Timeline Discussion

[SmoothOperator]

Could it be a matter of LE policy? They can't speak of the things that Kaine and Desiree are allowed to speak of?

So, LE denies that that certain information came from them, but they do NOT add that what Kaine and Desiree have stated is untrue. I think if Kyron's parents were telling falsehoods regarding the investigation, then LE would be duty bound (and would want) to come out and state that K and D are not being honest.

That hasn't happened. What reason do Kaine and Desiree have to lie? They want their son found. They know who "disappeared" him, LE knows who "disappeared" him (to me, that is more than obvious), so I would guess that LE is cheering on K and D, in the background, as they release information to the press, that LE itself shouldn't.

My opinion.

ITA and wanted to add that also LE is briefing these 3(including TY) DAILY, so if what the 3 were turning around and reporting in the media were complete falsehoods I just do not see LE allowing a persons character to be drug thru the mud per their briefings in a way.. That would open them up to HUGE LAWSUIT, especially considering that the person drug thru the mud has such an outstanding lawyer..

 

[bessie]

In my opinion, if the MFH plan is indeed true, I think TH plotted it not because she despises Kaine but because she wanted 2 things: Money and freedom. Again, just my opinion.
Gosh this case gets crazier every day doesn't it? I have a feeling it is going to get even crazier next week for some reason.
Kyron we are doing all we can to find you!! :heart:

And as an added bonus, the attention she craves, as you, yourself, pointed out below. A widow with two young children who lost her husband to murder or an accident, if it was staged that way, would garner a lot of sympathy. Unless she became a suspect. But an individual who would harm or kill for attention wouldn't give much consideration to being blamed.

As for the Hormans living a normal life, appearances are everything. Narcissists seek out partners who are either gullible or simply don't question the status quo. Kaine might be that type of man. As long as everything appeared all right on the surface, he assumed all was well. The PPD, if it really was PPD, got his attention, but when Terri seemed to have calmed down a month or two before Kyron's disappearance, he assumed she was better. No crying and screaming, eh, she's good. Had he given it more thought, he might've found that just the opposite was true. Not bashing him. I know a lot of men like that.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Terri had to take the sick, whiney toddler to the athletic center daycare because she needed to have an excuse to use the athletic center's shower/bathroom. After working out( with groceries melting in the car?), she could change clothes and dispose of clothes if needed. In many photos, Terri has on dark colored athletic pants and she may have owned several pairs if she worked out numerous days/week. If one pair was disposed, nobody would notice because she has others.

NEVER thought of that!!! Do they have cameras on the workout areas of her gym? Would be interesting to check if she did actually work out for an hour. Good thinking, Pensfan!

 

[seeking truth]

I don't see the DA playing hard-ball with the child on the stand. That wouldn't sit well with the jury, IMO.

Grandma not only put T at risk but the eventual prosecution as well. Way to go, (unusual person).

Calliope, if you re-read my post, I said something to the effect that the DA would ask the child carefully worded questions. What I meant by that was, the D.A. would NOT badger the child or try to "hurt" him in any way. I also think that they would not bring him to court as a witness at all, unless they truly had to, and then they would be very careful with him.

As for the grandmother, wasn't there a big discussion here about why she would have subjected this little boy to a television interview, especially after we (the public) were informed that all witnesses had been asked to be silent?

It appears that the grandmother had no thought to the eventual prosecution of Terri, nor the fact that her grandson could be subjected to a court procedure.

My opinions.

 

[human]

But the flimsy alibi hardly speaks to the premeditation theory, unless she is just one of those dumb criminals who do everything except one thing, like leave their glove behind...

If she had plotted and planned this with the so-called doctor appointment, the truck, etc. why would she not have had someplace she could have been for those 90 minutes? She could have driven to whereever she meant to leave Kyron and bought something nearby, to prove why she went there. Why leave a 90-minute gap of nothingness, if all so plotted?

I always thought something happened as a reult of an accident or a temper on Terri's part and this alibi makes me think so even more. She doesn't know what to say she what she was doing, as she did probably did drive around aimlessly if she had just killed and buried or dumped Kyron and then went to the gym to make her day seem more normal, to have another place on record. She probably even when to the store after killing him, if she did, to have some things on record. But she must not have been driving when and where she said she was if her phone records don't match.

It is a very dumb alibi for a calculating pre-planned crime.

And I still do not know what anyone means by "handing off." Who is out there with hands open to accept a 7-year old boy? To involve themselves in a felony? To do this for Terri? She did not seem to have access to large amounts of money and not too many tried and true criminals are going to take the kid and wait months, or years for the money until child is declared dead or Terri can get a settlement from the school. It might fit with this bizarre case, but I see it as wishful thinking.

