TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #27

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  • #621
Question I never got straight in my brain--

Did Holly park her car in that carport where CB saw her and camo man that morning?

For some reason I always pictured her car parked out in front of the house,
but maybe not.

Could she have gone to the carport to get into her car to go to school and been attacked?

Sure wish I knew the answer to that. My impression always was she was parked in the driveway. In this case, we are left with impressions only and that is the problem, imo. We are forming pictures from the words that were used and, frankly, because of this we are all getting different pictures. The statement from the witness is not clear.
 
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Snipped your interviews questions and they are good and you 100% correct about how it should be conducted!

Adding my :twocents: since KB was talking to HB's BF early in the morning, sometime before or while Holly was leaving, I wonder about that ....and how does that tie into it being the first time in (how long) as it was mentioned that Drew wasn't with Holly on the evening before...

When are these people who host shows going to learn how to interview? These compound questions are driving me nuts. They certainly should know that you will not get a clear answer when you hand them two or more questions. The respondent will pick and choose. It lets them off the hook.

Perhaps the people don't want to go on NG..she may hit a little harder. Asking compound questions is the sign of a poor interviewer. I know that sometimes the host can get caught up in conversation and can't help themselves but once they realize what they did, they need to immediately clarify that they asked two questions and get the response. I do not see that happening on JVM. Other than that, I think she was trying as best as she could and she did help out with some important facts.
 
  • #624
Good lawd....the way ya'll pick apart a boy's simple conversation is enough to plum near rattle my chain. Enough already...
Let's get us a decent southern gal to talk to 'im. We ain't stupid....we just talk funny.

The above statement could be heard in any grocery store line in NC...or TN. Its just the way of speech here. There is absolutely nothing disturbing about Clint saying, "I looked back out." That is exactly what I would say.

What is making this thing difficult is the interviewer. The interviewer needs to ask reasonable questions...and not talk over the answers.
1. What happened the night before Holly went missing...where did she go, what did she do?
2. What time was the first time you saw her that day?
3. What did Holly say that morning? What was her demeanor?
4. Was everything ok in Holly's life? Did she have any disagreements going on with any old friends or boyfriends?
5. Were things going along ok for her with Drew?
6. Did she mention getting any cell phone calls that morning...or any house phone calls?
7. Karen, what phone calls did you make or receive that morning?
8. Dana, how about you....what phone calls did you make or receive that morning?
9. What time did you guys leave the house? Was that your normal time schedule?
10. What was Holly doing when you guys left home?
11. Clint, tell us about your schedule? Do you live at home year round?
12. Clint, what was your normal routine each day?
13. Tell us about the 911 calls....Clint did you call 911?
14. What do you think happened?

And on and on you could go....but at least let them talk freely and explain their answers. We really haven't had a good interview yet...
Fantastic post :clap:

These are excellent questions and I wish you could interview the family.

I still don't think that this is a Southern Speak problem with CB because we don't have the same problem with the mom and dad. As stated before, this is an educated family and I don't see any thing stupid about them or the way they speak. I admit to having a problem with clint though. He is communicating words but they are not giving us a picture of what and where the events occurred. Either there is some sort of disability going on or he is intentionally leaving out events of that morning, is a choice I am trying to decide.
 
  • #625
Question I never got straight in my brain--

Did Holly park her car in that carport where CB saw her and camo man that morning?

For some reason I always pictured her car parked out in front of the house,
but maybe not.

Could she have gone to the carport to get into her car to go to school and been attacked?

Good question! Wish I had thought of it!
 
  • #626
Question I never got straight in my brain--

Did Holly park her car in that carport where CB saw her and camo man that morning?

For some reason I always pictured her car parked out in front of the house,
but maybe not.

Could she have gone to the carport to get into her car to go to school and been attacked?

The problem is that various terms have been used by third, fourth and fifth party reporters so we don't know for sure where her car was parked. One article/story from July says her car was parked "in the driveway". I think possibly the car was parked behind the house in the covered car port behind the garage end of the house.

To me, this area is the only area that at least half way makes sense when trying to fit various other details of what happned into one picture.

For example, the actual garage area as seen in photos is enclosed and does not have a front door. If Holly were parked out front, she would have walked out the front door of the house and to her car in the driveway. This does not make sense when Clint says he saw them "in the garage" as they would have had to walk all the way around the house to the back AFTER she was accosted in the front.

If Holly were parked in the back of the house, I assume there is a door leading to the back of the enclosed garage area. It just makes more sense that way. Holly goes out her back door, is assaulted and drops her coke... camo man pushes her back into the garage and thats when Clint sees them. This would account for the voices outside and then them being seen inside.
 
  • #627
Question I never got straight in my brain--

Did Holly park her car in that carport where CB saw her and camo man that morning?

For some reason I always pictured her car parked out in front of the house,
but maybe not.

Could she have gone to the carport to get into her car to go to school and been attacked?

The problem is that various terms have been used by third, fourth and fifth party reporters so we don't know for sure where her car was parked.

This is why we use Colorforms.
 
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Did someone say :turkey:
 
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Giving CB the benefit of the doubt, I will try this again. Perhaps he saw people through a curtain which for some reason he couldn't adjust. Perhaps his mother called him and he did not call her. