Timmy & Chelsea Croslin; and the hours before Haleigh went missing.

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One more thought Justus, One reason that Chelsea might want Misty to tell: if Misty tells instead of her or Timmy, then the Cummings will go after Misty instead of her and her family....moo
 
I agree with you on everything. Misty has got to wake up! I'm sure she is afraid of all of them. and even if RC is in jail, and TN and GGMS are not convicted of anything , Misty is afraid of what they will do to her and her family.
Misty has lived with this family for a long time. If one of them had pointed a finger (like a gun) at me and said "boom,boom,boom, you're done", that's all it would take to put extreme fear in me. There's no telling what kind of fear they have given her all this time. I pray Misty wises up and tells everything! MOO

Exactly Nonnie Brenda!!! Their behavior and actions were sending a strong message to the Croslins...violence!!! pointing a finger as a gun and making the sound of gunshots..

that would TOTALLY FREAK me out ....on the spot..

I would be extremely fearful of them...

This is a family whose son would cut the head off a rodent...and stuff it into someone's mail box...to scare the bejesus out of them.

This is a family that covers up a child's death...and takes roller coaster rides..

And this is what we ...DO..... KNOW.....

moo
 
One more thought Justus, One reason that Chelsea might want Misty to tell: if Misty tells instead of her or Timmy, then the Cummings will go after Misty instead of her and her family....moo

EXCELLANT THOUGHT!!!

That very well could be a reason...

If I had been the Croslins, I would have filed a report on that incident involving TN and GMMS..with their abusive comments, and threating gestures...and have that on record with the LE...

Then if any more incidents or occurances develop with the Croslins ...from TN and GMMS . ....there is already a record of the incident/ and will carry more influence for an investigation into them.

I can imagine that these 2 women are now having 2nd thoughts about their "ugly and unattractive display of themselves" ...in public.....that has now cast them both in an extremely negative light...

moo
 
FWIW, here are some things Chelsea said that caught my interest.

On Misty’s LVA, she said she stayed at the trailer while Ron went to the bus stop to pick up HaLeigh because Junior was sleeping. AFAIK Ron didn't say Misty went with him to pick up HaLeigh and although Chelsea didn't see Misty in the car with Ron, Misty told Chelsea she was there.

Chelsea said Ron and Misty were broken up Monday and Misty said Teresa phoned her to babysit Monday evening, yet on the LVA, Misty said she woke up with Ron and the kids Monday morning, they drove to granny's to get an outfit for HaLeigh, and she walked HaLeigh to her classroom. Misty said her and Ron went back to bed and woke up at noon making it appear there were no hard feelings between them. TN said Misty and Ron were back together Sunday night. When Ron got home from work he said he was surprised to see Misty up because normally she is sleeping when he gets home from work.

Didn't Ron’s lawyer Terry Shoemaker say Ron arrived 45 minutes early for his shift on Monday? Well according to Chelsea, Ron was late for work that day because he picked up HaLeigh from the bus which arrived at the stop at 3:36 pm and normally Ron left for work by 2:40 pm. and sometimes earlier. It sounds like Ron normally worked 3 pm -11 pm and if he worked late, he was off by 1 am.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Yeah, Ronald did work nights. I’m not going to say that he didn’t. Ronald worked late some nights, 3 o’clock in the morning, that is a little bit late for his normal work hours he usually came home at 11 o’clock, between 11 pm and 1 am usually, somewhere around there was when Ronald usually came home. It was very rare for him to be there so late that night. It was also very rare for the fact that when I went to pick up my nephew that day from the bus stop because whoever is usually closest to the keys is the one who goes and when I realized what time it was, I went down there and I didn’t know if I was picking up HaLeigh and Austin. You know sometimes they both get off. Ronald’s car was there. He had all the windows up and he wouldn’t talk me, he wouldn’t let me see who was in the vehicle. He wouldn’t let my daughter talk to him. That was rare because Ronald was always very good with my daughter; her and HaLeigh were very close and he completely ignored all of us. HaLeigh had a smile on, she come running off the bus. She peeked into the windows and she got in the car so she was excited to see somebody. Afterwards I found out it was Misty who was in the car with her, or with Ronald, but why he was there picking her up from the bus stop instead of being at work I don’t know? Because he was never there, he left about 2:40 pm, maybe earlier than that, and the bus didn’t come until 3:36 pm that day.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: It was the bus stop at the top of the road where like um Crystal Sheffield had her tent set up right at the top of the road where the railroads met. I don’t know whoever had gone down there but right there at the top, that’s the bus stop where the white fence is and all the cars would pull in there so it was Ronald who was in the car and supposedly Misty was in the car too but the windows were rolled up and I didn’t see Misty, but that is what she told us, she called us later on and said “hey I’m down here” because as far as we knew they had broken up. She said Teresa and Annette were paying her to babysit. She didn’t want to but they asked her, begged her to stay and told her they would pay her to do it. So that is the only reason, her and Ronald weren’t even together the night HaLeigh went missing.

