Timmy & Chelsea Croslin; and the hours before Haleigh went missing.

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The one thing I found kind of confusing about MC babysitting for T&C was the way she said it. If she was dropped off at 4 am or whatever Sunday, she could very well have meant she had to watch the kids Sunday. Some people tend to think that as long as it's still dark outside--the next day means in the morning, even if it's already that day technically. My thoughts are that she was supposed to watch them Sunday and not Monday. That would also explain why she didn't get back to the MH until Sun. nite. JMO
 
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The one thing I found kind of confusing about MC babysitting for T&C was the way she said it. If she was dropped off at 4 am or whatever Sunday, she could very well have meant she had to watch the kids Sunday. Some people tend to think that as long as it's still dark outside--the next day means in the morning, even if it's already that day technically. My thoughts are that she was supposed to watch them Sunday and not Monday. That would also explain why she didn't get back to the MH until Sun. nite. JMO

Something very confusing about the babysitting deal. Tommy and Lyndsy lived closest to 202 Green Lane and those were the kids that Misty had been taking to the bus stop where Jerry S says she met Ronald for the first time. Did Kristina P say she dropped Misty off on Tyler Street at 4 am on Sunday morning?

Timmy and Chelsea( where were they living again?) were having an anniversary the weekend Haleigh went missing, is this who Misty wanted to babysit for? I don't think this is where Misty was dropped off at the 3 day party with Nay, jmo, but that is where Cousin Joe was staying.
 
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I think we need to go back and place these players at their starting point. Placing players in their starting position is essential.

I have not found any addy for T*C living alone in Crescent City. [/I] What we do know now is that hank and lisa gave Magnolia as their addy. One particular Magnolia is located in the San Mateo area. Marvin martin said they were once neighbors and he lives in the San Mateo area on Sunglow...magnolia is near there (a few blocks). Marvin called Chelsea about the gun...so he must have known her. I wonder if it was from living there.

It is also possible that hank sr and lisa lived with t & c as always find them together on addys. I wonder if the fact or rumor that timmy lived in crescent city was started by the Magnolia addy since there is a name for that street in that area. BUT the victim of the check and gun fraud stated he was a neighbor so I am going with the San Mateo Magnolia for now.

With that in mind that gives reason why Chelsea would be driving Lisa to visit Hank and more reason as to the fact that dad Hank had been given their new car to drive on the 7th.

This also makes it easier to understand how misty could get the minivan back to them so easily.l

The next addy I am looking for is Nay's.
 
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I also am inclined to believe that misty was away from Green lane longer than the weekend.

We have Pops wrecking Chelsea's new car on Feb 7 in Gainsville???!! Why was he there and who notified misty of the accident? She never mentioned it till WBG told us and I don't know if I want to believe any of these druggies. At the very least misty wasn't too concerned about her father being far away in a hospital...she continues to do what she chooses to do..drugs and booze.
 
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I think we need to go back and place these players at their starting point. Placing players in their starting position is essential.

I have not found any addy for T*C living alone in Crescent City. [/I] What we do know now is that hank and lisa gave Magnolia as their addy. One particular Magnolia is located in the San Mateo area. Marvin martin said they were once neighbors and he lives in the San Mateo area on Sunglow...magnolia is near there (a few blocks)

It is also possible that hank sr and lisa lived with t & c as always find them together on addys. I wonder if the fact or rumor that timmy lived in crescent city was started by the Magnolia addy since there is a name for that street in that area. BUT the victim of the check and gun fraud stated he was a neighbor so I am going with the San Mateo Magnolia for now.

With that in mind that gives reason why Chelsea would be driving Lisa to visit Hank and more reason as to the fact that dad Hank had been given their new car to drive on the 7th.

This also makes it easier to understand how misty could get the minivan back to them so easily.l

The next addy I am looking for is Nay's.

I just thought C and TiC were borrowing the van because Hank SR wrecked their car( their only car) Seems ToC and Lyndsy had more than one vehicle( red truck?) and were able to provide the loaner.

