TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #27

[Oriah]

I'm pretty sure that the family HAS sat down and talked to LE about everything, it's just that we are not entitled to know what they told them. It's customary to separate the family in the very beginning, so LE can pick out inconsistencies, but since Clint was the only one at home when Holly disappeared, the mom and dad can't help much with the time or exact order of events.
The 24 hr. period before she went missing may not be much help if it was a stranger abduction, unless they hope to catch someone on a security camera somewhere talking to her or watching her.
I think LE knows a lot more than the public does at this point.

I agree, TxLady.
Thank you.

 

[Oriah]

Well again the statements about the blood are pretty general... there was a small amount of blood found (I doubt two people contributed to this small amount) and her folks said it belonged to Holly. Thats it.

I think you are asking for the kind of detailed, cover all bases answers that are just not available. We can only work with some very general parameters here.

A very small amount of blood (even a minute amount) can- and in my experience often does- contain DNA from multiple sources. Especially when a crime has been committed.

Details are important. If there is an unidentified DNA profile popping up in the analysis of the blood- that's important. It's also important how aged the blood was at the time.

JMVHO, of course.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

A very small amount of blood (even a minute amount) can- and in my experience often does- contain DNA from multiple sources. Especially when a crime has been committed.

Details are important. If there is an unidentified DNA profile popping up in the analysis of the blood- that's important. It's also important how aged the blood was at the time.

JMVHO, of course.

Never said it wasnt but any thoughts on the matter are pure speculation and nothing I can answer, as I have said before. No one has mentioned any unknown DNA profile so thats pure and total speculation too.

 

[Oriah]

For those who didn't know there are a lot of different "Turkey Calls" . This site has a bunch of them. I listened but didn't hear one that sounded like a person screaming. Maybe, you will.

http://www.nwtf.org/all_about_turkeys/calling_tips.html

Hunting is legal an hour before sunrise and until sundown in Tenn.

Turkeys respond with 'shock' gobbles to certain pitches- and suddenness of certain pitches- with a gobble. The noise they respond to (which is why hunters use them to locate them) can be anything from a hawk screaming, to a person screaming, to a turkey call, to a starter in a vehicle, etc.

Again- I think people would be surprised by how human a 'scream' can sound when coming from an animial, or an animal call.

I just think it's something to note regarding Holly's kidnapping, CB's account, camoflage, and the Bobo's neighbor hearing the scream.

 

[shefner]

Thanks for your response TxLady,

I know we are not entitled to know (everything) that was told to LE, but don't you think since the family themselves are going on TV to ask for the publics help, they should at least have a timeline of events that makes some sense.

Yes, Clint was the ONLY one home --so his account is crucial, but has changed a number of times. Some of the changes relate to the call to his mother, so Her account also is important.

The mother has said she saw Holly at 4:30 in her room studying, she never accounts for the time between 4:30am and the time at which she and her husband left for work.
She said she had already spoke to Drew, the boyfriend, before Clint called her. What reason did she have for calling Drew before she knew anything was wrong?
The neighbor comes in to this because she "heard" a scream at around 7:30, that scream has now established the beginning timeline. How do we know WHO screamed, Clint did not hear it, and the neighbor never actually saw Holly.
The most disturbing part of the account is this--When Clint was first interviewed he said he only saw Holly being led off by a 6ft 200lb man into the woods,as the question of Why did he not do something arose, then he says he saw the 2 figures in the garage and believed it to be Holly and her boyfriend, Drew. He knew Drew, and he also knows he does not fit that size description. Was it a cover for him not doing anything to stop his sisters assailant?
Now I know you are thinking I am accusing Clint, or the family of some sinister involvement. Not So. I only ask the questions that allow people to continue to suspect the family May know more about Holly's disappearance. I know we have absolutely no right to ANY information that would jeopardize this case, and I for one do not need to know 1 single aspect of this case. It is not my problem, but the family themselves have made the public plea for help. I just say "help us help you", straighten things out, or go back to the silence of the past 3 months.

How can one ask for help, but leave so many questions unanswered? I am hopeful you are right, TxLady, and LE has all the info they need to solve this case and bring Holly home. That is all that really matters.:twocents:

I don't think Karen said that she saw Holly studying at 4:30am....but she said she spoke to Holly that morning and Holly told her she had been up studying. We also know she spoke with her own mother and spoke with Drew that morning....but we don't know if those were phone calls or "in-person" conversations.