LEVI PAGE: What was their relationship that night? Were they fighting?

CHELSEA CROSLIN: I mean I didn’t see Misty that day. So I hadn’t seen Misty since the day before when she wasn’t with Ronald so obviously that’s why she was hiding because she didn’t want us to see her with Ronald because she knew that we wouldn’t be happy about it. I wanted them to be broken up when they were. He wasn’t the right person for her and he was controlling her and he was hurting her and I wanted the best for her, I wanted her to get away from that bad situation. She goes home and all of a sudden HaLeigh goes missing? It’s just a little fishy.

Here is the part about how Misty’s blanket got in the van they took.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Okay. As far Misty’s blanket - it was a green blanket that Misty has had for years. It was in the van. It wasn’t missing from the home. It was in the van. The cops had it along with all of Misty’s clothes. Everything that Misty owned was in the van because when she and Ronald had broke up; Ronald took all of her stuff and threw it in the front yard of Nay Nay’s house. Nay Nay Prevett. He threw it all out there so they called me and told me that Ronald had just done that so I went over there, Nay Nay’s mother called me, I went over there, I picked up all of Misty’s stuff, put it in Lindsy’s van and drove it back to Lindsy’s house while Misty was doing her thing that weekend she never got her stuff out of the van and none of us took it out of the van and put it into the house and after that the Police took the van. So all of Misty’s stuff was taken. She hadn’t had her clothes or anything from the weekend before HaLeigh went missing until 2 months later when the cops finally returned the van.

WHERE IS HALEIGH?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/10/05/levi-page-show
 
i dont' take that statement to mean that she literally knows misty isn't ever going to talk. i take it to mean that since she hasn't talked and it doesn't look like she's going to talk, then TN hopes she at least serves time for something else. either way, as long as misty is in prison, then TN will have some sort of satisfaction.
If I was in her shoes, I'd get no satisfaction from that. Because realistically, she's going to prison for the exact same thing, that Ronald is. Where's the satisfaction? I wouldn't be satisfied with anything except the truth, & justice for my granddaughter. & TN needs to realize that Misty may not have all of the answers, or even if she does, LE can solve this case without her. It's ridiculous for so many people to think that only Misty can solve this mystery. Detectives solve cases all of the time, with a whole lot less information & evidence. They can start with the half a dozen + lie tests, that were administered.
 
EXCELLANT THOUGHT!!!

That very well could be a reason...

If I had been the Croslins, I would have filed a report on that incident involving TN and GMMS..with their abusive comments, and threating gestures...and have that on record with the LE...

Then if any more incidents or occurances develop with the Croslins ...from TN and GMMS . ....there is already a record of the incident/ and will carry more influence for an investigation into them.

I can imagine that these 2 women are now having 2nd thoughts about their "ugly and unattractive display of themselves" ...in public.....that has now cast them both in an extremely negative light...

moo

Before this whole thing is over, everything has to come out. The more LE id told , the sooner justice can be done. I really hope the Croslins do file complaints. I would be afraid not to.:crazy:
 
If I was in her shoes, I'd get no satisfaction from that. Because realistically, she's going to prison for the exact same thing, that Ronald is. Where's the satisfaction? I wouldn't be satisfied with anything except the truth, & justice for my granddaughter. & TN needs to realize that Misty may not have all of the answers, or even if she does, LE can solve this case without her. It's ridiculous for so many people to think that only Misty can solve this mystery. Detectives solve cases all of the time, with a whole lot less information & evidence. They can start with the half a dozen + lie tests, that were administered.

