Timeline Discussion

[BeanE]

So. Timeline. Where are you all thinking at this point that Kyron was while Terri was grocery shopping?

For myself, to recap, I think someone else took Kyron from the school, Terri went grocery shopping, and then possibly, if she's involved, she met up with them during the rural road time period.

 

[Kimster]

Blue explorer
Red car
White pickup

Reported seen on Sauvie? Do we have links for these from MSM? If not, just tell me. My ray gun is in the closet and I'm too lazy to dig it out.

 

[sorrell skye]

What do we REALLY know about this woman? How can we deduce that she has "lived a fairly stable life up to this point?"

She doesn't have swarms of people coming to her defense, describing a wonderful, upper-middle-class wife and mother. Appearances mean nothing. Actions, everything.

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And with the recent LE investigation into several friends who have been supporting her privately, and now with the apparent exodus of friends who say they're distancing themselves lest they, too, get caught in the crosshairs of the investigation (whether they know anything or not) I don't expect that anyone will dare to say anything positive about TH @ this point, unless they want to risk being accused of aiding & abetting her.

It has had a definite chilling effect I think on anyone who might speak out in her defense.

 

[AvalonBlue]

In the wall of hope interview he does not speak of red flags, terris behavior, etc. He doesnt speak about terri at all and repeats he isnt going to answer questions about her, either.
seeking truth, is dead on when speaking of all of the patterns, signs, etc that more than likely have been displayed over the months and years by terri and of course kaine is going to deny and downplay any "red flags"(just as hes done when DY has said she had seen red flags)this IMO would be expected(atleast still at this time, 7 weeks out and possibly forever)that kaine does and will deny, downplay, and ignore all of the "red flags" that possibly were occurring. #1 because he fears it would look negatively on him for not being more aware and not doing more to look into what was truly going on with Terri and #2 even if it didnt look negatively on him then I think the guilt associated with the 20/20 of hindsight would almost be more than a human could bear...
So I would not take Kaines denial of Terri showing any signs whatsoever with any more weight than a grain of salt..

And let me clarify I am not saying nor implying Kaine is at fault in anyway, tho his demeanor at times is oddly very flat i still think he is a victim of Terri in this as are many others. So am not in any way faulting Kaine rather just saying its quite expected that you will not hear the true nature of Terri's demeanor leading up to Kyrons disappearance, because of reasons I stated above.

I agree with you that Kaine may not be able to talk publicly about "the true nature of Terri's demeanor…" however, I do think that at some time in the future we will a lot from others, including Desiree -- although I realize she will be dealing with many of the same emotions as Kaine.

As to Kaine's demeanor, as I've stated elsewhere on a thread, he IS an engineer and the stereotypical jokes about engineers (God love 'em) do have some truth. I do believe we have seen Kaine change over time into being more expressive -- as the initial shock has worn off -- and his emotions at the last Wall of Hope interview made my heart break for him.

 

[BeanE]

Blue explorer
Red car
White pickup

Reported seen on Sauvie? Do we have links for these from MSM? If not, just tell me. My ray gun is in the closet and I'm too lazy to dig it out.

I haven't seen links for any of these vehicles on Sauvie in MSM.

 

[sorrell skye]

Blue explorer
Red car
White pickup

Reported seen on Sauvie? Do we have links for these from MSM? If not, just tell me. My ray gun is in the closet and I'm too lazy to dig it out.

Kimster, I believe the red car & the white pickup allegedly seen on SI that some have referred to came from the comments section below a news article. So, it may be a rumor, maybe not, but AFAIK it hasn't been reported in the MSM.

 

[Wrinkles]

BBM.
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But also the truck thing has always bothered me. She used Kaine's truck that day because she wanted to bring the fold up cardboard science fair project home. She didn't collect the project at 845am when she left because the science fair was still going on then. She didn't collect it after school when she could have driven Kyron home at the same time - who knows why.

She (allegedly) emailed the teacher sometime after 120pm to ask when she could come get the project... probably she was not expecting the teacher to be checking her email during class, so was she really expecting to pick it up that day (the ostensible reason for driving the truck)? And if she was expecting the teacher to respond right away, why didn't she ask if the teacher could keep Kyron from getting on the bus as she'd be at the school anyway and they could ride home together?

Hmm...thanks for sharing the thinking...and the questions

1. She took the truck to pickup the project
2. She didn't pick it up at 10. Did other parents? why didn't she?)
3. She wrote to ask when she could pick it up (when? after 1:20?)
4. At the very least she could have picked it up when class was over

So, if she was going to do shopping from 8:45 on, expecting to pick up the project at 10, and IF she did say she was shopping until 10:10, then perhaps the reality OR her purpose for saying that was so that she could say, "Oh, I didn't get out of the store in time enough to arrive at the school by 10 and didn't want to disrupt the class?" BUT...if she had showed up at 10:10...might someone have asked, "Is Kyron with you?"

What was in that email sent to the teacher? AND when was it actually written? "Did it say, sorry...had doctors appt couldn't get to school at 10, when can I pick up the project?" or "Sorry, couldn't get out of the grocery store to pick up the project by 10 etc."

But why would she ask when she could pick it up? Certainly she knew the pace at the school? Certainly the school sent out info as to when the parents had to have the projects at the school and when they could pick them up and take them home? I wonder if there was a sheet of paper with that info pegged up on some board at the home? (stuck with a magnet on the refrigerator like at our house when the kids were little?)

At the very least, she must have known the project could be picked up after classes that day.

I'm wondering... If that email was written after 1:20, surely there is no way that she thought the teacher "might not" read it when it came UNLESS she had asked the teacher, "When do you get emails" AND knew she wouldn't read it until a certain point in time? What point in time? After class was over? By then it would be too late to say "You can pick it up after class today?" i.e. Terri might get the return email at that particular time and be able to get to the school before the janitors had cleaned and locked up.

Finally... IF that email was sent at 1:20 or afterward, was the purpose for Terri to see if the teacher would respond with, "Do you have Kyron?" or "How did Kyron's doctor's appt. go?" Did she write that email hoping that as soon as it was read, the s**t would start hitting the fan on Kyron's whereabouts? Did Terri know what time Kaine would be home that day and try to plan this to surprise him at that time?

And then I think about the Kaine and the baby walking to the bus stop with Terri following behind. I wonder if Kaine did that as a normal thing, if Terri followed as a normal thing? Or did Terri suggest Kaine take the baby for a walk to the bus stop -- knowing that as soon as he found out Kyron wasn't on the bus, worry would set in and she wanted him to have the blunt force hit him?

Is it possible that Terri was hoping to begin the whole crisis earlier when the email was sent? But then we don't know when the email was sent OR are we positive it was? and do we know what it contained? or from where it was sent?

I'd say the timing of the email and its content is fairly important IF there was one.

 

[SuziQ]

My eyes are starting to cross! HELP ME!

Okay, where is the info coming from on the vehicles? Sorry, I've been out a lot lately and need to catch up.

I actually watched a video of DD driving a blue explorer. It also showed a clip of her dad sitting in one. I'm going to assume her dad was driving for her that day?

ETA: watched the vid at like 3am. It might have been on Orgegonlive.

 

[Jules71]

So. Timeline. Where are you all thinking at this point that Kyron was while Terri was grocery shopping?

For myself, to recap, I think someone else took Kyron from the school, Terri went grocery shopping, and then possibly, if she's involved, she met up with them during the rural road time period.

Interesting thought BeanE. If TMH is involved, who would she be able to get take Kyron from the school without being noticed? Do you think she arranged it with Kyron, saying something like I have to run, but so-and-so will pick you up around front to take you to your appt? Or do you think she had someone just snatch him? I keep writing different scenarios and then deleting them because I just can't figure out how she would have gotten someone else to get him out of school and that person has not come forward by now - unless she paid someone to abduct and kill him, or abduct and sell him. I just don't know....

 

[Wrinkles]

The type of evidence that LE didn't find since they didn't impound the vehicle. The type of evidence that LE didn't find because Kyron's father is driving all over town right now in that truck.

Wonder if there are any signs that the truck got washed that day, sometime before Terri arriving home? Maybe she was "desperate to get in her workout, and was really frustrated with a sick child," so she asked a friend for a big favor -- "I'm supposed to get the truck washed today and I'm so stressed, also the baby has been sick -- I'd really like to get to my work out" -- "Could you help me for about an hour? Could you get the truck done while I'm working out?" And oh...by the way...I spilled x in the back of the truck and it smells bad...could you have them do that with some BLEACH?

