Timeline Discussion

[momoftwo2002]

I am now paranoid about looking this up on my computer, lol!! But, I found an article about how quickly a decomposed body could alert a cadaver dog--this article says as soon as within two minutes of death:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...mposes+cadaver+dogs&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Also any hairs found in the truck would possible have what is called a death band up near the root if it fell out post mortem. I don't know how long it takes for the death band to form though. I will try to find out and report back with that info.ir

I just read a few different studies and hair banding post mortem comprises of many different decomposition processes which deems hair banding not useful in determining time of death. So depending on the variables there may or may not be hairs with death banding if the body was in the truck for a short period of time. These types of hairs with the banding were found in Casey Anthony's trunk.

Gosh! It feels aweful even typing this thinking about lil Kyron.

 

[RubyRed]

We have TH driving aimlessly around back roads, for which she gives a lame reason and her friend just happens to leave work and is unaccounted for. This all happens on the day Kyron goes missing. I think the pieces of this puzzle is starting to come together and it isn't a pretty picture.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I can share an anecdotal experience with kids with ear aches (which in my kids always translated to ear infections) and trying to sooth them with driving them about in a car.

None of my 5 (or my two step daughters who we had custody of when they were toddlers and infants) kids could be soothed or consoled by anything much less a car ride for an ear ache or ear infection. If I wasn't up all night the night before and had already made my way to the Doc or ER, I would take them right in because IMHO there isn't nothing worse than a toddler with an ear infection. Lordy. I don't miss those days at all.

But then again each child is different I guess. JMHO.

And (to jump off your post) - I never, ever drove my "babies" around during the day - all the "get to sleep" driving was done at night. If they were in pain or sick during the day - they were packed up and off to the Dr. we'd go.

KH has a good job and probably very good health insurance - so taking baby to the Dr. wouldn't have been any kind of big deal. Or at least a call, if they can't get you in - call something into the drug store.

You don't drive a sick child around during the day. .

 

[gardeness]

I would like to know if DS determined her own hours during gardening jobs. Did she usually leave at her own discretion?

 

[shorty42404]

I am now paranoid about looking this up on my computer, lol!! But, I found an article about how quickly a decomposed body could alert a cadaver dog--this article says as soon as within two minutes of death:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...mposes+cadaver+dogs&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Why would you be paranoid about that? Can you explain? I may have missed something.

 

[Mamietwo]

LE officials who are *not* even involved in the investigation.

I think your original post to me was saying that you had not read or heard that Terri Horman was on Sauvie Island and did we know that she was.

I cited to you my reasons for my post and said I'd get as close as I could to a link confirming that (as I know I'd heard all the talk shows on television claiming the same thing I was reading), so the links are just confirmation of what I said.

Where did you read "not even involved" in the article? Here is what was written:

"This information comes from five separate law-enforcement officials from agencies at the city, county and federal level. To our knowledge, none is directly involved with the investigation."

Lastly, do you think that MCSO would incur the cost of dive teams and whatever else it took to search Sauvie Island based on a whim? I kind of think they'd have to have some pretty strong information before going to that length, don't you?

TIA for your thoughts.

 

[sorrell skye]

Nor did she mention anything about it on FB - when she was posting pretty much play-by-play actions by baby around that time.

Excellent point!

 

[KeyboardCat]

I am now paranoid about looking this up on my computer, lol!! But, I found an article about how quickly a decomposed body could alert a cadaver dog--this article says as soon as within two minutes of death:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...mposes+cadaver+dogs&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Actually what I think that article was evaluating was how long a recently deceased corpse needed to be in contact with the area for the dog to detect.

It said there were squares of carpet they used to test this. They used a "recently" deceased and exposed it to the carpets for varying amounts of time. It said a dog could detect the scent of the dead person only after the dead person had contact with the carpet for only ten minutes.

"and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person."

and:

"Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. "

That means that the area had only been in contact with the "recently" deceased for two minutes. Not that the body had only been dead two mintues.

 

[shorty42404]

About the driving around with baby K and someone had mentioned that this was probably the time she was trying to figure out where to dump Kyron (ugh, that hurts my heart)...

Hasn't LE checked the truck out a few times? I would think signs of death wouldn't be hard to find. It definitely wouldn't have been smart to do anything in the truck for that reason. Bla, he has to be alive. I can't think of any other outcome. Call me blind, over-optimistic, or whatever you want..my heart can't bear the though of a child being harmed.

 

[trigger]

We have TH driving aimlessly around back roads, for which she gives a lame reason and her friend just happens to leave work and is unaccounted for. This all happens on the day Kyron goes missing. I think the pieces of this puzzle is starting to come together and it isn't a pretty picture.

ITA. I think they are closing in and Terry will be arrested this week. IMO


Poor Kyron...Im praying im wrong

Goodnite :wave: Gotta get up early for work

 

[cluciano63]

I had shut down my computer for the night but just turned it back on as I keep thinking about Dede...if she was involved in any way yet knows Kyron is not dead, why would she not tell LE? Nothing is worse than being thought of as a child killer (except actually being one) so nothing they could have done, if Kyron can be retrieved, can be as bad as if is dead. Either she really does not know and just thinks she is being a loyal friend, or Kyron is dead and she knows she can't help herself or Terri by talking.