Hi dodie. I think you are exactly right. I believe LE already knows most of the details. I also believe that is why RC got the proffer deal. Now he has to testify and answer all of their questions. If he answers even one untruefully (and we know he lies), then his plea deal is off. and I would bet money they already have some kind of evidence on him. At least, that's what I am hoping for. MOO
 
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If I were the LE, I would investigate why TN made this statement....How would TN... KNOW.. Misty would NEVER tell what happened to Haleigh???

How could TN be so sure..of that....that Misty would keep her mouth shut and go to prison for not telling????

By the way, epiphany.....Do you know who is Patron that Chelsea is talking about???...
thanks...moo

from my post - t patron
Chels said she was told about the incident between the Croslins and the Cummings by "the patron." Chels did not reveal the patron's name.

Do not know whether she meant patron as in a chaperone or a benefactor, but IMO, Chels' word choice indicates she was prepped.
 
This could be the simple truth. Also that the cover-up was as simple as covering for Ron's drug stash, guns, and addiction.

Misty was convinced NOT to talk or tell the truth because Ron, TN and, GmaS were now involved in the cover-up to protect Ron -- so Misty was mis-informed she'd go to jail for life.

They had thought that this would go away after a few weeks but it spun out of control and became bigger than they ever expected and lasted a lot longer.

Everyone was trapped in their lies because LE would be pi$$ed and they'd go down for various charges, such as obstruction, cover-up/staging, accessory, etc
-- if LE believe the original incident that they are not covering for something worse given their track record.

Given the stakes today the expectation might be charges for murder since LE would question why these players have taken it this far and risked so much.

I am hoping that something is breaking because I fear Misty will take the fall.
ITA. A rash decision was made to cover up the incident. Once engaged, there was no turning back. So even if the Cummings later realized that Misty was to blame, and not Ron, there was nothing they could do because they'd trapped themselves in the lie.

I don't think she callously thought it didn't matter. Ron was the father, & he wasn't talking, so she probably used that to further justify her actions. It took a deal to get him to unclamp his jaw, but, he is finally talking, so I expect her to follow his lead. I just think all of these people thought it was best for all concerned, to keep quiet. None of them considered justice for Haleigh, & that includes Ron & Misty.
That makes a lot of sense IF Misty is responsible. Say Misty killed Haleigh and made up a lie or an excuse for the Cummings, which they made the hasty decision to believe and cover up, in Misty's mind, the onus is on them. Let the Cummings explain it. But if Misty knows that she had no hand in Haleigh's death, I can't see her staying quiet all of these months while in jail.
 
ITA. A rash decision was made to cover up the incident. Once engaged, there was no turning back. So even if the Cummings later realized that Misty was to blame, and not Ron, there was nothing they could do because they'd trapped themselves in the lie.


That makes a lot of sense IF Misty is responsible. Say Misty killed Haleigh and made up a lie or an excuse for the Cummings, which they made the hasty decision to believe and cover up, in Misty's mind, the onus is on them. Let the Cummings explain it. But if Misty knows that she had no hand in Haleigh's death, I can't see her staying quiet all of these months while in jail.
logic says she wouldn't have stayed quiet if she wasn't guilty, but, (& I'm not being facetious here), I've come to realize, that these people don't follow normal logic. Ron didn't talk until he got a deal, & he's evidently not the killer, & if it took a deal to get the not guilty dad to cooperate, what would it take to get the not guilty babysitter to talk? & I'm basing all of this on LE'S claim, that he did indeed shut off communication, & the assumption, that since he was given a deal, he's not guilty. & also the assumption, that Misty's not guilty. (big assumption, I know). It's MOO, that they consider Haleigh 'family business', & they didn't, ( don't), want outsiders prying into family business. too many skeletons in the closets.
 
from my post - t patron
Chels said she was told about the incident between the Croslins and the Cummings by "the patron." Chels did not reveal the patron's name.

Do not know whether she meant patron as in a chaperone or a benefactor, but IMO, Chels' word choice indicates she was prepped.

