Timmy & Chelsea Croslin; and the hours before Haleigh went missing.

[dodie20]

I got the impression Misty was referring to Tommy and Joe, but honestly, Dodie, I agree with LALaw. Misty's claim that the truth would hurt two people was a crock, just part of the Joe-did-it fairy tale.

It probably was a part of that mess, & was meant to be a crock, but I still think there might've been some truth to it.

 

[Just Jayla]

bolded by me...

See!!!! The Cummings are showing ...when they do stuff.. like that...making gun gestures to others...that they are implying ..that's what this family does when angry at others....threatening volience...harm done to others...I can see now where Ron gets his appitite/logic/reason for guns....
TN..AS...shame on you.....

These women can be dangerous...moo

BBM-Well where the heck did I get mine? I enjoy my guns and have a very nice collection-which I don't use to harm or threaten people with...unless of course someone were threatening me and it required deadly force, you never point a gun at someone unless you intend to use it (legally).

At any rate, I am not sure when Flora became more credible than Teresa. Didn't she blame Joe at one point herself? Which also leads me to ask...why does LE seem to have no interest in Joe or Ron as suspects, or can we believe that maybe LE is leaving it open and leaving us to guess (which maybe they should in light of the Caylee publicity, want to keep it closer to the vest?)
For Chelsea to say that Misty has a good childhood is awkward. Her parents are both in jail right now, does not sound healthy, and without making rude stereotypical leaps, the area in which they reside does not appear to be a neighborhood where education and family values flourish. Yes, I know people do not have to be bad because they come from a bad area, but I have to believe that crime stats would demonstrate that this area is more prone to drugs and violent crime than other areas (Jupiter Island?) in Florida. Misty may not have been a bad child, but I know she was exposed to bad, bad things.

Keeping my fingers crossed that some sort of maturity kicks in and Misty starts talking.

 

[B4igo2it]

I think that it is interesting that Chelsea said that Ron picked up Haleigh at the bus stop and that she didn't see Misty in the car, but Misty later told her she was with him. Hmmmm, what if TN was actually the one with him. I think that could help a lot of things fall into place here. IMHO.

I was wondering about this too. good point :waitasec:

 

[SmoothOperator]

I'm not so sure that Misty would've confided the truth in Chelsea and Timmy IF she's covering for Ronald. Chelsea said Misty only trashed Ron when she was angry with him, and that rings true. So, if Misty was keeping quiet out of loyalty to Ron, I don't think she would've shared the truth with Ch and Tim.

On the other hand, if Misty is guilty, she might very well have called on Ch and Tim for help. But now that we know how well Chelsea listens, he!!, Misty might've told her the truth and she just missed it. :loser:

Above BBM. You got that right! [including the :loser: "smiley"]

 

[SmoothOperator]

It makes a LOT of sense how TN and AS manipulated Misty, they had a vested interest in that they needed an always available babysitter ... it also further enabled Ron by providing him with a girlfriend -- because he couldn't keep them (didn't deserve them).

It speaks volumes about the night HaLeigh was killed since Misty had come from a 3-day bender and did NOT want to babysit and TN/AS convinced her ... this all came to a head and HaLeigh suffered the consequences of their actions.

IMO Ron, TN and, AS are culpable and given their embracing while intimidating Misty explains why no-one talked. Misty had mixed emotions, both wanting the 'love' and gifts so was incentivized to keep quiet as well as threatened and, what better loyalty than to have the secret shared between Ron, TN and, AS ... a mother's love.

Tommy knows nothing, he was an accessory. Misty knows little but is involved / threatened. Ron, TN and, AS know and control everything. LE have the challenge of bringing down a son protected by two 'mothers', one former LE.

Above BBM. JMO, but NO way, NO how this lovely guy has placed himself EVERYWHERE in, around, and everywhere in between Haleigh's murder, including disposal and all the after-the fact and NOT be directly involved..

Nope, no way this :loser: is NOT directly involved.. jmo, tho...

 

[dodie20]

Above BBM. JMO, but NO way, NO how this lovely guy has placed himself EVERYWHERE in, around, and everywhere in between Haleigh's murder, including disposal and all the after-the fact and NOT be directly involved..