I really want to know where they were. Why did Art Harris say crescent City he can be quoted as saying Timmy and Chelsea lived their on several occasions. He seems to have developed quite the relationship with the brother Croslin's wives, would he mistake where one lived at such a crucial time?
 
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If Chelsea was up late doing Insurance work, she should have noticed IF anyone took the car..after all the car didn't belong to her.

She alludes to cousin J taking it but doesn't commit...well, is she didin't drive it and she insist she didn't put the scratch on it..that leaves Timmy or J. What is the problem?

Possibility exists that the scratch occurred at another time. She herself may have parked the car differently. She speaks of being exhausted. Maybe she was very tired when she parked it...if not then problem becomes one of the three driving that car AFTER chelsea fell asleep. What time was that?
 
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So AH is giving Crescent City? Well there is a Magnolia near there. Maybe they moved to Crescent City after Haleigh vanished. I do not have a listing for them in CC. Lisa and Hank lived in Bunnell and Flagler Beach also...they were always listed as (sort of) living with their children. Maybe AH or somebody just lumps all these cities together. PP=Crescent City=Lake Como.

After all this time we have never sleuthed (to my kge) any address of Chelsea and Timmy.

The San Mateo area is shortly after Hoot Owl Ridge, near the Dunns Bridge.

On another note...where exactly did Nay get her car stuck in the mud? or was it Amber that got Nay's car stuck? I am curious because I thought it was in the Hoot Owl Rd area..
 
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I can't remember having heard an exact time. There is only this:

snip~ What Chelsea does know is that the day Haleigh was reported missing, cousin Joe split for Tennessee; she was beyond exhaustion. “We’d just left Gainesville, dropping (Misty’s mother) Lisa off to be with Hank at the hospital. I’d been up late trying to figure out insurance claims for our car that was wrecked, dealing with an injured father in law and then, we go to sleep and about 4 a.m., and I get a phone call.”

It was Misty. “I don’t usually answer the phone in the middle of the night,” she tells me, “but I did this time and heard everyone in the background yelling for Haleigh.”

They lay in bed for an hour or so, not sure what to make of it, not wanting to wake up her two girls, close to giving birth to a third. At about 6 a.m., “I woke up Timmy when we realized this was serious. I couldn’t imagine anything like this. I just figured she’s probably hiding in a closet. My kids hide from me all the time. Sometimes I’ll find them in a cabinet. To them, it’s a game.”

It was no game. Within hours, she’d raced back to Gainesville to pick up Misty’s mother and hightailed it back to the Sheriff’s Department, where she and Timmy joined the long line of family members for interviews, took polygraphs, and watched Ronald and Misty hand over the clothes they were wearing to police. “Ronald was wearing his company jumpsuit, like a blue work outfit that zipped up the front, and they both went in back and took off everything, including their underwear.” ~ end snip

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/
 
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It would be helpful to map all the residences of the players...imo. Their addys and their cars are very confusing.

Did Hank sr have his red truck on feb 9 or had it already been sold?
 
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It would be helpful to map all the residences of the players...imo. Their addys and their cars are very confusing.

Did Hank sr have his red truck on feb 9 or had it already been sold?

See, I thought it was Tommy's red truck and Hank SR borrowed it often. I thought hank SR offered Tommy 500 bucks not to sell it but Tommy sold it anyway. I get confused with all the different cars and stories.

A map is a good idea
 
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It would be helpful to map all the residences of the players...imo. Their addys and their cars are very confusing.

Did Hank sr have his red truck on feb 9 or had it already been sold?

Heck, I thought it was titled to Jr., that's how confused I am!

Vehicle transfer info is supposedly not public info. [There's a little box on your registration renewal you have to check to keep the State of Fla from selling your info.]

I think Misty said Jr. sold it even though her dad gave him $500 to keep it for werk transportation. [Not that we can believe hardly anything she has said.]

IIRC - I read (somewhere) that Tim Miller said he found that truck back in August.
 
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Chelsea worries me...

