Timeline Discussion

[Kat]

Assuming theory that Terri drugged Kyron & did disposal herself.

I think if Terri said she drove around country roads, she probably did. Her plan, if questioned was to be able to say that's what she did - in the event she was seen.

I agree EP. Now that might have been the reason she was tooling around back roads for 90 mins, but a toddler with an earache I'm not buying as of yet.

Wonder did she use her cell while driving all over the rural areas? Just curious. JMHO and all that stuff

 

[joshiesmom]

Let me throw this out - if she has Kyron with her at that point, and Kyron stays in the car - maybe she leaves the baby with him? Especially if she's only running in for one or two things.

Also - for someone local - would all of the Albertsons have the same sales? I'm wondering if going to a different store could have been explained by shopping for one special sale item? (ie, something like 5 12-packs of Coke for $10 - that sort of thing - also that would explain why it didn't need to go home and be refrigerated right away.)

Yes, all Albertson's have the same sales. It's a chain store ~ like Fred Meyer's, Kroger's & Safeway.

 

[Leila]

This witness could be correct. The time line is possible ...

Chas said he saw the white truck between 9:15am and 9:45am on Junne 4th. This DOES fit with the time line. Terri supposedly left the school at 8:45am, and she could have been at the location where Chas said he saw the white truck with a red-headed driver, a half-hour to an hour later. Then she could have stopped at a store and purchased something that would give her a receipt as proof she was at a store, and the next 90 minutes - 10:10 to 11:39, are unaccounted for.

 

[gardeness]

I had shut down my computer for the night but just turned it back on as I keep thinking about Dede...if she was involved in any way yet knows Kyron is not dead, why would she not tell LE? Nothing is worse than being thought of as a child killer (except actually being one) so nothing they could have done, if Kyron can be retrieved, can be as bad as if is dead. Either she really does not know and just thinks she is being a loyal friend, or Kyron is dead and she knows she can't help herself or Terri by talking.

Currently, IMO, I see her as being a loyal friend--and completely irked on Terri's behalf. If her father's in LE, she knows her rights and might feel she is asserting her (and possibly Terri's) innocence by not acquiescing to any perceived harassment.

 

[newone]

I'm not buying it either.

I'm with you Ruby Red -- three kids (lots of earaches) -- no way -- only thing that worked was the hair dryer AND antibiotics LONG TRUCK rides in a bumpy 4X4 worked for colic -- heck of a big difference - the disturbance with equilibrium (earache) and a car ride would make me nauseous:croc:

 

[SuziQ]

IDK guys. I'm getting a Doug Stewart vibe about the gym. Also reminds me of Chris Coleman trying to use the gym as an alibi. Everyone knows a gym has cameras.

 

[Chili Fries]

Yes, all Albertson's have the same sales. It's a chain store ~ like Fred Meyer's, Kroger's & Safeway.

Even with chain stores individual stores may carry different items. I know I've gone out of my way to go to a store that carried what I wanted. For example, I can't eat cheese and only certain Publix stores carry soy cheese pizza.

 

[joshiesmom]

Even with chain stores individual stores may carry different items. I know I've gone out of my way to go to a store that carried what I wanted. For example, I can't eat cheese and only certain Publix stores carry soy cheese pizza.

I understand that. But I know that Albertson's sends out fliers for their stores and that the sales are the same for all of their stores. You're right ~ that doesn't mean that every store stocks of the sale items, but the question that I answered was whether or not all Albertson's have the same sales and that answer is, "Yes."

 

[krowdkat]

Okay, I want to know what she purchased if she purchased anything. I keep coming back to that thought.

Diapers?!? I dunno, but diapers don't need to be refridgerated.

 

[Amster]

Is it ok now to use baby K's name?

 

[Mamietwo]

I wonder if phone records reveal contact between TH and DS during this timeline. It also seems odd to me that DS would leave a job without saying a word to a co-worker that she was leaving.

I can't wait until everything comes out. You know she's guilty, it's just a matter of time. But hopefully she's only guilty of kidnapping and Kyron will be brought home where he'll be safe. Let's hope that common sense dawns on DS and soon to talk to LE. I can't imagine her not talking, having a father in LE!

 

[krowdkat]

Currently, IMO, I see her as being a loyal friend--and completely irked on Terri's behalf. If her father's in LE, she knows her rights and might feel she is asserting her (and possibly Terri's) innocence by not acquiescing to any perceived harassment.

I totally agree. I was recently charged with a misdemeanor (tresspassing) and choose not to cooperate with police. I had permission from the out of state homeowner to go onto the property in question.

Long story short, my bro is a criminal defense attorney who spent 10 years as a police officer.

I currently believe that TH is involved up to her eyeballs. I'm on the fence about DeDe's involvement. She may simply believe TH is innocent (being wrongfully convicted in the court of public opinion) and is the one who is advising her to clam up and not cooperate for legal reasons.

I'm not totally convinced in Dede's guilt. I won't be shocked if she is, however.

 

[KeyboardCat]

More about postmortem intervals (reason dogs didn't hit on scent in the truck... even though I'm not actually sure dogs checked out the truck lol.)

