my cases have been tough. But one of the toughest was the case of Donavan Brown, he was caught red handed with 5 kgs of cocaine on the front seat of his car, his daughter sat at the back. Looking at the evidence, it seemed like a slam dunk for the Crown. We developed a defence, attacked the officers’ credibility and at the end, my client was acquitted.
Another one is the case of a 19-year-old South Asian who came back from India with 12 kgs of heroin hidden in his suitcase. His co-accused testified it was him. I destroyed his credibility and instead of facing 16 to 18 years in jail, I got him out.
Another case is the Albion Mall murder case, where two South Asian groups of young men met at the parking lot and a man was killed with a hammer and pipe. The evidence against them was strong. But at the end of the day, two of the accused were sentenced to life imprisonment, my client was only charged with first degree murder which was reduced to manslaughter.

http://www.canindia.com/2014/03/def...onstitution-criminal-lawyer-deepak-paradkar/#

 

[Arnie M]

I've just spent the last 2 days reading this thread. I was away on Vacation in the states when this all went down and it was just this week that I saw the developments. I'm not surprised at all by what has transpired.

With respect to CN, I think she has clear, and in person knowledge, of the night of the murder of Tim Bosma. She may not have been party to it but I believe she was at the Ayr property on the night that Tim Bosma was murdered and drove DM from the property while MS did whatever with TB's truck. She continued to either cover for him or assist him however was required. I believe she knew about LB and that she knew about WM.

This girl knows LOTS in my opinion and like a house of cards, which DM built, it only takes one to fall. With CN being arrested, the others in this "tight little band of brothers" may be talking because they know stuff too. Not necessarily the details of the murder but they will have information that will help.

I think CN knew she was in trouble and she started covering her tracks. She hired a lawyer. She knew it was coming down on her. LE either knew about her involvement and left her out there to catch others or they suspected and left her to see what would happen. Either way, I think they got something.

This crew is young, full of themselves, and they feel invincible. I don't think they're going to stay so smug when they realize all the evidence LE has on them.

Hi Tealgrove .... I noticed Police were specific that CN was charged with being an accessory on May 9th 2013 so it does not sound like she was involved in the murder itself. Reading between the lines of the various news reports it almost sounds like she was trying to help DM cover his tracks , or manufacture an alibi or something , I am guessing Police may have been listening to calls or messages between them.

Best wishes , welcome back , look forward to whatever you can dig up.

 

[ABro]

although i do have the utmost faith in our police, i will admit that it bothers me that the accused would be so "stupid" to leave tim's truck at his mother's house and leave the remains on his own property. doing one of those is bad enough, but both? most perps at least try to hide the body/evidence. this always leaves me shaking my head.

I hear this a lot but I'm not sure it's "stupid" to dispose of a body on your own property. Murderers do it all the time and often it stays hidden for years, decades even. But there are definitely pros and cons.

Pro: You control the situation, cops need warrant, no need for transport where you run risk of being spotted
Con: You have a lot of explaining to do if you're found out

As for the truck at his mother's house, I don't see as particularly dumb either. She wasn't home and -- assuming he had to get it out of the KW area -- where would have been a better place to put it?

For me what stands out as dumb is buying an incinerator through Millardair and getting a burner phone to avoid detection and then using it for months.

 

[ABro]

You're right. I just spent the last hour writing it out - even logged on to the laptop for serious typing - and then my post disappeared before posting.

Since I shared my view reluctantly, I'll take the mysterious disappeance of the post as a sign to stay quiet again.

[modsnip]

Now back to one finger typing on phone.

I have a hunch that will seem controversial but if there is even a 1 in 68 chance I am right, it is worth my time advocating for the truth on WS.

[modsnip]

I wish you would share it with us all.

While I have always thought there was loads of evidence against the accused in this case, there were always little things that bothered me. For example, the question of the third suspect -- was there or wasn't there one? -- and if the cops had the case all sewn up, why did it look as if they didn't have this seemingly crucial piece of information?

I always assumed Millard's self confidence -- as displayed in his letter and the Toronto Star intvu -- was due to the fact that he knew the cops were missing some important pieces of the puzzle.

I suspect that changed with the April arrests.

This is just my working theory, nothing more.

Now, maybe Snoofo, you will tell us about what makes you doubt the accused is guilty...

