TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26

[concentric]

I just had the oppertunity to watch the clip of the interview for the first time and WOW is it so much different than reading a transcript! The only thing that popped out as odd in the video (around the 225 mark) is when he is talking about the other person in full camo. He stated it as if he knew the man was in camo, BEFORE he was seen in the garage, as you stated above in the transcript. How is that possible?

Did they have more than 1 dog? He said he awoke to the house dog barking.

I do not think CB has any type of disability or disorder.

Can you provide the link to the video? I want to see it. Thanks!

 

[obody]

I'm pretty sure that the carport is the flat roofed structure in the back of the house, across the yard. In the video it looks like there might even be a car in the left bay:

‪Criminal Profiler Pat Brown discusses missing girl Holly Bobo on MSNBC Live‬‏ - YouTube

 

[Indy Anna]

I can't find an MSM article stating that CB got home from college the night of 4/12. Maybe someone made that statement on a forum? All of the MSM articles say only that CB was home. But, here is a statement from DB:

"I just have a feeling it might have been somebody close, who knew our routine — when she (his wife Karen) left, when I left, when our daughter left," he said.

http://beta252.sungazette.com/page/...woman-dragged-from-home-.html?isap=1&nav=5021

Why would DB indicate that the perp likely knew the family's routine, suggesting that he (the perp) knew when DB, KB and HB left the house, but didn't mention the perp's familiarity with CB's schedule? I am inclined to believe the reports of CB coming home from college the previous night to be true, and that there was no reason for the perp to suspect that anyone else but HB would be home at the time. Plus, I don't think CB knew, for that very reason, whether it was normal for the BF to visit HB before she left for class. JMO

 

[OldSteve]

The brother calling his Mom doesn't strike me as odd... waking up to a barking dog and hearing voices coming from the garage, perhaps he thought they were employees from the family owned business stopping by the house to pick something up or drop something off. I know when I first wake up I'm in a fog for at least 15 minutes before I am fully awake.

Nice to see a post that does NOT attack a family member, but instead finds a logical explanation - just my :twocents:

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder why Mom has said more than once now that there is a law that TBI does not have to tell the family anything...sounds to me like she keeps being told that by LE...

(While I am sure it is true that LE does not have to keep a family informed, ever, is there actually a TN law specifying this?)

 

[OldSteve]

I know this is going back a ways, but I still wonder if HB's disappearance is related to the guy who tried to abduct that other woman from her front porch in January in the next county over....I kept hoping more would come out about that, like if they shared any connections, friends in common, or shopped at the same places, or worked out at the same gym, etc., etc. The MO - rural area, early morning, right as they came outside, etc. just seemed to close for comfort, you know?

Thanks for bringing that up - I wonder like you about that.. got to wonder if that perp has tried again to take someone - they normally don't stop, do they?

 

[OldSteve]

I wonder why Mom has said more than once now that there is a law that TBI does not have to tell the family anything...sounds to me like she keeps being told that by LE...

(While I am sure it is true that LE does not have to keep a family informed, ever, is there actually a TN law specifying this?)

BBM
Can't find anything:
http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/Crime_invest/crime_intell.shtml

 

[Indy Anna]

It is my understanding (based on the old convos here with one of hte locals) that the "garage" is the area to the left of the head of the driveway and that it is enclosed and may be used as living or storage space and not as a car garage per se.

There may be a pitched roof car port behind that. In the one photo from yesterday there is a car parked back behind what I believe is the garage in front of a pitched roof structure.

A real floor plan of the house would be good. I recall perhaps a TV video that had a chopper view that sort of circled or panned over part of the house. If I found that again I could try to get a frame grab.

I know the big pool in the back is above ground and high so Clint could not see out in that direction.

It's beginning to make sense knowing that there's both a garage and a carport. I've only seen the one shot of the house and surrounding structures, and it's an aerial view. But, knowing approximately where the garage and carport are located helps to visualize what CB saw. If the front part of the house is the garage, I can see how CB would look out the window from the living room and see shadows of people moving in the garage. When we read about HB being led across the carport, I now believe the perp led HB from the garage toward the back of the house, where they had to walk through or past the carport.