1. She had some source of money to give the MFH guy.

2. She was counting on the perv factor for the missing child. Some alibi needed, but it can be in flux. Not that big of a deal.

 

[human]

NEVER thought of that!!! Do they have cameras on the workout areas of her gym? Would be interesting to check if she did actually work out for an hour. Good thinking, Pensfan!

I go to a gym that is totally open to any public member. It is attached to a hospital. They do have cams in the different areas in case anyone has a heart attack or something.

But there is a 24 hour gym closer to my house that is only staffed for some hours of the day. I have never been there, but I can't imagine what the point of cameras would be there. That one is only one room , as well.

 

[BeanE]

I was under the impression until this timeline was released that she couldn't recall where she went that day..She just couldn't remember..
I know I recall reading that was the case... It has even been discussed in one of the threads in this forum...JMO

Desiree young shared for the first time that she knew stepmom terri horman was unable to account to police for her actions for several hours on june 4th, the day kyron went missing.

desiree young:i remember what i ate that day and she doesnt remember where she was?

http://wibw.videogenesis.net/watch?v=10420

 

[seeking truth]

ITA and wanted to add that also LE is briefing these 3(including TY) DAILY, so if what the 3 were turning around and reporting in the media were complete falsehoods I just do not see LE allowing a persons character to be drug thru the mud per their briefings in a way.. That would open them up to HUGE LAWSUIT, especially considering that the person drug thru the mud has such an outstanding lawyer..

Thanks, SmoothOperator. I shouldn't have left out Tony as being one of the three adults that LE has been briefing.

The way I've seen it, LE has been very close to this family, and they were able to observe Terri from the very beginning. It was so absolutely clear how considerate they were of Desiree, Kaine, and Tony, yet when you watch the first family news conference there is not one officer that reaches out to Terri. Not when they are arriving outside, not during the news briefing, not as they escorted the four adults outside. Terri hopped in a van and an officer put his/her hand on Kaine's back, in a comforting gesture, as he climbed in after her. (That is just one example of how different officers were reaching out to Desiree, Kaine, and Tony during that first press conference).

I found this all really interesting, and is one of the reasons I've thought that the three (along with LE) knew from near the very beginning that Terri was the culprit.

So, there are things that LE can say and can't say, yet the family can share with the media what LE cannot. Body language is really hard to conceal. So is genuine concern.

My thoughts on this.

 

[BeanE]

ITA and wanted to add that also LE is briefing these 3(including TY) DAILY, so if what the 3 were turning around and reporting in the media were complete falsehoods I just do not see LE allowing a persons character to be drug thru the mud per their briefings in a way.. That would open them up to HUGE LAWSUIT, especially considering that the person drug thru the mud has such an outstanding lawyer..

If Kaine, Desiree, Tony, or John Doe state falsehoods, how would LE stop them, why would LE stop them, and why would LE get sued? I don't understand. How is LE responsible for what a member of the public says?

 

[BeanE]

I recall reading something about a red car and a white pickup, being on SI on June 4th, but not a blue explorer..JMO

I know the blue explorer is a rumor and where it comes from, but that red car and white pickup on Sauvie - where does that come from? Is that a rumor or do you have a link?

 

[SmoothOperator]

1. She had some source of money to give the MFH guy.

2. She was counting on the perv factor for the missing child. Some alibi needed, but it can be in flux. Not that big of a deal.

above bbm. I think this statement right here that human just made is THE ENTIRE CRUX OF WHICH TERRI BASED AND CREATED HER ENTIRE PLAN AROUND.. Thus you see what now looks like she DID NOT DO A VERY GOOD job of premeditating and planning this, therefor that is leading ppl to lean toward her innocence...

I say NOTHING could be farther from true, it is only "appearing" this way because she DID NOT PLAN for it to coming heaping down on her. IMO she thought full well and IMO planned completely based on the assumption of the "perv factor". I think she thought she had come to the perfect conclusion that she WOULD NOT BE suspect because of her "dropping Kyron off at school" and that would be where the suspiscion fell on the school, workers, perv entering, etc, etc.



eta~Lastly, just as an added FACT, Kyron STILL HAS NOT BEEN FOUND and I know there are quite a few of us that have concluded Terri's involvement, that said she must planned somewhat well, atleast with this part of her plan, because LE has yet to find Kyron ALMOST 2 FULL MONTHS LATER!

 

[seeking truth]

If Kaine, Desiree, Tony, or John Doe state falsehoods, how would LE stop them, why would LE stop them, and why would LE get sued? I don't understand. How is LE responsible for what a member of the public says?

