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They’ll likely will be telling this story 110 years from now and future explorers will want to revisit the site.
Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023 #2
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Submarine Emergency Identification Signals
The US Navy has long authorized certain submarine emergency identification signals. In the past, these signals could be found in Chapter 1 of a current Coast Pilot. No more. Notice to Mariners No. 1, the first publication each year of the weekly NTMs, includes a section called “Special Notice...
www.crawfordnautical.com
a) GREEN – Used under training exercise conditions only to indicate that a torpedo has been fired or that the firing of a torpedo has been simulated. [Note that an alternate color had been black which still is an acceptable answer for some questions.]
b) YELLOW – Indicates that submarine is about to come to periscope depth from below periscope depth. Surface craft terminate antisubmarine counter-attack and clear vicinity of the submarine. Do not stop propellers.
c) RED – Indicates an emergency condition within the submarine and that it will surface immediately, if possible. Surface ships clear the area and stand by to give assistance after the submarine has surfaced. In case of repeated red signals, or if the submarine fails to surface within a reasonable time, she may be assumed to be disabled. Buoy the location, look for a submarine buoy and attempt to establish sonar communications. Advise U.S. Naval authorities immediately.
d) WHITE – Two white flares/smoke in succession indicates that the submarine is about to surface, usually from periscope depth (non-emergency surfacing procedure). Surface craft should clear the vicinity of the submarine.”
These emergency identification signals should not be mistaken for the light assigned by the International and Inland Rules of the Road under the authority of Rule 1(c) to submarines (intermittent yellow (amber) flashing beacon).''
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After hearing the story from the previous passenger ( Arthur Loibl)
who reported that the Titan had landed on the deck of the Titanic I can't help but wonder if they attempted this action again and there was a collapse of the deck which caused them to get tangled in the wreckage.....
German who paid OceanGate to see Titanic calls it a 'suicide mission'
Arthur Loibl, 60, dove the 12,500 feet to the Atlantic ocean wreck site in August 2021, and says he was 'incredibly lucky' to survive, saying the Titanic expedition was his most 'extreme' adventure.www.dailymail.co.uk
German who paid OceanGate to see Titanic calls it a 'suicide mission'
Arthur Loibl, 60, dove the 12,500 feet to the Atlantic ocean wreck site in August 2021, and says he was 'incredibly lucky' to survive, saying the Titanic expedition was his most 'extreme' adventure.
In Timeline, Sub sent a distress signal. This is the first time I've seen this, must have missed it earlier.
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That post is at the beginning of page 8.
Missing sub CEO didn't hire '50-year-old white guys' with experience
The CEO inside the missing submersible on its way view the Titanic wreck once dismissed men with military experience when it came to hiring.
He would take their money however!
Huge ego on this arrogant man. IMO, MOO, JMO
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If they have lost all systems I'd be wondering whether they would survive the ascent of 15000 feet. According to this article, after the sub was lost for about 5 hours in a prior dive there was talk of installing an emergency beacon on the exterior. However, if that safety feature was installed and the sub did surface they would have been found by now.They have no means of navigation in the first place. Their navigational system was based on the pings and then the mother ship sending text messages about their position (which surely must have been at the coordinates for the Titanic wreckage or near there, when they began their descent).
They have just darkness outside their window and have lights to shine on the wreckage (likely not working if there's no electricity). Electrical problem could be the precipitating event here.
Once they lost communication via text, they lost their ability to navigate altogether. The article describing last year's trip said that the Titan did get lost at one point. I don't think that every set of passengers has been treated to the actual viewing of the Titanic, because IIRC, last year, the Titan surfaced without seeing the wreck:
Missing Titanic tourist submarine also got lost for a few hours during 2022 trip
The submarine that has gone missing during a tourist trip to the wreckage of the Titanic had gotten lost for about two-and-a-half hours during a similar trip last year.nypost.com
Article also describes an electrical system failure which left them lost and unable to navigate.
IMO.
Why Finding and Rescuing the Titan Sub Is So Challenging—Even for Militaries
The private tourist submarine operates at depths few people visit. Unfortunately, that includes the navies of the world.
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I feel the same way, sadly. Sound seems to be the only way to pinpoint the location (IF the banging is even coming from the Titan) but I believe that's extremely difficult to do given the way sound travels underwater. Since it was stated that the search area is twice the size of Connecticut, I just don't see a positive ending here.
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Another press conference is about to start
We're set to hear from Horizon Maritime Services and Miawpukek Horizon representatives.These are the groups behind the Polar Prince ship, which the Titan submersible launched from.
We're expecting a brief statement and will bring you updates as they happen.
The flairs would need to be mechanically launched by a trigger from inside the Titan, right?
There certainly wouldn't be an unlimited number of such flairs.