"PRELIMINARY RESULTS: The shortest post-mortem interval for which we received a correct response was one hour and 25 minutes. However, the post-mortem interval for which we received a consistently correct response from all dogs involved is 2.5 - 3 hours."

an experiment found here:
http://www.csst.org/cadaver_scent.html

Sorry to keep bringing up such an unhappy subject...

Just trying to make that there is a difference noted between the length of time an object or area needs to be in contact with a decedent for it to be detectable by a dog and then the actual length of time a person needs to be dead for the scent to be detectable.

Wayyy OT:
Edit: got me thinking of the Casey Anthony case, and that length of time needed for a dog to detect makes me look at the Anthony backyard in a whole new way.

 

[debirlfan]

Yes, all Albertson's have the same sales. It's a chain store ~ like Fred Meyer's, Kroger's & Safeway.

No "in store specials," huh? We have a number of chains here, but individual stores don't always have the same sales.

So... if she wasn't going for a particular sale... what else is in the area of the store? Other stores? Banks?
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Looking at various scenarios. If she has Kyron in the car while she's doing her errands... She calls her friend who drops what she is doing and rushes to meet her. (Do we know exactly where the friend was working? I read a description of it as being "close," but do we know what that means?)

Let's say she meets the friend at 11:20-11:30. (TH could be as close as right around the corner from where friend is working). TH hands Kyron off to the friend, and proceeds to the gym.

So - in that case - how far can the friend get between about 11:25 and the time she gets back to work? Did she take Kyron somewhere and hand him off to a 3rd person?

And if the above is true - then what was TH doing between the time she left the school and the time she met her friend? Could she have gone back to her house? Is there somewhere on the island or in that area where she might have gone?

I know this is not a popular opinion - and I have no idea if it's true - but I don't think we can totally discount the possibility that Kyron could have been a willing participant in his own disappearance. Keep in mind that his mother claimed he didn't want to go home. We are only assuming that TH is the reason why. If not, then it throws an entirely different light on the whole case.

 

[seeking truth]

IDK guys. I'm getting a Doug Stewart vibe about the gym. Also reminds me of Chris Coleman trying to use the gym as an alibi. Everyone knows a gym has cameras.

She probably hated admitting that she went to the gym with a "sick" child, but knew that people saw her there.

Yet, as I type this, I wonder, WHY, if this was part of her plan, would she even go to the gym where there are so many witnesses and cameras? Oh, because this was her routine, and today (June 4) it was an alibi. I would guess that the whole "Baby K had an earache" was a really bad, hastily constructed LIE, used AFTER THE FACT, when Terri was asked about what she was doing those 90 minutes prior to going to the gym. She just didn't think it through ~ you know, the part where a good mother doesn't take a sick child to the gym. And, apparently, most parents don't even consider driving back roads for an hour an a half a good remedy for a child's ear ache.

God, this is just horrible and some touch of humor seems the only way to find relief from the angst of this tonight! (not saying I'm funny, just that I keep seeing how ludicrous and nonsensical this whole tale of Terri's is).Oh, yeah, in my opinion.

Some more OPINIONS of mine.

 

[newone]

I can share an anecdotal experience with kids with ear aches (which in my kids always translated to ear infections) and trying to sooth them with driving them about in a car.

None of my 5 (or my two step daughters who we had custody of when they were toddlers and infants) kids could be soothed or consoled by anything much less a car ride for an ear ache or ear infection. If I wasn't up all night the night before and had already made my way to the Doc or ER, I would take them right in because IMHO there isn't nothing worse than a toddler with an ear infection. Lordy. I don't miss those days at all.

But then again each child is different I guess. JMHO.

My experience with only 3 kids parallels yours -- and it was EMPHASIZED my my docs to get kids in immediately for care for all of the reasons you outlined above.:angel:

 

[PDXMom]

My thought on this was utilizing a swimming pool that one of TH's cohorts had access to. We are going swimming would be great fun for a child so no problem getting him in the pool and then possible disposal in the water (Sauvie Island) would account for water in the lungs, etc....undetermined cause of death. Just IMO of course.

Except that it was cold and rainy that day, and hadn't been nice enough all spring to even think about swimming, at least in an outdoor pool. The disposal in the water at SI makes a lot of sense, but I'm going with either drugging or a quick knock on the head with a blunt instrument prior. JMO

 

[momoftwo2002]

Seeking Truth.....don't sell yourself short. It sounds to me like you have a wonderful sense of humor.....And so many of us sit here with a heavy heart, wishing sweet Kyron would come home happy and alive, a sense of humor is truely needed.

 

[KeyboardCat]

Question:

Terri was at the gym around 11:00/11:30am, right?

DeDe supposed left sometime after 11:00am when doing the gardening thing.

So people have narrowed down the suspicious window to about 30minutes?

Doesn't that mean they wouldn't have had time to be seen together leaving SI, as was said?

 

[momoftwo2002]

Except that it was cold and rainy that day, and hadn't been nice enough all spring to even think about swimming, at least in an outdoor pool. The disposal in the water at SI makes a lot of sense, but I'm going with either drugging or a quick knock on the head with a blunt instrument prior. JMO

Good point! I didn't remember that it was cold and rainy that day. I'm seeing things more your way also. NC is so blazing hot (100 degrees for tomorrow) I have swimming pool on the brain.