Above BBM... Bingo, epiph! "patron" is a word that was coached to her prior to her getting on "live" and telling her "rehearsed" TRUTH< THE WHOLE TRUTH< AND NNOTHING BUT THE TRUTH...<-yea right
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Above BBM... Bingo, epiph! "patron" is a word that was coached to her prior to her getting on "live" and telling her "rehearsed" TRUTH< THE WHOLE TRUTH< AND NNOTHING BUT THE TRUTH...<-yea right
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Such precision in language: "the patron" vs a supporter; yet, he or she "goes" vs he or she said, etc.
 
Doubt any complaint will be filed against the Cummings' women. They're no more a-scared of them than they are of cousin Joe, whom ToC and M had no problem basically accusing of a heinous, evil murder of a child.

Takes a special person sitting in the midst of a homicide investigation to accuse an innocent individual of murdering a child, and that special person is usually the perpetrator/s.
 
FWIW, here are some things Chelsea said that caught my interest.

On Misty’s LVA, she said she stayed at the trailer while Ron went to the bus stop to pick up HaLeigh because Junior was sleeping. AFAIK Ron didn't say Misty went with him to pick up HaLeigh and although Chelsea didn't see Misty in the car with Ron, Misty told Chelsea she was there.

Chelsea said Ron and Misty were broken up Monday and Misty said Teresa phoned her to babysit Monday evening, yet on the LVA, Misty said she woke up with Ron and the kids Monday morning, they drove to granny's to get an outfit for HaLeigh, and she walked HaLeigh to her classroom. Misty said her and Ron went back to bed and woke up at noon making it appear there were no hard feelings between them. TN said Misty and Ron were back together Sunday night. When Ron got home from work he said he was surprised to see Misty up because normally she is sleeping when he gets home from work.

Didn't Ron’s lawyer Terry Shoemaker say Ron arrived 45 minutes early for his shift on Monday? Well according to Chelsea, Ron was late for work that day because he picked up HaLeigh from the bus which arrived at the stop at 3:36 pm and normally Ron left for work by 2:40 pm. and sometimes earlier. It sounds like Ron normally worked 3 pm -11 pm and if he worked late, he was off by 1 am.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Yeah, Ronald did work nights. I’m not going to say that he didn’t. Ronald worked late some nights, 3 o’clock in the morning, that is a little bit late for his normal work hours he usually came home at 11 o’clock, between 11 pm and 1 am usually, somewhere around there was when Ronald usually came home. It was very rare for him to be there so late that night. It was also very rare for the fact that when I went to pick up my nephew that day from the bus stop because whoever is usually closest to the keys is the one who goes and when I realized what time it was, I went down there and I didn’t know if I was picking up HaLeigh and Austin. You know sometimes they both get off. Ronald’s car was there. He had all the windows up and he wouldn’t talk me, he wouldn’t let me see who was in the vehicle. He wouldn’t let my daughter talk to him. That was rare because Ronald was always very good with my daughter; her and HaLeigh were very close and he completely ignored all of us. HaLeigh had a smile on, she come running off the bus. She peeked into the windows and she got in the car so she was excited to see somebody. Afterwards I found out it was Misty who was in the car with her, or with Ronald, but why he was there picking her up from the bus stop instead of being at work I don’t know? Because he was never there, he left about 2:40 pm, maybe earlier than that, and the bus didn’t come until 3:36 pm that day.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: It was the bus stop at the top of the road where like um Crystal Sheffield had her tent set up right at the top of the road where the railroads met. I don’t know whoever had gone down there but right there at the top, that’s the bus stop where the white fence is and all the cars would pull in there so it was Ronald who was in the car and supposedly Misty was in the car too but the windows were rolled up and I didn’t see Misty, but that is what she told us, she called us later on and said “hey I’m down here” because as far as we knew they had broken up. She said Teresa and Annette were paying her to babysit. She didn’t want to but they asked her, begged her to stay and told her they would pay her to do it. So that is the only reason, her and Ronald weren’t even together the night HaLeigh went missing.

LEVI PAGE: What was their relationship that night? Were they fighting?

CHELSEA CROSLIN: I mean I didn’t see Misty that day. So I hadn’t seen Misty since the day before when she wasn’t with Ronald so obviously that’s why she was hiding because she didn’t want us to see her with Ronald because she knew that we wouldn’t be happy about it. I wanted them to be broken up when they were. He wasn’t the right person for her and he was controlling her and he was hurting her and I wanted the best for her, I wanted her to get away from that bad situation. She goes home and all of a sudden HaLeigh goes missing? It’s just a little fishy.