I wonder if HB had a reason to go into the garage, or if the perp grabbed her as she walked outside to go to her car. Where was her car parked? I originally understood that it was parked in the carport, so HB would've had to walk around the corner of the garage to reach her car.

 

[docwho3]

It is very difficult to understand which parts of the story take place
in which locations.

In the screen shot I saw there is a separate structure that looks
like a garage/carport. I circled it.

Not sure what else is there that is allegedly part of the house.
Not doubting it but just saying it is hard to know from the
camera angles I have seen so far.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/bobo/house2c.jpg

So are we speaking of 2 separate areas or what?

 

[TxLady2]

I wonder why Mom has said more than once now that there is a law that TBI does not have to tell the family anything...sounds to me like she keeps being told that by LE...

(While I am sure it is true that LE does not have to keep a family informed, ever, is there actually a TN law specifying this?)

I don't think so, but there is not a law that says they have to, either. Sometimes family can hinder an investigation, because they don't understand what LE is doing, and that is why some LE prefer to keep them in the dark. ESPECIALLY if they have not been able to clear some family members.
Sometimes family can blab things to the media that LE does not want made public just yet. That's happened in a lot of cases.

 

[Frogzilla]

The brother calling his Mom doesn't strike me as odd... waking up to a barking dog and hearing voices coming from the garage, perhaps he thought they were employees from the family owned business stopping by the house to pick something up or drop something off. I know when I first wake up I'm in a fog for at least 15 minutes before I am fully awake.

Not to single you out, but you raise a couple of points. Okay maybe calling the mother does not seem odd to a few people. But consider the family business is what the father works with, not the mother. Why would the mother have any knowledge of what the father's business is doing on a day-to-day basis? That is an oddity to me.
The second point is the dogs barking and being in a fog when you wake up. Everyone is in a slight fog when they just wake up, but usually when you are awoken to the sound of a dog barking or house birds making to much noise, your first thought is to shut them up so you can go back to sleeping. I personally like to know what causes the pets to make all that noise in the first place, because if it is an ongoing thing, chances are I won't be able to get back to sleep with all the noise.

 

[wfgodot]

Okay, on the call to mom: yes it does seem odd to me BUT the thing to remember when forming judgements whilst sleuthing is this: just because someone else does something that appears odd, different, hinky to you, who does something you wouldn't do or doesn't do something you would, THIS DOES NOT MEAN there is anything inherently suspicious about his or her actions.

 

[docwho3]

On further reflection:
For Clint to have heard voices from the separate structure I would think
the window of the house would have had to be opened and not closed
because of airconditioning or other factor.
Otherwise those voices would have had to be raised alot as in
an altercation of some sort.

Not sure if Clint said anything about an open window in on camera reports
or in news articles but that does not rule it out
(being that news reports are often incomplete or innaccurate in such
details.)

ETA: Not accusing or pointing fingers but just trying to
reason out how all the pieces fit together.
If that separate structure in the pic is the
'carport' in question where they were seen together
it appears far enough away from the house to make
hearing through a closed window difficult so then how
does that fit with the story as told in MSM?
Perhaps the window was open or the voices raised.
And I suppose there are other possibilities.
Still it is something to consider.

I also saw where some have posted that there may
have been another 'garage' attached to the home
and that is now used for storage etc., yet another
fuzzy jigsaw piece to the puzzle.

 

[iluvmua]

I'm thinking whoever took Holly the person or persons knew her.

I just hope her remains are found very soon. This has been going on for 4 months too long.

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't think the "garage" is completely enclosed, and may not even have a concrete floor. In most articles, the structure has been referred to as a carport:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/0...tioning-in-holly-bobo-disappearance-arrested/
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Also, Clint may have supposed that the "turkey" was inside a bag when the "BF" was supposedly showing it to Holly, which would explain why he later became suspicious at the sight of blood in the carport.

I was trying to find out if the carport is an entirely different structure than the "garage" that Clint is referring to. I had read that the attached garage had been converted to a room. Does anyone know this for sure?