If Kaine, Desiree, or Tony stated things about the investigation that were LIES, LE would come out and refute the lies. It is their investigation.

My thoughts on this.

 

[SuziQ]

I guess what I can't get past is how anyone could have a drugged or worse child in their truck, go into grocery stores like nothing was wrong, be missing for 90 minutes (presumably disposing of the child), then go into the gym and work out like nothings wrong. We are not talking about Bundy or Manson here, how, if God forbid, the worse had happened was she able to pull that off? Wouldn't the people in the gym notice if she had been acting strange that day? Or, maybe they did and we just don't know. I just can't wrap my mind around it.

Chris Coleman did exactly this and that was right after slaughtering his wife and two little boys. LWOP or the death penalty is a great motivator for these creeps to pull off normal behavior.

 

[cluciano63]

Sadly, if Terri is involved, yes, she has managed to keep LE guessing for quite a while. Sure, they may think they know who did it, but just like with Haleigh, it doesn't mean a thing if they can't prove it.

I am reading about a case now where the police had several witnesses who had seen this man driving the vehicle of the murdered women, her jewelry was found where he had told someone it would be found, he was last seen 4/10 mile from where she was abducted, they have her body, and yet until the DNA match comes in they don't feel they can arrest him. So it is that easy to get an indictment.

 

[human]

I wonder , too, about the sibling of Kaine who was arrested as a perv.

That has been going on for a long time (the case). I wonder if that gave her some ideas as well.

And no, I do not believe that she rescued Kyron from Kaine.

 

[GameTheory]

I was under the impression until this timeline was released that she couldn't recall where she went that day..She just couldn't remember..
I know I recall reading that was the case... It has even been discussed in one of the threads in this forum...JMO

Indeed, thx!

Also BeanE brought this:

Desiree young shared for the first time that she knew stepmom terri horman was unable to account to police for her actions for several hours on june 4th, the day kyron went missing.

desiree young:i remember what i ate that day and she doesnt remember where she was?

http://wibw.videogenesis.net/watch?v=10420

 

[BeanE]

If Kaine, Desiree, or Tony stated things about the investigation that were LIES, LE would come out and refute the lies. It is their investigation.

My thoughts on this.

I disagree. I think they would say something like "that is a personal issue I believe that you would have to contact the parties of the family and obtain that information through them".

I just don't see how it's LE's responsibility what other people say to the media. Dear God. I can't imagine LE having to add to their workload people to monitor everything said on all the TV shows, Nancy Grace, HLN, Today Show, Early Show, Good Morning America, in all the print media, in all the online news media, not to mention all the social sites, websites, and forums all over the internet to make sure nobody says anything that's a lie. That would be... impossible!

 

[Kimster]

My eyes are starting to cross! HELP ME!

Okay, where is the info coming from on the vehicles? Sorry, I've been out a lot lately and need to catch up.

 

[BeanE]

My eyes are starting to cross! HELP ME!

Okay, where is the info coming from on the vehicles? Sorry, I've been out a lot lately and need to catch up.

blue explorer = parking lot thread

 

[SmoothOperator]

Thanks, SmoothOperator. I shouldn't have left out Tony as being one of the three adults that LE has been briefing.

The way I've seen it, LE has been very close to this family, and they were able to observe Terri from the very beginning. It was so absolutely clear how considerate they were of Desiree, Kaine, and Tony, yet when you watch the first family news conference there is not one officer that reaches out to Terri. Not when they are arriving outside, not during the news briefing, not as they escorted the four adults outside. Terri hopped in a van and an officer put his/her hand on Kaine's back, in a comforting gesture, as he climbed in after her. (That is just one example of how different officers were reaching out to Desiree, Kaine, and Tony during that first press conference).

I found this all really interesting, and is one of the reasons I've thought that the three (along with LE) knew from near the very beginning that Terri was the culprit.

So, there are things that LE can say and can't say, yet the family can share with the media what LE cannot. Body language is really hard to conceal. So is genuine concern.

My thoughts on this.

yes seeking truth, you are once again dead on. As I began reading your above post, immediately I thought that I would reply speaking of what your exact description of that first PC and just how telling it truly was(for me) that no one reaches out to Terri, there aqre officers that lend a tender touch of comfort to DY during, and yes while they were being ushered into the vehicle, and also when they are leaving from the PC room, the officer puts a comforting hand on DY's back, next Terri walks thru and nothing then Kaine and the comforting hand is put on his back... So your post basically said exactly what I was thinking and yes to me, it is very telling, even then.