Here is the part about how Misty’s blanket got in the van they took.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Okay. As far Misty’s blanket - it was a green blanket that Misty has had for years. It was in the van. It wasn’t missing from the home. It was in the van. The cops had it along with all of Misty’s clothes. Everything that Misty owned was in the van because when she and Ronald had broke up; Ronald took all of her stuff and threw it in the front yard of Nay Nay’s house. Nay Nay Prevett. He threw it all out there so they called me and told me that Ronald had just done that so I went over there, Nay Nay’s mother called me, I went over there, I picked up all of Misty’s stuff, put it in Lindsy’s van and drove it back to Lindsy’s house while Misty was doing her thing that weekend she never got her stuff out of the van and none of us took it out of the van and put it into the house and after that the Police took the van. So all of Misty’s stuff was taken. She hadn’t had her clothes or anything from the weekend before HaLeigh went missing until 2 months later when the cops finally returned the van.

WHERE IS HALEIGH?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/10/05/levi-page-show
I'm not gonna call Chelsea a liar on some of this, because there would be no reason to lie, but Misty could've gone back to Ronald the night before, & hidden it from Chelsea. & we're back to TN paying Misty & not the other way around. & now GGS has been added to that mix. I don't know what to make of the bus stop. Witnesses saw Misty, Ron claimed to go alone, & now Chelsea claims they were both there. so every possible scenario is covered. & Ron's work hours just got even more confusing. I'm not sure if I'm buying the blanket story. seems too pat. How do we know some old green blanket, is the infamous blanket?
 
I'm not gonna call Chelsea a liar on some of this, because there would be no reason to lie, but Misty could've gone back to Ronald the night before, & hidden it from Chelsea. & we're back to TN paying Misty & not the other way around. & now GGS has been added to that mix. I don't know what to make of the bus stop. Witnesses saw Misty, Ron claimed to go alone, & now Chelsea claims they were both there. so every possible scenario is covered. & Ron's work hours just got even more confusing. I'm not sure if I'm buying the blanket story. seems too pat. How do we know some old green blanket, is the infamous blanket?

underlined by me...

Your comment about Ron's work hours..."being even more confusing..".

I have the ...same ....opinion, dodie..

If Chelsea is NOT lying about Ron's NORMAL routine about his time going TO and GETTING OFF work...and that night his routine was OUT OF THE ORDINARY...then that causes more suspicion as to why he had not gone to work yet.....

Apparently the LE was suspicious as well...and that was for a reason they asked him about the time taken getting home that night..I can bet they know the ...how.. when... and why ...and have their answers..


As far as the bus stop that day, I believe if you listen again to the Levi broadcast with Chelsea..10/4/10...you will hear Chelsea describe (if my memory serves)...(paraphrased)....that Ron was at the bus stop..and had his windows rolled up..(tinted?) and it was difficult to see inside..and Haleigh gets off the bus and goes up to Ron's car and peeks in the window and sees Misty inside and gets a big smile on her face...(because Misty was back?)...anyway hope I did not misquote..

I am not sure about the blanket story either...Not enough info for me...moo
 
underlined by me...

Your comment about Ron's work hours..."being even more confusing..".

I have the ...same ....opinion, dodie..

If Chelsea is NOT lying about Ron's NORMAL routine about his time going TO and GETTING OFF work...and that night his routine was OUT OF THE ORDINARY...then that causes more suspicion as to why he had not gone to work yet.....

Apparently the LE was suspicious as well...and that was for a reason they asked him about the time taken getting home that night..I can bet they know the ...how.. when... and why ...and have their answers..


As far as the bus stop that day, I believe if you listen again to the Levi broadcast with Chelsea..10/4/10...you will hear Chelsea describe (if my memory serves)...(paraphrased)....that Ron was at the bus stop..and had his windows rolled up..(tinted?) and it was difficult to see inside..and Haleigh gets off the bus and goes up to Ron's car and peeks in the window and sees Misty inside and gets a big smile on her face...(because Misty was back?)...anyway hope I did not misquote..