The last thing I would do is drive 120miles round trip to get Lisa. The problem was Haleigh. Now, Chelsea says she also is beyond exhaustion and then drives all this way to get Lisa? Where was Timmy? Who were all these people yelling for Haleigh? Seems to me like Chelsea wanted to get away. Then she says JO left that morning. Now there is evidence he did not. We need to stop believing these players and just rely on what we see and can prove. Who were all the people taking polys (long line). rc and misty must have known about the clothing change because I am sure they didn't leave naked. Ten to one, TN and GMA brough rc fresh clothes that they had laundered previously. Those clothes did not look like his regular garb but looked presentable for the media. So rc removed a dark jump suit...okay.

I wonder if she noticed tn in that long line and know if she took a poly...oh to have been a fly on that wall..
 
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We have to disregard anything misty says at least in the context she talks about it. It is like a puzzle with her. I don't know if she speaks from her subconscious and trys to piecemeal it or it is totally delusional. Half of what she says is what she heard another say...she parrots frequently. The other half could be delusional.
 
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I'm not very knowledgable about the people searches, where the info. comes from. Does it come from public landline phone records? I was curious if I could find myself on whitepages.com or pipl.com. I have lived in the same home since 1996 and had a landline up until about 2 yrs. ago when it was disconnected because I got satellite internet and we have cell phones so there was no need to pay for the landline. The whole time I had the same phone number and it was private. I couldn't find myself on the searches. Could this be the reason? Does it just go by the phone or other utilities? I have other utilities in my name. Could this be the reason Whisp. can't find an address in CC for T and C? Maybe they didn't have a landline phone.

Since Chelsea doesn't say when she went to bed and the phone call came in at 4:00 about Haleigh it is highly likely Joe could have taken the van without her knowledge when she was sleeping.

lol at AH stating Chelsea was close to giving birth-she was 4 mos. pg in Feb.!

JMO
 
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Heck, I thought it was titled to Jr., that's how confused I am!

Vehicle transfer info is supposedly not public info. [There's a little box on your registration renewal you have to check to keep the State of Fla from selling your info.]

I think Misty said Jr. sold it even though her dad gave him $500 to keep it for werk transportation. [Not that we can believe hardly anything she has said.]

IIRC - I read (somewhere) that Tim Miller said he found that truck back in August.

IIRC.. Misty stated Hank Sr. gave Tommy the $500.00 so he would have a way to go to his Dr. appontments.And he sold it right out from under him after Hank Sr. gave him the $500.00.. JMO
 
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Chelsea worries me too, lots of conflicting times and statements. JMO
 
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It would be helpful to map all the residences of the players...imo. Their addys and their cars are very confusing.

Did Hank sr have his red truck on feb 9 or had it already been sold?

I know I have seen a video of M and R walking on Tyler with L and T's driveway in the background and there is a red pickup parked in it. It was in the very first days after Haleigh went missing.
Misty also said in one of TM's tests Tommy sold the truck right after Haleigh went missing so that says to me yes, he had it on Feb. 9.
 
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I'm not very knowledgable about the people searches, where the info. comes from. Does it come from public landline phone records? I was curious if I could find myself on whitepages.com or pipl.com. I have lived in the same home since 1996 and had a landline up until about 2 yrs. ago when it was disconnected because I got satellite internet and we have cell phones so there was no need to pay for the landline. The whole time I had the same phone number and it was private. I couldn't find myself on the searches. Could this be the reason? Does it just go by the phone or other utilities? I have other utilities in my name. Could this be the reason Whisp. can't find an address in CC for T and C? Maybe they didn't have a landline phone.

Since Chelsea doesn't say when she went to bed and the phone call came in at 4:00 about Haleigh it is highly likely Joe could have taken the van without her knowledge when she was sleeping.
lol at AH stating Chelsea was close to giving birth-she was 4 mos. pg in Feb.!

JMO

But IIRC Chelsey stated she was up late filling out insurance papers, we just don't know how late, late is... In reference to myself, personally I'm not believing Chesley doesn't know what happened to Haleigh.. Doubt she knows where she was taken, but I believe she does have knowledge as to what intitally happened to Haleigh.. And I feel it is possible Lindsey knows also..JMO
 
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