Tim Miller Fires Back at Mark Klaas after last nights Nancy Grace.

[Pondering Mind]

I have officially lost all respect for TM and that is sad. What kind of man throws in anothers mans face his dead daughter. Despicable! Also what is TM saying about the police co-operation, what is the truth to the whole debacle?
Mark Klass is right this ridiculous set up was amatureish, just look at the quality of informants he had voluteer. I hate this whole thing. Tim should stick to ground searches and let the police do their job.
Anyway Misty was just trying to get anyone to believe her and she picked Tim, so big deal with the poly's. Doesn't matter anyway.
The man is no saint, I think I just saw a side I never want to see again.

bbm~

That is sad...I'm sorry that you feel that way.

Let me assure you neither man is a saint and I'll leave that there. I don't believe either ever claimed to be....as a matter of fact I don't think I know ANY saints. just sayin..

 

[babycat]

I'm not convinced that Tim did all of this without the blessing of LE. Tim isn't stupid. I think he wouldn't have done any of this without LE's knowledge.


I hope I never eat those words! But that's how I feel. Tim has worked TONS of these cases, and he knows how important it is to not jeopardize a case.



eta: sorry, should have quoted fay's post....

 

[Pondering Mind]

This is exactly how I feel, but I am still disappointed that Tim went that low.

I was REALLY surprised to hear Mark mouthing off about Tim the other night. I thought that was in bad taste.

Me too. I don't know how to say this...but I'll try. What Tim said was terrible, but since the murder of their daughters is sadly something that they share, maybe to Tim, he was able to say those words to Marc...where someone who was not a member of that tragic club could not/would not. I know, I know..one would think that because of that..it makes it that much worse that those words about Marcs daughter were uttered. IDK, that prolly makes no sense, but I am in no position to condemn TM for what he said and I won't. I have a feeling it won't be something that he will soon forget.

 

[Tricia]

I hope no one here ever loses a child to an abduction, or under mysterious circumstances. It would be hard to get Mark K off of NG to come search, but I have no doubt in my mind, Tim Miller would be there in a heartbeat. I know which one I would feel more comfortable calling, regardless of their personal feelings for each other.

I personally work closely with Marc Klaas. Marc flies all over the country offering Print-A-Thons' for free to kids. This is where kids get their fingerprints and picture taken as well as DNA kits. Why does Marc do this? Because he had NOTHING when Polly was taken. The big reason he does it so he can talk to the parents and let them know that simple things can help keep their children safe.

I am not going to get into a pissing match here. But I can tell you that your crack about Marc and NG is so wrong and mean. You have NO IDEA how much Marc does behind the scenes for people. You have no idea the searches he puts together. Most of the things he does he does without hoopla.

Everyone is allowed their opinion but I'll be damned if I will let someone I know and hold dear to me be talked about like this without trying to set the record straight.

People may not agree with what Marc said on Nancy but what Tim said was over the top cruel.

Tim Miller has lost my support. With one paragraph he has managed to take all his good will and throw it out the window.

 

[Normcar21]

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bbm~

That is sad...I'm sorry that you feel that way.

Let me assure you neither man is a saint and I'll leave that there. I don't believe either ever claimed to be....as a matter of fact I don't think I know ANY saints. just sayin..

Well said:woohoo:

 

[Tricia]

Has Mark even been to Satsuma for a search? :waitasec: I must have missed that story. If he had been on the ground, in the brush, on a horse, etc....I might give little credence to his words spoken from a comfy chair in a television studio.

Given the actual efforts of Tim Miller and TES....Mark's words carry no weight with me....'cause in my world...Actions speak WAY louder than words...IMO...JMO....MOO..etc....

Did it ever occure to you that Marc doesn't do everything IN FRONT OF A CAMERA? How about looking at his website and see the projects he works on.And those are just the tip of the iceburg.

He flies to Washington to lobby for children. He doesn't make friends in D.C. because he speaks the truth AND he gets things DONE. but those of us who know him and work for him know he works non stop. You all just don't see it.

 

[Tricia]

Yes, Marc is a tough man and a bit abrasive. But in this case, I think he made a valid point that Miller might poison the well for search groups, including his own, with LE.

I am telling you that there is no doubt what Tim did is going to hurt the search and rescue efforts for all of the groups.

LE does not like interference. It is a very delicate situation to go into a search when LE doesn't want you.

Marc and his searchers are able to win LE over with their skill and their honesty. I have seen it happen many times.

If that road rage incident had not happened then MAYBE things would be OK but I know how this works behind the scenes and it is going to be harder than ever now for LE to accept an out of state search group.