Clint states that he heard the family dog barking and awoke to hear people in the garage area. He looked out to see 2 silhouettes bent down as if looking over a something. He called his mom to ask if anyone was expected at the home...and then he looked out to see Holly walking with someone he thought was Drew, in camo. Drew does apparently fit the description fairly well and is a hunter...but it was not him.

I have had a lot of questions about what exactly Clint saw that morning...and the whole timeline is a little confusing. But I don't think he had anything to do with his sister's disappearance and I'm sure he has wondered many times why he didn't do something or say something.

This case has been going on for 4 months....and I think about Holly every day. I pray one day we will know what happened.

 

[belimom]

I think that Clint didn't get a good hard look at the perp. My guess is he obviously was going about his normal day, not looking for anything out of the ordinary. So when he glanced out of a window and saw Holly speaking to a man in camo, his first assumption was probably that it was her BF --- b/c it never crossed his mind that someone would come and take Holly away.

When you're in a regular environment, I think the first assumption is to assume that who/what you see belong there in some way, and your brain therefore finds the fastest match and you go on your way.

JMHO.

 

[Whisperer]

I found a forum that was very interesting. It was a local website based in TN. It is not a topix forum.I don't know if I can link it, but I suspect not. I need verification on this but it reads that Clint B works at a Parson TN Nursing Home. Somewhere I read that he is a Social Worker but there is no verification with the licensing board of Tenn.

Of interest is the guy who is in custody Jason N. who approached two nineteen yr old girls around the time Holly vanished. He stalked one at a mall and one at a college campus. The one at the college called security and they caught him. He is from the area.

The other point of interest was the abandoned car found near the lunchbox. They say it was still warm and had camo, gloves and possibly cell in it. I have no verification on this...but it has been reported by some. For now it is a very interesting rumor.

There is a wonderful map done by one of our own on this entire case. It may be helpful to study it. It is well labeled and all the searches are on it. Holly did not go to the university but was taking a tech course in nursing in Parsons, TN. Depending on how far along she was, flip flops are not allowed in Clinical rotation.

I would like to know more on the education of both Holly and her brother. Did somebody follow one of them home from work or school. Does Clint come home from work about the time Holly goes to school? This case always has me questioning.

 

[Whisperer]

Who gave LE the description of Holly's clothing and shoes? From the looks of those woods, flip flops wouldn't get it.

 

[BeanE]

I never heard anything about an abandoned car? ...but see this is why I honestly believe this family has got to sit down with LE /FBI with 1 account of what transpire (the entire 24hrs) before Holly went missing that morning. Let the authorities sort out all the inconsistencies and rumors and come up with a cohesive TIMELINE.

Until that time I do not feel the Bobo's can appeal to the public for their help. For that matter if LE doesn't have any clearer timeline, even they are going to have a problem figuring this out, and that is their primary job, not ours.

Something is just not right, and until all the rumors and inconsistent accounts are cleared up, this case isn't moving forward. IMHOO-OK? :banghead:

BBM

The family has to sit down with LE because the public and the media have come up with all these rumors and inconsistencies like the car??? :waitasec:

I have no doubt that the family doesn't have a clue about even half the rumors and inconsistencies people have cooked up.

 

[BeanE]

I found a forum that was very interesting. It was a local website based in TN. It is not a topix forum.I don't know if I can link it, but I suspect not. I need verification on this but it reads that Clint B works at a Parson TN Nursing Home. Somewhere I read that he is a Social Worker but there is no verification with the licensing board of Tenn.

Of interest is the guy who is in custody Jason N. who approached two nineteen yr old girls around the time Holly vanished. He stalked one at a mall and one at a college campus. The one at the college called security and they caught him. He is from the area.

The other point of interest was the abandoned car found near the lunchbox. They say it was still warm and had camo, gloves and possibly cell in it. I have no verification on this...but it has been reported by some. For now it is a very interesting rumor.

BBM. Here's a good example. That car, and its contents, were determined by LE to have belonged to a hunter - a *long* time ago.

But the public and the media created the rumor, and keep the rumor going. Then turn around and blame the family for the rumors and inconsistencies that the public and the media create and keep going.

