TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #27

[JeannieC]

Holly and Gail Palmgren were lost in TN. I understand that the TBI keeps it very quiet, but am questioning their techniques as neither have been solved. Give US something! I think, and pray for them and families every day.

I realize they don't want to give out too much information but for gosh sakes, "Throw the dog a bone"....:beagle:

 

[RavenTrue]

Maybe she was raped, strangled to death or killed in some other manner, and bundled up inside a tarp near the edge of the woods.

Perhaps a tarp could've been used for several reasons: so he could rape her and not get grass stains on his clothing, so his DNA wouldn't be left on the ground during a rape, or so he could bundle her up in the tarp to disguise her as he left with her (dead or alive), or to keep her skin cells inside the tarp in order to cause the tracking dogs to lose the trail.

What the he!!? Well of course ANYthing is possible, and probable, WHY must you bring forth the WORST to light? OMG Have you actually READ about this case? I am offended. If you are not up to date with the facts of this case then I ask you to NOT use such awful, terrible terms pertaining to this with NO knowledge. Btw, what state are you from? My goodness!

 

[Carla Lashelle]

What the he!!? Well of course ANYthing is possible, and probable, WHY must you bring forth the WORST to light? OMG Have you actually READ about this case? I am offended. If you are not up to date with the facts of this case then I ask you to NOT use such awful, terrible terms pertaining to this with NO knowledge. Btw, what state are you from? My goodness!

Aside from the blunt nature of the post, its not unreasonable to assume that this is not exactly what happened (more or less). I doubt that concealing a body in a tarp would deter a properly trained dog, though.

I assume Holly was probably assaulted and killed within a short time of her abduction. Sadly, thats how these kinds of crimes play out far too often.

Yes there are exceptions (Jaycee Dugard, Eliz Smart, etc.) but they are singleular exceptions compared to thousands who don't make it.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Okay here is something interesting...

Holly's mom has a new flyer... I read about this last nite. Oddly it mentions that Karen sent flyers to Mississippi. I wondered what that was all about, and was going to bring it up this morning. Now, this is from an NBC affiliate:

http://www.wsmv.com/story/15246532/holly-bobos-mom-tries-new-tactics-to-bring-daughter-home

Interestingly, there is a report here on a confessed serial killer being held in Mississippi who claims to have killed a girl recently in TN:

http://www.wapt.com/r/28827020/detail.html

Charles Krauss, age 51, has aparently confessed to various murders going back to the 80s. However, he has recanted some confessions, and cops have found at least 3 of his supposed victims are still alive. If he has killed people, he sounds kind of like Otis Toole (suspected in killing John Walsh's son, Adam) who had stories all over the place and was quite hard to pin down or believe.

 

[JeannieC]

Serial Killer In Pearl, Mississippi?

Charles Krauss, also known as Tim Foster 51 years old

"He gave us information on disappearances of women that we have confirmed with these other agencies that were women still currently missing," Townsend said

He confessed to 11 murders or 9 (depends on the articel) than recanted. Seems strange. I've never known of a SK who confessed before being questioned. They arrested him for driving a stolen pick-up truck.

http://www2.wjtv.com/news/2011/aug/11/serial-killer-pearl-mississippi-ar-2262889/

http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/self-professed-serial-killer-arrested-in-mississippi

http://www.newson6.com/story/152449...-womans-disappearance-arrested-in-mississippi

 

[JeannieC]

Charles Krauss, also known as Tim Foster 51 years old


He claims he killed 3 in Tulsa, OK, 3 in Knoxville, Tenn., one in Perry, Georgia, one in Indianapolis, IN, one in Athens, Georgia and made a conjecture about Dallas, Texas but LE is not sure about that.

 

[JeannieC]

I wonder if he is for real or just picking the states where he knows girls are missing. High Profile cases that have been all over the news. I guess time will tell.

He might be crazy or wanting to be famous. If he is for real I hope and pray LE can prove it and if not I hope they prove that too. This will have a lot of families waiting to find out the truth.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Seemingly the Knoxville TN case is not true either


Police say self-professed serial killer's Knoxville claim is false
Posted: Aug 10, 2011 6:25 PM EDT
Updated: Aug 11, 2011 9:53 AM EDT


Charles Timothy Krauss (source: Tulsa, Oklahoma Police Department)
KNOXVILLE (WATE) - Investigators say a self-professed serial killer's claim that he killed a woman in Knoxville is false.

http://www.wate.com/story/15246143/...knoxville-claim-is-false?clienttype=printable

 

[TxLady2]

Maybe she was raped, strangled to death or killed in some other manner, and bundled up inside a tarp near the edge of the woods.

Perhaps a tarp could've been used for several reasons: so he could rape her and not get grass stains on his clothing, so his DNA wouldn't be left on the ground during a rape, or so he could bundle her up in the tarp to disguise her as he left with her (dead or alive), or to keep her skin cells inside the tarp in order to cause the tracking dogs to lose the trail.

There could have been a tarp used, but I highly doubt an abductor is going to be so careful to keep any DNA contained in a tarp and then leave a body near the edge of the woods where the person was last seen being led into. Or IF he was that stupid, I'm pretty sure the dogs would have found her body the very first day.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Holly and Gail Palmgren were lost in TN. I understand that the TBI keeps it very quiet, but am questioning their techniques as neither have been solved. Give US something! I think, and pray for them and families every day.

I honestly don't believe LE has anything to give us.

Many many cases remain unsolved .......sometimes for years or even decades or are never solved.

I don't think the TBI has anything to go on except they know that Holly was bleeding before her abduction which leads me to believe whomever got her is a ruthless violent person and most likely raped and murdered Holly and has hidden her remains somewhere out of the area of the abduction site.