 

[Normcar21]

I personally work closely with Marc Klaas. Marc flies all over the country offering Print-A-Thons' for free to kids. This is where kids get their fingerprints and picture taken as well as DNA kits. Why does Marc do this? Because he had NOTHING when Polly was taken. The big reason he does it so he can talk to the parents and let them know that simple things can help keep their children safe.

I am not going to get into a pissing match here. But I can tell you that your crack about Marc and NG is so wrong and mean. You have NO IDEA how much Marc does behind the scenes for people. You have no idea the searches he puts together. Most of the things he does he does without hoopla.

Everyone is allowed their opinion but I'll be damned if I will let someone I know and hold dear to me be talked about like this without trying to set the record straight.

People may not agree with what Marc said on Nancy but what Tim said was over the top cruel.

Tim Miller has lost my support. With one paragraph he has managed to take all his good will and throw it out the window.

As you can see, I support KlaasKids completely and fully, and will continue to do so because I agree with you fully on his commitment and commitment, and commitment. However, I will suggest that you reconsider a complete about face on support for "any" individual who has a history of strong commitment to child rescue simply because of one statement, one night, at one time. Maybe he had a "human" moment, and became bugged about something, and said something that was off the cuff and irrational, something that all of us do from time to time.

I'll tell you what, I will agree with you if TM says it 3 times rather than once. Then that would demonstrate that he actually means it.

 

[Tricia]

I guess after following the case, and spending time with the family, and then being attacked on national TV, by someone who has sat in a comfy chair dishing the latest BOMBSHELLS with Mizz Nancy .... well all that may have gotten the best of Tim Miller, he is only human after all.

When was Mark Klaas in Satsuma, looking for Haleigh?

:waitasec:
~JMO

How about rather than speaking without knowing ANYTHING you research a little bit and find out what Marc has done.

Marc's problem is he doesn't do everything in front of a camera.

And when Marc is on Nancy? Many times he is in another city working with a family. He doesn't brag about it.

I hope someday you will realize how cruel and wrong your words are.

 

[Maven2379]

I'm not convinced that Tim did all of this without the blessing of LE. Tim isn't stupid. I think he wouldn't have done any of this without LE's knowledge.


I hope I never eat those words! But that's how I feel. Tim has worked TONS of these cases, and he knows how important it is to not jeopardize a case.



eta: sorry, should have quoted fay's post....

IA! I don't think Tim has done any of this without LE knowing what he was doing or what he was planning to do. I don't think either of them should have said the things said! They are both working for a common goal, and I don't think there should ever be a competition for it.

 

[babycat]

Did it ever occure to you that Marc doesn't do everything IN FRONT OF A CAMERA? How about looking at his website and see the projects he works on.And those are just the tip of the iceburg.

He flies to Washington to lobby for children. He doesn't make friends in D.C. because he speaks the truth AND he gets things DONE. but those of us who know him and work for him know he works non stop. You all just don't see it.

I think Tim was WAY out of line, but I haven't yet given up on Tim Miller. I was surprised/disappointed to hear Mark's comments about Tim on NG (I just don't think either of those organizations should be taking jabs at one another at all- it just seems to pull focus. Though to be fair, Mark said NOTHING that deserved Tim's callous remark), but I agree with you about everything else.

I know how quickly Mark's organization contacted me when I posted a thread here. I think was literally within a day. They were so helpful and accommodating, and were ready to help me search as soon as possible. They contacted the local detectives and got information straight away.

Mark's organization does A LOT of good, and he does a lot of work on sex trafficking cases as well. Tim himself has been on Nancy Grace, and I don't think it's fair for people to come down on Mark for being a guest there. Mark does a LOT of good work.

 

[Maven2379]

How about rather than speaking without knowing ANYTHING you research a little bit and find out what Marc has done.

Marc's problem is he doesn't do everything in front of a camera.

And when Marc is on Nancy? Many times he is in another city working with a family. He doesn't brag about it.

I hope someday you will realize how cruel and wrong your words are.

I know about Mark Klaas, and have great respect for everything he has done! I just think he should show the same respect for Tim Miller, that's all.

 

[static]

IMO~ it's Mark Klaas who should keep his mouth shut. I have respect for both of these men, they both do great things, but Mark Klaas clearly has a chip on his shoulder. MK chose to voice his opinion about Tim Miller on NG, what was Tim supposed to do? AKAIK Tim was in contact with LE, and they seem to not have a problem with what he did, not sure why MK has such an issue with it.

I do/did question TM's judgment with his "undercover mama", however MK went too far in saying that Tim should be arrested. I think MK has clouded judgment here, because of the way his own daughter disappeared, but I don't think LE ever called his story a "farce", "unbelievable", "inconsistent", and I am quite sure he cooperated with LE every step of the way.