 

[zencompass]

The two murder suspects in the death of Tim Bosma are going right to trial - no preliminary trial. CBC news July 16 website:


Tim Bosma murder suspects Dellen Millard, Mark Smich going right to trial

Suspects Dellen Millard, Mark Smich to bypass 8-week preliminary hearing

CBC News Posted: Jul 16, 2014 7:53 AM ET| Last Updated: Jul 16, 2014 10:48 AM ET

"Tim Bosma, 32, of Ancaster, Ont., has been described by friends and family as a kind-hearted man who was 'generous with laughs and love.' The two men charged with first-degree murder in the Bosma case will head straight to trial, bypassing a preliminary hearing, a report says.

The two men charged with first-degree murder in the death of Ancaster, Ont., resident Tim Bosma will head straight to trial, skipping the eight-week preliminary hearing, according to a report.

The attorney general's office has signed off on a direct indictment, the Toronto Star reports about the accused, Dellen Millard, 28, and Mark Smich, 26.

Dellen Millard, pictured, and Mark Smich are charged with first-degree murder in the death of Tim Bosma, whose burned remains were found on a Waterloo, Ont.-area farm. (Facebook)

An eight-week preliminary hearing was scheduled to start on Sept. 8.
[modsnip]

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/1.2708367

 

[Archangel7]

Secrecy has been mentioned. Where is the secrecy? The Crown, by Canadian law MUST provide discovery to the Defendant and almost on demand and in a timely fashion.

DP has everything the Crown has as far as evidence so no secret there. All that has happened is a Judge is not involved in hearing the evidence/conducting a mini trial and deciding the future. The PI sit down way back at the beginning with DP and the Crown should have shown DP the case's merit or not.

All DP and Co. will actually miss is any informant ID and or the actual manner in which the Crown presents the case.

If DP is as good as he thinks he is why provide him a copy of the "final exam" in advance as in a PH? Apparently, in this analogy he would simply attack the credibility of the "teacher" and "pick" at the integrity of the test questions.........

I'm still waiting on DP to man up and spill "his" initial reference to the back story we all needed to hear WRT his "maligned" client.

 

[zencompass]

I agree, there is no secrecy. I am pleased that the 8-week preliminary hearing has been dispensed with. The sooner this trial begins, the easier for the family as this has to be gut-wrenching difficult for them. These cases also affect the police who work tirelessly on these cases, investigating piece after piece and looping back and forth. I just cannot give enough credit to the police in these cases as their meticulous work shows not only their professionalism but their determination to find closure for these heart-breaking stories. This is such a sad case as are all of the other cases. My prayers and thoughts go out to the family and all involved towards justice.

 

[swedie]

After reading this statement made by the GA Madeleine Meilleur on Wednesday, I would be interested to know if her statement has changed anyone's opinion. According to her decision, prosecution has a solid case.

Apparently WM and LB's cases will be tried separate from TB's as they are working toward a PH in those cases. MOO.

“I’m not going to speak about the case, but when this procedure is supported, it’s because there is good evidence that the person being accused will become convicted,” she said.


In April, Millard was charged with the murder of his father, Wayne Millard, and Etobicoke woman Laura Babcock, who went missing in 2012. The three murder cases are now overseen by the OPP and are being treated separately as Crown attorneys work out the preliminary motions in each.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...arantee_verdict_in_tim_bosma_murder_case.html

 

[SnooperDuper]

Hi Tealgrove .... I noticed Police were specific that CN was charged with being an accessory on May 9th 2013 so it does not sound like she was involved in the murder itself. Reading between the lines of the various news reports it almost sounds like she was trying to help DM cover his tracks , or manufacture an alibi or something , I am guessing Police may have been listening to calls or messages between them.

Best wishes , welcome back , look forward to whatever you can dig up.

How would one charge Suspect #3? All they did was drive the Yukon that DM and MS arrived in, away from TB's house. To charge #3 with murder, you would have to prove either (A) #3 helped steal a truck, and #3 knew that a murder was likely to happen in the course of this, OR (B) #3 knew beforehand that murder was the plan.

However it's reasonable to believe that #3 might have thought that DM and MS would push TB out of the truck and take off with it, without killing him.

(Because it's reasonable to believe that #3 knew a truck would be stolen...why else would they take the Yukon away from the point where normally they would meet up with DM and MS again? And hide the Yukon so that it was not seen in the first place?)

So CN could be #3, and could be not facing charges for murder, because it is quite reasonable to assume that she/#3 did not know or expect that murder would occur. Perhaps that is the honest truth: it was a robbery/theft, but there was a struggle in the truck (as MSM reported) and the upshot was that TB was shot.

ETA: the accessory after the fact charge that CN faces now also holds a threat of life imprisonment, so it is likely the best charge for LE to pursue in face of the evidence.

When things went off plan and TB was killed, there was a delay coming in to Brantford. The trio should have arrived in downtown Brantford sooner than they did, if they had just continued on to the hangar. Instead there was a delay of about 1/2 hour while the trio figured out what to do. Perhaps it took time for TB to die. Original plan: steal a truck, dump its (live) owner and head for the hangar to stash it. This is why DM did not hide his tattoos when he approached TB's home: I have the impression that not a lot of LE effort goes into the investigation of vehicle thefts, in part because people have insurance to resolve the situation for them. DM did not expect LE to look too hard for this stolen truck, because usually that's the way it goes.

However things escalated from a theft to a murder. And there was a new plan: head to the farm where the incinerator had already proved its worth in getting rid of LB. They get in their vehicles and carry on. Oops, someone forgot to turn off TB's phone. They do that and toss the phone and carry on. They're kinda making things up as they go. They didn't plan to have to cover up a murder. All they wanted to do was steal a truck that was covered by insurance and of little interest to LE.

DM had not planned to attract a whole lotta heat. He was just going to steal a truck, and no one cares about a truck. If he had set out to plan a murder, he would have been much more rigorous about electronic devices (TB's at the very least, as well as possibly his, MS's and CN's smartphones) than he was. No I take that back: electronic devices had not led LE to DM in the LB case. Perhaps, based on experience, DM didn't have a lot of fear of being tracked electronically? Perhaps, based on experience, he felt that the burner phone was more than enough protection to hide his identity. That might be true in a truck theft, but not a murder.

Now back to the direct indictment issue. A preliminary hearing is a good dry run for all of your witnesses in a trial. You want to see how they will handle being on the stand. You want to see their weaknesses before trial, you want them to present in the best possible light, etc. People who have never been in court before and are called to testify as witnesses really benefit from having the practice afforded during a preliminary hearing so they can calm their nerves, understand how they might be challenged in court, and perform at their best for the real trial.

But what if the evidence is mostly forensic? What if they have tracked DM/MS/CN's smartphone (not the burner phone) from Etobicoke, to Hamilton, through Brantford, up to Ayr, and so on? What if DM and MS's DNA are in the truck along with the evidence that TB was murdered inside the truck (blood spray from gun shot?) Forensic experts are on the stand all the time. They know the drill. They are expert witnesses not only because of their field of knowledge but because they are witnesses by profession. They do not benefit at all from the dry run known as the preliminary hearing. It's just a burden and a waste of time and effort to them. You can see how it would make sense to dispense of the preliminary hearing if there is nothing to be gained from it for your witnesses...and that suggests that the evidence that links DM to TB's death is forensic in nature (and not the he said she said that would involve an endless stream of friends and associates, the kind of first timers that need practice).

If there is a mass of forensic evidence linking DM to TB, that's why there is a strong likelihood of conviction, and in turn, no preliminary hearing.

Now what if DM, like CN/#3, did not expect murder to occur? What if MS pulled the trigger? Well it doesn't really matter here. Because DM was involved in the theft of the truck, and the murder occurred during the course of that theft, DM is still on the hook for murder. If they used a deadly weapon like a gun...well guns don't give out love taps and kisses. Guns kill. The type of weapon is important. And who bought that gun? MS can't even afford the rent. LE has tied one gun purchase at the very least to DM. If MS fired DM's gun, well that just doesn't go in his favour.

Then there is the WM thing. LE says DM bought a gun from 3 guys (and how many gangsters does it take to screw in a lighbulb anyway? DM had multiple holsters, multiple crimes...did he have multiple guns as well?) The coroner's case remained open long enough for the gossip and rumours to swell up. Well, usually that's how they deal with these things. It all comes out in time. Surely they have a report and WM's brain in a jar somewhere. Toxicology to show if the guy was drunk when "committed suicide" on not. Then we have many friends and associates saying they never could have expected a suicide, a very low key and poorly publicized funeral, a sarcastic obituary, a cremation instead of a funeral, DP saying that DM wasn't broken up for a second by WM's death (ha ha DP, you didn't see that one coming, did ya!), WM died by a trafficked gun, DM bought a trafficked gun, and DM was the sole heir set to inherit everything.