 

[Emeralgem]

I know the blue explorer is a rumor and where it comes from, but that red car and white pickup on Sauvie - where does that come from? Is that a rumor or do you have a link?

Bean E. I have checked everywhere to find where this was discussed and cannot find it however I do know it was mentioned in this forum somewhere.. Is it a rumor? I don't know....JMO

 

[BeanE]

I actually watched a video of DD driving a blue explorer. It also showed a clip of her dad sitting in one. I'm going to assume her dad was driving for her that day?

ETA: watched the vid at like 3am. It might have been on Orgegonlive.

A video of a blue explorer on Sauvie on June 4?

 

[SuziQ]

A video of a blue explorer on Sauvie on June 4?

No. I was just clarifying that a blue explorer exists. Sorry!

 

[Wrinkles]

Me and the dbf are talking this timeline over..
He drives around this area a lot (me too, but him even more)

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So, to summarize, from 8:45 to 10:10.. = 85 minutes
times are approx and from our experiences in driving the roads here

15 mins to get from Skyline School to Fred Meyer's on Imbrie
25 mins to get from Fred Meyer's to Albertson's on BHH (that's in good traffic)

that leaves
23 minutes for one store
and
22 minutes for the other

These minutes (for each store) would include parking, getting baby out, shopping, going through check out, going back to car, putting items purchased and baby back in car..

It can be done, but it would make more sense if the two stores were closer together.
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AND why would you do all of this with a sick baby? How important were those groceries? OH and just what were the groceries?

Why not wait until the sick baby was napping with daddy to do some quick runs to the store?

 

[SusieMom]

I just want to point out that although a parent MIGHT drive around an INFANT to get that child to sleep, they would not do so for a toddler unless they were prepared to drive around (or park someplace) for the child's entire nap. Why? Because today's infant car seats are designed to be removable... get the baby to sleep, carry her in to the house, gym, store, wherever, carseat and all. If baby was asleep and would likely stay asleep, I could totally buy parking her in the gym childcare area, especially if I knew that the earache wasn't something contagious and didn't need immediate treatment. I could easily buy that story....

EXCEPT... Baby K is too big/old for an infant seat.. by a LOT... she would be in a regular carseat that is NOT easily removable.. no way could you do it with the kid in the seat. Now, I'm a stay at home mom and I've stayed out for longer than planned so as to not interrupt a kid's carseat nap (but I generally grab a diet coke from a Drive thru and park someplace, its why I never leave home without a book or magazine in the car) but only if I figure its the only way said child is going to get a nap in that day and if I have the time to spare. Otherwise, I'd attempt to transfer sleeping child to her bed (practically never works.)

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that its not out of the realm of possibility that while driving away from the store, Baby K fell asleep and rather than go home she drove around while she napped, possibly b/c she knew the child was feeling poorly and needed the sleep.But that's a different thing than saying she decided to drive her around because of the earache... rather she drove around to let Baby K sleep rather than taking her home and waking her up b/c of the earache.

I guess it could be that the reporter got it wrong.Just sayin'

P.S. I actually do think she was involved but I believe in being fair....

 

[SmoothOperator]

I know the blue explorer is a rumor and where it comes from, but that red car and white pickup on Sauvie - where does that come from? Is that a rumor or do you have a link?

Thanks BeanE, thats what I needed to know if the account of the cars on SI was fact or rumor. I deleted my post about it, but wanted to get some sort of confirmation on whether fact or rumor and you dont know until you ask. Its deleted.

 

[suzet]

Terri had to take the sick, whiney toddler to the athletic center daycare because she needed to have an excuse to use the athletic center's shower/bathroom. After working out( with groceries melting in the car?), she could change clothes and dispose of clothes if needed. In many photos, Terri has on dark colored athletic pants and she may have owned several pairs if she worked out numerous days/week. If one pair was disposed, nobody would notice because she has others.

*BBM*
Great point! I had also thought very early in this case that Terri may have showered and changed at the gym the morning of June 4. I thought perhaps she brought extra clothes to change into so she could dispose of the original clothes she wore during her driving spree, but I didn't think about her having a duplicate outfit to change into. Heck, if she was thorough, maybe even a duplicate set of shoes. Excellent point on your part!