Nope, no way this :loser: is NOT directly involved.. jmo, tho...

that's MOO on Tommy too. Awhile back, I wrote a post about why he might be lying, & the answers were so ridiculous, they made me laugh. There's no reason, other than insanity, that he would make up such implicating lies. & I think Tommy's a lot of things, but insane isn't one of them. It's human nature to minimize one's own involvement, so I shudder to think of what he's left out.

 

[Snowbunny]

As much as I would like to believe that Chelsea is telling the truth, I cannot help but believe that she is reading these boards and just repeating what she has read as the gospil truth. Everything that she is all of a sudden saying has been repeatedly discussed on these boards in depth. Sorry, I don't buy 90% of what she is saying because she has changed her story for umpteenth time. The only part of the story that I might even consider believing is the blanket story because it was stated early on that RC had thrown all of Misty's belongs all overy NayNay's yard. So for Chelsea to say that she when down there and picked up Misty's belongs, to include the infamous blanket and they were left in the van I might give that statement credince. Now if the same stories were coming from Misty about RC and Company having their hand in the pot then I might consider believing some of this, but I don't think you will see that happen.

 

[Snowbunny]

One might say that I've given up any hope of Misty coming clean about the Cummings or even telling what she does in fact know what happenned to HaLeigh. I believe that she knows enough of what happened to burn the Cummings, but the question is will she tell on them? Bebt not, even if it means part of her family rotting in jail the rest of their lives.

 

[dodie20]

IDK why, but I haven't given up on Misty. I can't help myself, but I think there's something decent there. She's been tough to crack, but I think, when it's all said & done, she'll do the right thing. I don't think she's as hard as LE has portrayed her, & I think now, that the Cummings have turned against her, their influence in keeping her quiet, is gone. Her dad, a huge influence on her, is in jail, & hopefully has no contact with her, & I also hope LE has managed to strip away all of her outside influences, & left her with just her conscience. I see Misty as a girl who has been pulled in different directions, by different people, for different reasons, but now, not much of that matters. They're all in jail, waiting on prison, & I think she realizes the jig is up. & yes, even if she's the murderer, I think she will confess.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I didn't hear Levi's show with Chelsea until last evening when I caught a replay. I was doing fine with what she was saying until towards the end when she described Junior's alleged conversation with "Aunt" Chelsea regarding the "man in black".

I've got to call BS. I don't believe a 4 year old little boy said all of that. As a result, I've got to look at everything she said with suspicion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9rCfv8vqVM

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ok, so I gave myself a short T/O!

Yes, Chelsea claims she can get information out of Misty. She said that on Levi's show last night. Of course I don't believe it! I haven't believed any of them since the beginning. But I do believe that Misty did confide in Chelsea to a point and that Chelsea and Timmy know what happened to Haleigh.

BBM: IIRC, Misty said it was going to hurt two people - one they care about and one not so much. Not the exact words, but close. So, what I get from that statement was that one was family and one was not. That is just my interpretation of it. IF THAT IS EVEN THE TRUTH, WHICH IT IS MOST LIKELY NOT.

I will continue to believe that Ronald was responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh until I see proof or evidence he wasn't.

JMO, and just call me crazy because this case has made me that way!

:crazy:

Could be.

But I would think if the other one was Ron then Misty would have said 'one they care about and one they don't give a flying flip about.' (example) Why would the Croslin family even care about Ron Cummings at all?

It seems when Misty was saying 'one they will care about and the other one not so much' it would be Tommy and Joe who is a long distance cousin who lives in TN and it is obvious, imo, when it comes to Joe the Croslins don't really like Joe.

Didn't Chelsea come out and ask her if it was Ron and she was emphatic that it was not?

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IDK why, but I haven't given up on Misty. I can't help myself, but I think there's something decent there. She's been tough to crack, but I think, when it's all said & done, she'll do the right thing. I don't think she's as hard as LE has portrayed her, & I think now, that the Cummings have turned against her, their influence in keeping her quiet, is gone. Her dad, a huge influence on her, is in jail, & hopefully has no contact with her, & I also hope LE has managed to strip away all of her outside influences, & left her with just her conscience. I see Misty as a girl who has been pulled in different directions, by different people, for different reasons, but now, not much of that matters. They're all in jail, waiting on prison, & I think she realizes the jig is up. & yes, even if she's the murderer, I think she will confess.