Then there is LB. LE allege DM bought a gun and an incinerator around the time that she died. There must have been a heck of a dynamic between the two. They were sexually involved, he had a girlfriend, and both were mentioned in regards to hard-core party drugs like cocaine and Ecstasy/MDMA. Now these drugs can make you pretty emptionally unstable, and apparently LB had always been a bit emotionally unstable, but she was worse in May/June, lashing out at friends by text, fighting with her parents. And from her phone records we can see she was calling DM every day.

Keep in mind that DM has the first two lines of this song tattooed on his body, so not only can this give us insight on his attitude towards women but we can assume he really really feels this, to go so far as to mark it on his body:

"I am heaven sent,
Don't you dare forget.
I am all you've ever wanted,
What all the other boys all promised.
Sorry I told. I just needed you to know."

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/brandnew/okayibelieveyoubutmytommygundont.html

This emo song is sung like an anthem by the audience at concerts. The kids know and hang on every word. The words are so clear and slow, no doubt DM could recite the song by heart too. He proclaimed that Brand New was his favourite band on his (I think?) yelp or whatever profile too.

DM was a young, handsome, sole heir to a multi-million dollar fortune and my count, pretty well God's gift to golddiggers (and that's the way I think he saw himself too, just based on the tattoo and his lifestyle.)

The Brand New song is worth a few listens because it's about a person who thinks rather than feels, manipulating people who feel rather than think.

Somehow this tune really struck a chord with DM. Of all the tunes out there, he had you write the lyrics to this one down - on his body, yet.

My theory is that LB had something on DM in relation to the cocaine/Ecstasy(MDMA) (as reported at his parties, and in her history) and saw herself as being in a relationship with DM, a view DM did not share. DM tried to get rid of her but she kept calling, and she threatened vengeance. LB had bitterly reported an ex to LE before.

DM seriously feared LB would go to LE in an act of vengeance, and he would go to jail/prison for his acts. DM killed LB to prevent this. After the fact, he ordered the incinerator, and when it arrived, he used it.

The gun? I think he bought that to deal with WM, but this LB thing came up first.

It's harder to kill someone you know and DM had to set the stage first, telling AS that the M family was running out of money. But then he never told anyone it was a suicide, instead referring to an aneurism or a "sudden bleed on the brain". Maybe it would be too hard to fake breaking down in tears if you were discussing suicide with others all the time. Like in the Brand New song, the thinking (not feeling) person sings, "We're concentrating on falling apart". It's hard work. And also "Cause you cant keep a secret If it never was a secret to start ". And it's natural for others to feel guilt in the face of another's suicide and DM did not want to be painted with any guilt at all.

At least DM knew what to expect when he fired the gun. LB was the "preliminary hearing" and WM was the "trial".

As for TB, I think DM planned to steal a truck. He had an obnoxious self confidence, you know, the kind of guy that gets "I am heaven set/don't you dare forget" tattooed on himself. He didn't expect that LE would pursue a truck theft if no one got hurt, which is why he did not hide his tattoos at TB's. Instead, TB was killed, and the whole thing unraveled.

In the case of LB and WM, the murders are very personal and it is easy to find motive for DM to kill. MS though is the one that runs in the social circles that contain the wack rapper gangsters that sold DM the gun. If DM turned to MS to help source a gun, MS would know about DM's initial plans for WM, and the unfortunate incident with LB that happened instead. MS would be in a position to blackmail DM, move into his basement, live off his means, and pressure him to become a G. MS knew all DM's secrets, and that was MS's golden ticket. But while MS may have held up a certain gangster lifestyle, it was DM that chose the targets. A lover who became trouble. His father. A Dodge RAM truck. It is DM that wanted the truck and wanted LB and WM dead. It was MS who was a bad influence, but it was DM's desires that they were killing for.