 

[Chili Fries]

Interesting to look back at this article from July 12th:

While Terri Horman has said she was in certain locations, investigators have placed her elsewhere using bank card records and cell phone pings, according to sources.

Last week KGW reported that investigators have been using Terri Horman's cell phone and email records to see who she was in contact with just before and after the disappearance of Kyron.

The question whether more than one person was involved in Kyron's disappearance came up last week in interviews with Kaine Horman and Kyron's mother, Desiree.

 

[debirlfan]

that leaves
23 minutes for one store
and
22 minutes for the other

These minutes (for each store) would include parking, getting baby out, shopping, going through check out, going back to car, putting items purchased and baby back in car..

Let me throw this out - if she has Kyron with her at that point, and Kyron stays in the car - maybe she leaves the baby with him? Especially if she's only running in for one or two things.

Also - for someone local - would all of the Albertsons have the same sales? I'm wondering if going to a different store could have been explained by shopping for one special sale item? (ie, something like 5 12-packs of Coke for $10 - that sort of thing - also that would explain why it didn't need to go home and be refrigerated right away.)

 

[Emma Peel]

Assuming theory that Terri drugged Kyron & did disposal herself.

I think if Terri said she drove around country roads, she probably did. Her plan, if questioned was to be able to say that's what she did - in the event she was seen.

 

[seeking truth]

If Terri said she went to the gym, it would be pretty bold to lie about that. They would obviously have cameras there to check that out. If Dede met her there, same thing. Unless they met in the parking lot and there weren't cameras there? It would be nice if we had some info from the gym if Terri or Dede were there or not.

I agree about the time period where she said she was driving baby K around to soothe her is fishy. Not so much what she did because as a mama I get it too. I've done something similar with mine but not for earaches just for sleep. But what seems amiss is how long she did it, and the fact that it was the same day Kyron went missing.

BBM

She probably DID go the gym. There are more than likely plenty of witnesses to THAT. By then, Kyron was gone. She probably did work out, leaving (sick) Baby K in the gym's daycare.

There seems NOT to be a witness to Terri actually walking out of the school with Kyron (probably because she left with him long before 8:45am). Still doesn't mean she didn't take Kyron with her when she left the school. Makes more sense than a stranger getting a hold of him after she left and before class at 9:00. Makes more sense than any stranger ever taking a child out of an elementary school.

It seems likely that LE has it almost tied up, thus more money is being allotted to the DA's office and LE is able to return some of their money. I think they have many witnesses. I think the news story, showing the actual meeting with the Sheriff and the DA and the board was mostly for the psychological effects seeing that would have on Terri (and maybe others, including her attorney) just as this new release of information is intended to freak her out (you know, in psychological terms!)

My OPINIONS and thoughts on this.

Just goes to show how truly lacking in a conscience this woman is. Also MY OPINION.

 

[gardeness]

Why would you be paranoid about that? Can you explain? I may have missed something.

LOL--because right now, I have given TH the benefit of the doubt because I haven't seen enough proof, so my thought process is, "What if I were falsely accused of something?" and I think defensively... and for some reason, feel paranoid about googling anything out of the ordinary!

 

[Kat]

Let me throw this out - if she has Kyron with her at that point, and Kyron stays in the car - maybe she leaves the baby with him? Especially if she's only running in for one or two things.

Also - for someone local - would all of the Albertsons have the same sales? I'm wondering if going to a different store could have been explained by shopping for one special sale item? (ie, something like 5 12-packs of Coke for $10 - that sort of thing - also that would explain why it didn't need to go home and be refrigerated right away.)

Hopefully, those stores from which video was requested also had cameras in their parking lots too.

That way they can track people when they pull into the parking lot, park and walk across it, enter the store, shop and check out, and which way they pull out and drive off in...I really hope so!

(ETA: and sometimes are able to see if anyone else is in the car). all JMHO.

 

[Mamietwo]

I had shut down my computer for the night but just turned it back on as I keep thinking about Dede...if she was involved in any way yet knows Kyron is not dead, why would she not tell LE? Nothing is worse than being thought of as a child killer (except actually being one) so nothing they could have done, if Kyron can be retrieved, can be as bad as if is dead. Either she really does not know and just thinks she is being a loyal friend, or Kyron is dead and she knows she can't help herself or Terri by talking.

Excellent point!

 

[momoftwo2002]

I had shut down my computer for the night but just turned it back on as I keep thinking about Dede...if she was involved in any way yet knows Kyron is not dead, why would she not tell LE? Nothing is worse than being thought of as a child killer (except actually being one) so nothing they could have done, if Kyron can be retrieved, can be as bad as if is dead. Either she really does not know and just thinks she is being a loyal friend, or Kyron is dead and she knows she can't help herself or Terri by talking.

I can only speak for myself but if I knew my best friend killed a child and was not confessing immediately LE would not have to come investigate me or ask for my cooperation because I would have sprinted to their office while I was on the phone with police so I would know who to ask for in their homicide department when I got there.

 

[LotsaLatte]

Okay, I want to know what she purchased if she purchased anything. I keep coming back to that thought.