Well I guess it is now or never for Misty. I suppose if the DA speaks at her sentencing we will get some grasp if she has finally told the truth or if she continues to throw them half-truths and half-lies in their homicide investigation. If she has finally cooperated, I don't think he will fight what her defense attorney is going to tell the Judge. If not he will counteract with his own argument to the Judge why Misty should not be given a short sentence.

I just cant see him recommending a short prison stint if she continues to hedge on a serious murder investigation. If he is silent and says nothing that pretty much tells me he has washed his hands of Misty and her repeated lies and will leave it strictly up to the Judge to make the decision on sentencing with no input from him.

So it will be interesting to see what the media states happens in the courtroom Friday.

The one thing that continues to bug me though that throughout all of this the one person Misty has protected is herself. It does make me wonder if she has pointed the blame elsewhere because she is very much involved herself.

IMO

 

[LaLaw2000]

Could be.

But I would think if the other one was Ron then Misty would have said 'one they care about and one they don't give a flying flip about.' (example) Why would the Croslin family even care about Ron Cummings at all?

It seems when Misty was saying 'one they will care about and the other one not so much' it would be Tommy and Joe who is a long distance cousin who lives in TN and it is obvious, imo, when it comes to Joe the Croslins don't really like Joe.

Didn't Chelsea come out and ask her if it was Ron and she was emphatic that it was not?

IMO

BBM: I honestly don't remember, oceanblueeyes.

IIRC, the Croslins all seemed pretty chummy in the pics taken with Joe, and then he was with Misty in the pic taken at a store when they were putting up flyers the next morning.

I guess I just think what I think, LOL!

 

[my_tee_mouse]

It could be what you're saying I suppose, but her reaction to hearing the chilling tale told by Flo Hollars was far from any visible sign of anger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbuh368z-g

I think something else that Flo Hollars said on the same NG show could very easily be the reason for the hard feelings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-XNMMJ7U4

She explains her lack of intense emotion very well: She's heard so many stories...this is just yet another one. I imagine if put in her position, we'd all have to brace ourselves up...numb ourselves even...to the gruesome tales being put forth. There is a look of skepticism on her face while the story is being told. Why burst into tears over something that you just do not believe to be true? And no doubt she is considering the source as well.

 

[bessie]

Could be.

But I would think if the other one was Ron then Misty would have said 'one they care about and one they don't give a flying flip about.' (example) Why would the Croslin family even care about Ron Cummings at all?

It seems when Misty was saying 'one they will care about and the other one not so much' it would be Tommy and Joe who is a long distance cousin who lives in TN and it is obvious, imo, when it comes to Joe the Croslins don't really like Joe.

Didn't Chelsea come out and ask her if it was Ron and she was emphatic that it was not?

IMO

I agree with your reasoning. It was obvious to me, too, at the time that Misty's implication was the responsible parties were Tommy and Joe. And she did deny that she was talking about Ron. But that statement to Chelsea was part of Misty's effort to fly the story that Joe killed Haleigh, which in my opinion is a lie.

 

[bessie]

Well I guess it is now or never for Misty. I suppose if the DA speaks at her sentencing we will get some grasp if she has finally told the truth or if she continues to throw them half-truths and half-lies in their homicide investigation. If she has finally cooperated, I don't think he will fight what her defense attorney is going to tell the Judge. If not he will counteract with his own argument to the Judge why Misty should not be given a short sentence.

I just cant see him recommending a short prison stint if she continues to hedge on a serious murder investigation. If he is silent and says nothing that pretty much tells me he has washed his hands of Misty and her repeated lies and will leave it strictly up to the Judge to make the decision on sentencing with no input from him.

So it will be interesting to see what the media states happens in the courtroom Friday.

The one thing that continues to bug me though that throughout all of this the one person Misty has protected is herself. It does make me wonder if she has pointed the blame elsewhere because she is very much involved herself.