Anyway, that's my theory right now, subject to change and MOO.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I've never really understood the persistence of the idea that DM was 'too smart' to leave the body on his property and the truck at his mother's. I don't know where the belief that he's a criminal mastermind comes from, nor the lack of realization that murderers do that kind of thing all the time. Is it because of his social class? I think DM, overall, causes some very fuzzy thinking/cognitive dissonance for a select few people. You would certainly have to search very hard to find any other accused triple-murderer on WS with even one poster demanding they be treated with special fairness and respect.

It's not like he had the body and truck at his actual home--he did take some care to put distance between himself and them. (Nice thing to do to one's mother, on that note.)

I think the simplest explanation is that he never expected to be connected with Tim's disappearance so very quickly (via burner phone/Big Guy), nor perhaps for that disappearance to become instant front-page news. He thought he was under the radar. The body would be incinerated and the cremains removed in whatever way he did with LB's, and the truck would be run through the chop shop for de-identification and such.

 

[swedie]

More articles based on bypassing the PH in this case.

http://www.citynews.ca/2014/07/16/dellen-millard-mark-smich-going-straight-to-trial/

http://www.chch.com/millard-smitch-will-go-straight-trial/

“The provision is there if there is a solid case and justice will be better served by going directly to trial,” Meilleur said Wednesday.

“It’s not often that this happens. It’s a special procedure.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/07/16/tim-bosma-murder-accused-going-straight-to-trial

This article at the bottom has some significant dates to scroll through relating to this case. Note error DM's arrest was May 10th, not the 11th. HTH.

http://www.ourwindsor.ca/news-story/4635370-bosma-case-experts-weigh-in-on-crown-s-strategy/

 

[Alethea Dice]

Secrecy has been mentioned. Where is the secrecy? The Crown, by Canadian law MUST provide discovery to the Defendant and almost on demand and in a timely fashion.

DP has everything the Crown has as far as evidence so no secret there. All that has happened is a Judge is not involved in hearing the evidence/conducting a mini trial and deciding the future. The PI sit down way back at the beginning with DP and the Crown should have shown DP the case's merit or not.

All DP and Co. will actually miss is any informant ID and or the actual manner in which the Crown presents the case.

If DP is as good as he thinks he is why provide him a copy of the "final exam" in advance as in a PH? Apparently, in this analogy he would simply attack the credibility of the "teacher" and "pick" at the integrity of the test questions.........

I'm still waiting on DP to man up and spill "his" initial reference to the back story we all needed to hear WRT his "maligned" client.

Well then, the Crown should have no problem with providing them with the statement of facts and the reason for submitting the request, should they?


If anyone is interested, here is the procedure for requesting a direct indictment:

http://www.ppsc-sppc.gc.ca/eng/pub/fpsd-sfpg/fps-sfp/fpd/ch17.html

 

[Carli]

The ministry’s decision to approve the direct indictment, a first since she became attorney general earlier this year, is a sign of a solid case gathered by prosecutors, Madeleine Meilleur told reporters after question period Wednesday.
“I’m not going to speak about the case, but when this procedure is supported, it’s because there is good evidence that the person being accused will become convicted,” she said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...arantee_verdict_in_tim_bosma_murder_case.html

I am beyond being flabbergasted!! Do my eyes deceive me?? She said WHAT??? I know Madame AG is new on the job, but my word, she's just catapulted what should have been just a good old fashioned newspaper-selling murder trial into a Constitutional challenge! Oh, my goodness, me. The defense lawyers must be dancing with joy. Oh my. Cirque de loi. Oy vey!

Amazingly Madame's job description is actually online in her own website at http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/ag/agrole.asp

 

[ABro]

I am beyond being flabbergasted!! Do my eyes deceive me?? She said WHAT??? I know Madame AG is new on the job, but my word, she's just catapulted what should have been just a good old fashioned newspaper-selling murder trial into a Constitutional challenge! Oh, my goodness, me. The defense lawyers must be dancing with joy. Oh my.

I can't believe that I'm actually in agreement with Carli on something to do with this case, but I saw that quote and thought HOLY WTF! I even checked to make sure she was a lawyer.

ETA: I just watched video of the AG comments and I did not see that quote. So, maybe it was a reporting error. Alternatively, her English is a bit shakey so it may have been a language thing.

http://www.citynews.ca/2014/07/16/dellen-millard-mark-smich-going-straight-to-trial/?__federated=1