 

[SmoothOperator]

Blue explorer
Red car
White pickup

Reported seen on Sauvie? Do we have links for these from MSM? If not, just tell me. My ray gun is in the closet and I'm too lazy to dig it out.

Sorry if added to any of the confusion with the whole cars and SI. I just wanted to know if there was a link confirming that sighting or if it was strictly rumor. BeanE answered my question that yes, rumor and Parking Lot is where I was seeing it. With that I immediately deleted my post that was questioning if it was fact or fiction.

Sorry, please don't get me with the ray gun!!!

 

[ami]

Hmm...thanks for sharing the thinking...and the questions

1. She took the truck to pickup the project
2. She didn't pick it up at 10. Did other parents? why didn't she?)
3. She wrote to ask when she could pick it up (when? after 1:20?)
4. At the very least she could have picked it up when class was over

So, if she was going to do shopping from 8:45 on, expecting to pick up the project at 10, and IF she did say she was shopping until 10:10, then perhaps the reality OR her purpose for saying that was so that she could say, "Oh, I didn't get out of the store in time enough to arrive at the school by 10 and didn't want to disrupt the class?" BUT...if she had showed up at 10:10...might someone have asked, "Is Kyron with you?"

What was in that email sent to the teacher? AND when was it actually written? "Did it say, sorry...had doctors appt couldn't get to school at 10, when can I pick up the project?" or "Sorry, couldn't get out of the grocery store to pick up the project by 10 etc."

But why would she ask when she could pick it up? Certainly she knew the pace at the school? Certainly the school sent out info as to when the parents had to have the projects at the school and when they could pick them up and take them home? I wonder if there was a sheet of paper with that info pegged up on some board at the home? (stuck with a magnet on the refrigerator like at our house when the kids were little?)

At the very least, she must have known the project could be picked up after classes that day.

I'm wondering... If that email was written after 1:20, surely there is no way that she thought the teacher "might not" read it when it came UNLESS she had asked the teacher, "When do you get emails" AND knew she wouldn't read it until a certain point in time? What point in time? After class was over? By then it would be too late to say "You can pick it up after class today?" i.e. Terri might get the return email at that particular time and be able to get to the school before the janitors had cleaned and locked up.

Finally... IF that email was sent at 1:20 or afterward, was the purpose for Terri to see if the teacher would respond with, "Do you have Kyron?" or "How did Kyron's doctor's appt. go?" Did she write that email hoping that as soon as it was read, the s**t would start hitting the fan on Kyron's whereabouts? Did Terri know what time Kaine would be home that day and try to plan this to surprise him at that time?

And then I think about the Kaine and the baby walking to the bus stop with Terri following behind. I wonder if Kaine did that as a normal thing, if Terri followed as a normal thing? Or did Terri suggest Kaine take the baby for a walk to the bus stop -- knowing that as soon as he found out Kyron wasn't on the bus, worry would set in and she wanted him to have the blunt force hit him?

Is it possible that Terri was hoping to begin the whole crisis earlier when the email was sent? But then we don't know when the email was sent OR are we positive it was? and do we know what it contained? or from where it was sent?

I'd say the timing of the email and its content is fairly important IF there was one.

I think she was counting on the busy teacher not checking her email mid-day during school. How many really do? If there's an emergency you call and talk in person, if you put it in an email they generally respond after school when they've had the chance to sit down and attend to administrative tasks.

TH was a teacher herself. So I'm certain she wasn't expecting a mid-day return email about a non-emergency subject from Kyron's teacher on a day that included a sci fair and a talent show (busy, off-schedule, holiday-feel day).

She was probably doing this to establish that at whatever time the email was sent, she was at home, business as usual, just another caring mom checking out a detail about her child's school needs, all is well, nothing going on here folks, etc.

 

[Emeralgem]

Sorry if added to any of the confusion with the whole cars and SI. I just wanted to know if there was a link confirming that sighting or if it was strictly rumor. BeanE answered my question that yes, rumor and Parking Lot is where I was seeing it. With that I immediately deleted my post that was questioning if it was fact or fiction.

Sorry, please don't get me with the ray gun!!!

I have deleted mine also, but I do know I read something somewhere about a red car and a white pickup on SI...And it was being discussed too... I didn't just pull it out of my rear...Perhaps it was in a comment section of a link that was posted on this site...JMO