IMO

Yep, to the extent that she places herself under the covers while the alleged attack took place. The one thing she hasn't done to protect herself is deny she was at the MH. If she were gone for even part of the evening, she'd be shouting it from the rafters. She was there, all right, and she knows exactly what happened.
As you say, to some extent, she's already pointed the finger at everyone else. So why not tell the whole story? The true story. I can only conclude that the truth will reveal her guilt.

 

[djdj247]

Well I guess it is now or never for Misty. I suppose if the DA speaks at her sentencing we will get some grasp if she has finally told the truth or if she continues to throw them half-truths and half-lies in their homicide investigation. If she has finally cooperated, I don't think he will fight what her defense attorney is going to tell the Judge. If not he will counteract with his own argument to the Judge why Misty should not be given a short sentence.

I just cant see him recommending a short prison stint if she continues to hedge on a serious murder investigation. If he is silent and says nothing that pretty much tells me he has washed his hands of Misty and her repeated lies and will leave it strictly up to the Judge to make the decision on sentencing with no input from him.

So it will be interesting to see what the media states happens in the courtroom Friday.

The one thing that continues to bug me though that throughout all of this the one person Misty has protected is herself. It does make me wonder if she has pointed the blame elsewhere because she is very much involved herself.

IMO

BBM

... and Ronald Cummings.

None of her other stories have proven to be true yet. So maybe, just maybe... they should look at who she hasn't implicated. I just can't believe that Misty is the sole perp of this crime. She had help. They obviously can't prove it was Tommy with the evidence they have or he would have been arrested by now. Same with Joe. JMO.

 

[kant]

IMO, Misty did try to leave, she called her family crying for them to come and get her. By the time they arrived, RONALD HAD CONVINCED Misty that she was staying and that her family had better not show up. Ron was ready to rumble as soon as the Croslins arrived to get their daughter. Ron, the Raging Bull that he is, started beating the hell out of them until they got into the car and left. The actions that followed, ie., Ron making Misty file an RO against Tommy and later we find that she also filed against her own mother, making Misty participate in the Rat in the mailbox threat and should I go on? There are many, many articles and info out there about Ron's violence against Misty as well as AS threatening to throw her out of a window...........we are talking about a teenage girl here, folks........really!

For me, part of Chelsea's interview has a ring of truth; Part of it sounds like she's wingin it (which still may be true, but maybe not rehearsed or well said? IDK)

And above, -- agreed. So much word here, LT.

It's all so sad. Obviously, I feel the most sorrow and grief for the real victim, Haleigh. Next, I feel for Junior. Then, Crystal and Marie et al. But, (wait, let me don my protective headgear) ......

This wont be popular, but... (brace yourself) -- I feel for Misty. Yeah, I said it.

OK, I know she's not an inoocent little pixie, or a Mary Poppins; She won't be canonized any time soon or anything of that nature; but she was a child, legally (and imo, in many other ways as well.) I'm guessing she wanted to leave her family-of-origin's dire straits; Maybe she had an infatuation with an "older man" (cough) and didnt realize that she was jumping out of the frying pan and into the freakin fire until she was ensconced in a situation from which she probably felt was inextricable.

*sigh* I dont know why she covers for Ron unless it's fear, some weird skewed sense of loyalty, or for what passes for "lurve" in her head, or a comination of all of the above. I just dont get it.

moo




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[oceanblueeyes]

BBM: I honestly don't remember, oceanblueeyes.

IIRC, the Croslins all seemed pretty chummy in the pics taken with Joe, and then he was with Misty in the pic taken at a store when they were putting up flyers the next morning.
I guess I just think what I think, LOL!

Me neither. lol

I would expect them to be as close as bed bugs if they were all involved with Haleigh's disappearance. To me that was all for show and cover up.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM

... and Ronald Cummings.

None of her other stories have proven to be true yet. So maybe, just maybe... they should look at who she hasn't implicated. I just can't believe that Misty is the sole perp of this crime. She had help. They obviously can't prove it was Tommy with the evidence they have or he would have been arrested by now. Same with Joe. JMO.

I don't think LE would arrest anyone based solely on what Misty says. Her credibility is zilch. They know they have to have solid evidence whether it is circumstantial or direct to prove their case BARD.

IMO