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I agree that inaccurate statements can be made in stressful situations. When it involves the disappearance and possible murder of a family member I would think that is to be expected. However, my point is the "truth" can be repeated 100 times and still be the "same story". Minutes may differ, weather may differ,what you wore may differ, and a dozen other minutia may differ.....but the Foundation of that story is the same, right?

Here is my point--Not accusing ANYONE--- Holly was seen in the back of the house,front of house, outside garage, inside garage. "Stories" change location, Not the truth.

Here are a few more questions:

How did he see those silhouettes in the garage? Is there a window from the home into the garage?..or would he have to go outside?

If there was blood found in the garage, wouldn't it seem as if harm had already be done to Holly, so why would she not have screamed? After being wounded why would she calmly be walking with "that " person into the woods?

Clint says he sees them kneeling, as if they had just killed a Wild turkey (which supposedly is the thing to do at 7:30 in the morning) ONLY after your sisters blood is found in the garage. Never mentions this when he calls mom.

....And again--Why would a grown man call his mother (no matter WHO he thought it was)?? He could just walk outside and see for himself.

All of this does make sense if you know something is wrong, you are scared, don't want to confront the problem, and need to set up your cover story.

The man WAS 6FT--200LBS-- fairly large guy--what is the height and weight of Holly's boyfriend? Was that just used to set up his story that it was the boyfriend?

As I said before , I am not accusing any family member of harming Holly. I would find it more believable if Clint knew what happened to Holly and was too scared to help her......and that is ok-...as long as if that is what happened, he lets LE know the truth.

I am just reprinting my initial comments, because some here seem to think some of us are attacking the family. The Bobo family are coming forward now for a reason. They don't want this case to go cold and want to share information with the public in an attempt to find clues to Holly's disappearance. That being said, I would think they would want any inconsistencies in the events of that morning pointed out and clarified.
If many of us find their stories confusing, then there IS something wrong with the course of events as stated by Clint and other family members.
Does anyone really believe Clint's account makes PERFECT sense???
Something is missing , and perhaps as one of the posters stated , LE is not filling the family in because they think their accounts of that morning are questionable.
AGAIN---not attacking the family, just wanting what I believe they want. Finding Holly! Let's face it if LE has only the accounts we have been privy to in recent interviews...well you can see where their hands have been tied.:twocents:

 

[concentric]

I was trying to find out if the carport is an entirely different structure than the "garage" that Clint is referring to. I had read that the attached garage had been converted to a room. Does anyone know this for sure?

What I've been saying all along here is that when Clint talked about the "garage" he probably wasn't referring to the room that was renovated from a garage and probably had furnishings in it, but the "garage" being the "carport" because that is where the cars were kept.

It's very confusing, and I wish some of these reporters and hosts would clarify things. What do they get paid for, anyway?

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

-It's fine to discuss the brother and anyone mentioned in the media and tied to this case. Its not ok to talk about him or anyone as a suspect or POI. No one has been named as such.

Casting blame or suspicion on the family is, at this point, NOT allowed.


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[wishuwerehere]

One of the areas of the story I'm confused about is this:

Clint calls his mom after seeing silhouettes and hearing voices in the garage/carport. He states his mom says Holly should be at school. So then Clint says that Holly must be in the garage. How does Clint make that leap? Am I missing something here?

 

[sumzero]

If many of us find their stories confusing, then there IS something wrong with the course of events as stated by Clint and other family members.

I respectfully disagree. I think most of the confusion is due to second- or third-hand reporting (by the media and LE). I also would expect not to have perfect clarity, since (1) I'm not there in person; (2) I do not know the persons involved; and (3) I don't have the luxury to ask questions for clarification. Would I like someone to fill in the blanks? Sure. Will some of them be filled in later? Probably. But I'm not in a position to demand more than I have received so far. (I'm not a detective assigned to the case; I'm not responsible for solving this crime; I'm simply an interested observer.) So, I'm willing to accept not having all the facts. I'm certainly not going to use the lack of clarity as an excuse to cast suspicion on the Bobos.