Sad to say but there a so many missing persons cases all over the country that aren't ever resolved.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There could have been a tarp used, but I highly doubt an abductor is going to be so careful to keep any DNA contained in a tarp and then leave a body near the edge of the woods where the person was last seen being led into. Or IF he was that stupid, I'm pretty sure the dogs would have found her body the very first day.

I don't believe that Holly's remains are in the area she lived in. I think he took her away by force then raped and murdered her and has put her remains somewhere he knows the TBI will not look.

IMO

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I don't believe that Holly's remains are in the area she lived in. I think he took her away by force then raped and murdered her and has put her remains somewhere he knows the TBI will not look.

IMO

Thats probably quite true... given the exhaustive searches in the immediate area around her home/community.

 

[Prancy]

Are they any posters on these boards who live in the area where Holly vanished? I would really like to see video of the road that runs by her house.

From the map, it appears this is a very secluded area. It's not the type of situation where a criminal would just be riding along and say hey, I think I'll go into that house and see if there is a young, beautiful girl I can abduct. It just seems that the abductor had to know who she was and that house is where she lived. Would it be likely he knew her brother would be there? I don't know. Wouldn't someone who knew her brother was there be afraid that he would see the abduction, pull out a gun and shoot him or ID him?

That tells me that the stranger abduction theory is not likely due to the remote area and unlikely chance the stranger would know a young girl lives in that house.

The theory that it's someone who knows her very well is problematic, because if he did know that her brother would be there, he would have not taken the chance that her brother would shoot him or identify him.

I think I'm a little more confident that Holly will be found than most on this board. I think someone will slip up and tell where she is. Whether it's a teen who tells friends or parents, or caves in to police pressure. I do pray the family is able to lay her to rest.

 

[Jade]

Okay here is something interesting...

Holly's mom has a new flyer... I read about this last nite. Oddly it mentions that Karen sent flyers to Mississippi. I wondered what that was all about, and was going to bring it up this morning.

>>respectfully snipped


Because the abductor may have taken her to hide out along the Natchez Trace?

http://www.nps.gov/natr/index.htm

Maps:

http://www.nps.gov/natr/planyourvisit/parkway-maps.htm

imo

 

[Carla Lashelle]

>>respectfully snipped


Because the abductor may have taken her to hide out along the Natchez Trace?

http://www.nps.gov/natr/index.htm

Maps:

http://www.nps.gov/natr/planyourvisit/parkway-maps.htm

imo

Oh possibly I think it was more of a direct correlation with the fact that they had this supposed confessed killer there. Mom could have sent fliers anywhere really but to me that was an odd coincidence.

 

[Oriah]

Are they any posters on these boards who live in the area where Holly vanished? I would really like to see video of the road that runs by her house.

From the map, it appears this is a very secluded area. It's not the type of situation where a criminal would just be riding along and say hey, I think I'll go into that house and see if there is a young, beautiful girl I can abduct. It just seems that the abductor had to know who she was and that house is where she lived. Would it be likely he knew her brother would be there? I don't know. Wouldn't someone who knew her brother was there be afraid that he would see the abduction, pull out a gun and shoot him or ID him?

That tells me that the stranger abduction theory is not likely due to the remote area and unlikely chance the stranger would know a young girl lives in that house.

The theory that it's someone who knows her very well is problematic, because if he did know that her brother would be there, he would have not taken the chance that her brother would shoot him or identify him.

I think I'm a little more confident that Holly will be found than most on this board. I think someone will slip up and tell where she is. Whether it's a teen who tells friends or parents, or caves in to police pressure. I do pray the family is able to lay her to rest.

I don't live in the area Holly was kidnapped from, but am very familiar with it.
I believe there was some video posted earlier on Swan Johnson Rd, that was taken during a search. I'll see if I can dig it up for you.
It is a very typical paved rural road (although I suppose that depends on your idea of rural...)

 

[concentric]

Are they any posters on these boards who live in the area where Holly vanished? I would really like to see video of the road that runs by her house.

From the map, it appears this is a very secluded area. It's not the type of situation where a criminal would just be riding along and say hey, I think I'll go into that house and see if there is a young, beautiful girl I can abduct.
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Secluded in the sense of being a "small town". However, the media and the internet have made everywhere a public place.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I seriously doubt this was some crime of opportunity... plus with searches around Holly's school, that implies LE suspects she was being watched. Just the fact that the driveway is so long makes it impossible to see around the back of the house, where things seem to have went down, from the street.

Yes the house is isolated. Sure people know about it now, but its not the kind of place you would find easily just passing through town (its out of town, for one).

Whoever did this knew the house and location based on observations.

 

[mountainguy777]

Talking, kneeling, walking casually towards the woods not knowing if anyone is home or how many even live in the home which is is the boonies. Not a serial killer situation.

 

[JeannieC]

I honestly don't believe LE has anything to give us.

Many many cases remain unsolved .......sometimes for years or even decades or are never solved.

I don't think the TBI has anything to go on except they know that Holly was bleeding before her abduction which leads me to believe whomever got her is a ruthless violent person and most likely raped and murdered Holly and has hidden her remains somewhere out of the area of the abduction site.

Sad to say but there a so many missing persons cases all over the country that aren't ever resolved.

IMO

You are absolutely right. Look at my signature. Tommy Sumerix and Ruth Guthrie unsolved since 1962 and there are so many before and since them. If Holly is deceased I just hope and pray someone finds her body.

All of us know that is a possibility and all of us hope she is found alive. That does happen so we all have HOPE even though those cases are rare, we still have HOPE!