This happens in case after case after case - create and spread rumors and gossip - then trash innocent family members for them.

 

[docwho3]

. . .The other point of interest was the abandoned car
found near the lunchbox. They say it was still warm and had camo, gloves
and possibly cell in it. I have no verification on this...but it has been
reported by some. For now it is a very interesting rumor. . .

I thought this might be a little helpful.
'. . .An earlier report that her cell phone and camouflage clothing had been found
in a car in the area was incorrect, said Tennessee Bureau of Investigation
Special Agent John Mehr. . .'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4261390...ourts/t/missing-tenn-woman-was-fear-her-life/

 

[OldSteve]

"Support shown at vigil for family of Holly Bobo"

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110814/NEWS25/108140333

 

[tfrohning]

I been reading back on the scanner feeds. It interesting to read back on than.

The post on the warm car is'
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133296&highlight=scanner+chatter&page=3

post #60

 

[JeannieC]

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How can one ask for help, but leave so many questions unanswered? I am hopeful you are right, TxLady, and LE has all the info they need to solve this case and bring Holly home. That is all that really matters.:twocents:

I believe when the family is asking for help they mean anyone who has seen anything, heard anything, or knows anything. In other words witnesses.

 

[Whisperer]

It may be a good idea for people situated out in the wilderness to have security cameras installed on their property.

 

[Whisperer]

Rumor resolved: car found w/camo clothing, etc. was from a hunter. Appears everyone in the area likes to hunt and kill animals. I don't understand this way of life and will leave it to people that do to try and solve this case. It's a whole different world.

 

[Whisperer]

I believe when the family is asking for help they mean anyone who has seen anything, heard anything, or knows anything. In other words witnesses.

Good luck with that one. What, is the nearest house about a mile away? Speaking of that, what about that neighbor? When is she/he going to talk about what they heard? The strangest thing is they won't release the 911. Now, why not? Makes you think that something was said that's important...

 

[Oriah]

I was taking a close look at the areas surrounding the Bobo's home this weekend. Do we have the plat for their property and all surrounding properties up here? I'd like to see all borders of private and public land online, so people can understand the different boundaries.
I am trying to track down game permits, kill tags, hunting leases, etc.

ETA: I'd also like to know if EMS and or FD arrived in conjunction with LE the morning Holly was kidnapped. Perhaps a local knows this?

 

[Oriah]

A fascinating source of info:
https://hfwa.centraltechnology.net/TNHFInternetHarvest/app/checkingStationSearch.do?countyId=20
https://hfwa.centraltechnology.net/TNHFInternetHarvest/app/checkingStationSearch.do?countyId=39

And probably a good place for posters of Holly to be put up- as well as the description of the type of camo worn by her abductor.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Turkeys respond with 'shock' gobbles to certain pitches- and suddenness of certain pitches- with a gobble. The noise they respond to (which is why hunters use them to locate them) can be anything from a hawk screaming, to a person screaming, to a turkey call, to a starter in a vehicle, etc.

[Again- I think people would be surprised by how human a 'scream' can sound when coming from an animial, or an animal call.

I just think it's something to note regarding Holly's kidnapping, CB's account, camoflage, and the Bobo's neighbor hearing the scream.

Oriah,

By this statement you agree the "scream" did not necessarily come from Holly?

Clint was the only one to have "actually" seen Holly, right.

...and if the scream is the determining factor in establishing a timeline, then the beginning timeline could be wrong.Yes?

Now my question would be "when was the last time anyone saw Holly before Clint's eyewitness account of 2 people walking into the woods.

This is why I ask if there is ONE "official" timeline in use. Then as BeanE says there would not be "rumors and innuendo" surrounding this case.
As some of the posters here have said , LE has questioned the family and supposedly sorted it all out.

If there is that Official timeline, would someone be kind enough to post it, and we can ALL be on the same page.

The reason I ask when someone last saw Holly , other than Clint, is for all we know something could of happened to her during the night time/early morning hours.

.....and BeanE, I know what your saying about all the rumors flying around and hurting the family. However, do you think it should be this hard to obtain One cohesive eyewitness account? Unfortunately this is how rumors get started. Information gets released that does not add up, and the rest is history.:banghead:

May I add one more thing--I am not talking about releasing "sensitive " information that would jeopardize the case in any way. That is not our business