JMO

Instead of the media doing all the talking, these two men should be working as a team. They have both suffered and both are trying to do more to help others. I hope that maybe they can sit down and have lunch sometime and congratulate each other for their hard work overcoming the obstacles they have both had to deal with in their lives. This is a tragic thing, when you see these 2 men at odds with each other...Guys do what you do best, help others... you are on the same team.

 

[Muffet]

Well, I'm afraid I disagree, Tricia, but out of respect for your position as owner and admin, I'll reserve further commentary.

Peace to all, most of all to these two men, so none of us have to continue watching men we care about and respect be insulted by anyone.

 

[Normcar21]

IA! I don't think Tim has done any of this without LE knowing what he was doing or what he was planning to do. I don't think either of them should have said the things said! They are both working for a common goal, and I don't think there should ever be a competition for it.

I agree fully, everyone makes mistakes, even the pope makes mistakes, even the president makes mistakes, even santa claus must make mistakes, right? He's human too.
What's that phrase? To something is human, to something is divine? Or so this and so that...

Time for some "something" in this matter, IMO

 

[Tricia]

As you can see, I support KlaasKids completely and fully, and will continue to do so because I agree with you fully on his commitment and commitment, and commitment. However, I will suggest that you reconsider a complete about face on support for "any" individual who has a history of strong commitment to child rescue simply because of one statement, one night, at one time. Maybe he had a "human" moment, and became bugged about something, and said something that was off the cuff and irrational, something that all of us do from time to time.

I'll tell you what, I will agree with you if TM says it 3 times rather than once. Then that would demonstrate that he actually means it.

I understand what you are saying and maybe when I calm down I'll think differently.

And when I fly in to help search and Marc and Brad are there and LE wont' have anything to do with us , I'll hold my tongue

 

[Pondering Mind]

As you can see, I support KlassKids completely and fully, and will continue to do so because I agree with you fully on his commitment and commitment, and commitment. However, I will suggest that you reconsider a complete about face on support for "any" individual who has a history of strong commitment to child rescue simply because of one statement, one night, at one time. Maybe he had a "human" moment, and became bugged about something, and said something that was off the cuff and irrational, something that all of us do from time to time.

I'll tell you what, I will agree with you if TM says it 3 times rather than once. Then that would demonstrate that he actually means it.

I have to agree with you. I do believe that he spoke out of anger and rightfully so, I would have been angry too.....I was! Nevertheless he should have never said what he did. Sometimes words come tumblin' out and you can't take them back no matter how much you want to. Again, I believe this should have been handled in private, out of mutual respect for each other.

Both men have my undying gratitude and support for everything they do, even when they have human moments. (that I can relate to... saints,..not so much :crazy

 

[babycat]

I have to agree with you. I do believe that he spoke out of anger and rightfully so, I would have been angry too.....I was! Nevertheless he should have never said what he did. Sometimes words come tumblin' out and you can't take them back no matter how much you want to. Again, I believe this should have been handled in private, out of mutual respect for each other.

Both men have my undying gratitude and support for everything they do, even when they have human moments. (that I can relate to... saints,..not so much :crazy

I agree that we have human moments, and am always ready to understand...once I'm convinced the person understands that they had a "human moment" and apologizes. If Tim saw nothing wrong with his words and never sought to apologize or retract them from that article, or some how atone for what he said, then I don't think I'd be so quick to accept that it was a "human moment". I guess time will tell...

O/T I can relate to the Saints- 4-0 AND they won all their preseason games? We're having a great year! Geaux Saints! hahaha. Can't wait for Sunday

 

[Pondering Mind]

I understand what you are saying and maybe when I calm down I'll think differently.

And when I fly in to help search and Marc and Brad are there and LE wont' have anything to do with us , I'll hold my tongue

Tricia, you know Marc in real life...we don't, or at least I don't. So I think maybe for you it's not even a close call :innocent:. He's your friend, so it may be a little different than what some of us see. They're both good men, who have made their life mission helping others. I'll bet you will change your mind about supporting Tim, you're just a good friend.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I agree that we have human moments, and am always ready to understand...once I'm convinced the person understands that they had a "human moment" and apologizes. If Tim saw nothing wrong with his words and never sought to apologize or retract them from that article, or some how atone for what he said, then I don't think I'd be so quick to accept that it was a "human moment". I guess time will tell...

O/T I can relate to the Saints- 4-0 AND they won all their preseason games? We're having a great year! Geaux Saints! hahaha. Can't wait for Sunday

True....and I hope that has been done...maybe in private?

LOL @ the Saints! I know NOTHING about football, except what my 10 y/o grandson teaches me! He called me a couple of weeks ago to tell me what position he was playing and was really excited and proud to be 'the kicker'. I did an awesome job faking it until I could get my daughter on the phone to 'splain!