I am not sure about the blanket story either...Not enough info for me...moo

BBM

Yeah, that don't really make sense either though... because Misty took Haleigh into her class that morning... according to Misty... so, It wouldn't be a big surprise for Haleigh to see Misty in the car. Haleigh could have been just happy to see Misty but not pleasantly surprised (for lack of better terminology) as Chelsea described... but what if Teresa was in the car? Haleigh could have been excited to see Grandma. Just a thought. Chelsea didn't say for sure that it was Misty... she assumed it was. According to Misty, she was home with Junior.
 
BBM

Yeah, that don't really make sense either though... because Misty took Haleigh into her class that morning... according to Misty... so, It wouldn't be a big surprise for Haleigh to see Misty in the car. Haleigh could have been just happy to see Misty but not pleasantly surprised (for lack of better terminology) as Chelsea described... but what if Teresa was in the car? Haleigh could have been excited to see Grandma. Just a thought. Chelsea didn't say for sure that it was Misty... she assumed it was. According to Misty, she was home with Junior.

Yes you make some good points...Misty says this.....Chelsea says that...:waitasec: It is difficult to even guess...what the story really was.....BUT you have a good opinion as to it COULD HAVE BEEN ..TN.. in the car....sooo...if it was TN...do you think SHE was going to babysit for the kids that afternoon???.....moo

ETA...perhaps that was the reason Ron was going in to work LATER than his usual time...due to ..he needed a babysitter and Misty was not available so TN was going to do the babysitting???moo..
 
Yes you make some good points...Misty says this.....Chelsea says that...:waitasec: It is difficult to even guess...what the story really was.....BUT you have a good opinion as to it COULD HAVE BEEN ..TN.. is the car....sooo...if it was TN...do you think SHE was going to babysit for the kids that afternoon???.....moo

I'm kind of thinking it makes sense for Teresa to have been around at this time. Ron and Misty fighting. Misty not wanting to babysit. Ron is not sure if he has someone to watch the kids... he leaves the kids with his mom 'cause he has to get to work... and then Teresa asks, convinces Misty to babysit.

It's just a thought... I have no facts to back it up... just clues... but I've always had a feeling Teresa was more involved that day than we've heard. JMO.
 
I'm kind of thinking it makes sense for Teresa to have been around at this time. Ron and Misty fighting. Misty not wanting to babysit. Ron is not sure if he has someone to watch the kids... he leaves the kids with his mom 'cause he has to get to work... and then Teresa asks, convinces Misty to babysit.

It's just a thought... I've always had a feeling Teresa was more involved that day than we've heard. JMO.

great idea!! I just edited my previous post to comment almost what you are saying here...

TN could have babysitted...Haleigh could have been out of control...TN gave Haleigh "something" to get her to sleep/calm...and either while Haleigh was sleeping...Misty arrrived to babysit...due to TN calling her...and TN leaves and Haleigh dies a while later....OR....TN gives something to Haleigh to get her to sleep/calm down...and Haleigh dies...THEN...TN knowing Haleigh is dead..calls Ron...Ron says to get Misty over to babysit...then when Misty arrives TN says Haleigh is sleeping and leaves Misty with a dead Haleigh....and then the plot begins....

One of these senerios could be the answer...moo any thoughts???
 
great idea!! I just edited my previous post to comment almost what you are saying here...

TN could have babysitted...Haleigh could have been out of control...TN gave Haleigh "something" to get her to sleep/calm...and either while Haleigh was sleeping...Misty arrrived to babysit...due to TN calling her...and TN leaves and Haleigh dies a while later....OR....TN gives something to Haleigh to get her to sleep/calm down...and Haleigh dies...THEN...TN knowing Haleigh is dead..calls Ron...Ron says to get Misty over to babysit...then when Misty arrives TN says Haleigh is sleeping and leaves Misty with a dead Haleigh....and then the plot begins....

One of these senerios could be the answer...moo any thoughts???

These are pretty believable scenarios. You could even theorize that Ron might have given Haleigh something before he left... then TN was left with a failing Haleigh. She knew the consequences so she got Misty there to basically watch Junior knowing Haleigh's condition, then leaving in a panic to get the advice of GGMS on what to do.

Thoughts are rollin' in now! :crazy:
 
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