What other things could there be? I think it's a crucial question. A big pop-up flag? A buoy that could be launched mechanically from the Titan?
We've heard nothing in MSM about such devices. There should have been a way to launch flairs - but I can't see how there could have been multiple rocket-like devices attached to that minivan-sized submersible. A lot would depend on the luck of the Titan still being fairly close to the mother ship.
IMO.
Marine industry no stranger to difficult incidents - boat company
Beginning the press conference, co-founder and chairman of Horizon Maritime Services, Sean Leet, says their thoughts and focus remain with the crew of the Titan and their families.The marine industry in this region is no stranger to responding to difficult incidents, he says, adding that all of us are "unified" in the work to find the Titan.
He says "our critical role remains in a support capacity".
And he confirms the company has been supporting the Titanic expeditions for several years.
'We are aware of the time sensitivity'
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Leet says the Polar Prince remains at the Titanic site supporting the sub rescue efforts.
And his group's rescue ship, The Horizon, was sent back to the port to get more equipment.
"We will be at the Titanic site at 5am tomorrow morning. We are aware of the time sensitivity around the mission. We remain focused on the search of the Titan and for the crew and keep hope they will be found safely."
Boat company asked if families on board search vessels
Several journalists have been asking questions at this press conference, and Sean Leet is asked whether families of those on the Titan are on board the Polar Prince vessel which is searching for the missing sub.He tells reporters "that's a question I can't answer".
Asked whether there was anything capable of lifting the Titan from such depths, he says:
"The equipment that is on site and coming to site .... is certainly capable of reaching those depths.
The equipment being used in the search is the "finest in the world, the most capable in the world", he says, adding that it was mobilised "flawlessly".
And that's the end of the press conference.
Bbm.If they have lost all systems I'd be wondering whether they would survive the ascent of 15000 feet. According to this article, after the sub was lost for about 5 hours in a prior dive there was talk of installing an emergency beacon on the exterior. However, if that safety feature was installed and the sub did surface they would have been found by now.
Why Finding and Rescuing the Titan Sub Is So Challenging—Even for Militaries
The private tourist submarine operates at depths few people visit. Unfortunately, that includes the navies of the world.www.popularmechanics.com
Yes.
IF.
Sad that corners were cut and safety mistakes made.
A perfect storm of errors and misjudgment ?
There's a reason for all of the 'stuffy' and strict protocols !
Still so awful.
'We are very aware of the time sensitivity around this mission'
The groups behind the Canadian research vessel Polar Prince say they are "very aware" of the time sensitivity around the mission and are continuing to support search efforts.Sean Leet , chairman of Horizon Maritime Services, says: "Our critical role remains in a support capacity.
"It has been a very difficult few days for the crew and families of those on board Titan and Polar Prince. The captain of the Polar Prince and crew have been steadfast in providing support in this really difficult time."
Horion Maritime co-owns the Polar Prince - which lost contact with Titan around one hour and 45 minutes into its dive on Sunday.
He says the ship has been supporting Titanic expeditions for "several years" - and says the Polar Prince will "stay out until the search is completed".
"We will continue to hold on to hope until the very end".
Titan submersible updates as it happened: Search boss becomes emotional as he recounts moment 'rescue mission turned to recovery'
The leader of the search team which found the wreckage of the Titan gave a new update on the doomed rescue operation. The vessel imploded while making a journey to the wreck of the Titanic, killing all five people on board. Recap what happened in the latest news conference below.
If it was flares, then time of day and position of the Titan would be crucial. Easy to miss a flare or two.
Also, if the flare required an electrical impulse to trigger, it wouldn't go off at all, if they lost power. Supposedly, the Titan could still surface (via mechanical jettisoning of weight, which was supposed to be automatic after so many hours).
But if flares were their only signal device, maybe best to wait until nightfall to use the last couple. How so many flares could be at the ready to be ignited and fired by one small sub, I don't know.
IMO.
Bbm.
Most likely for privacy reasons ... as it's looking like it's not going to be good news for the families.
Maybe there'll be an 11th hour miracle ?
It's sad that the submersible can't be opened from inside in the event of an emergency, such as the men being able to make it to the surface !
Polar Prince, the submersible's support vessel, will remain in the area until search is complete
The Polar Prince, the vessel that transported the Titan submersible to the dive site, will be assisting in search efforts until the mission is complete, according to the co-founder of the company that owns the support ship.The role of the Polar Prince is to help the US Coast Guard which is leading the search and rescue, said Sean Leet, the co-founder and Chairman of Horizon Maritime Services.
June 21, 2023 - Missing Titanic sub search news
A massive search operation is underway in an area twice the size of Connecticut for the submersible that went missing Sunday — as officials fear there's less than a day's worth of oxygen left on board the craft.
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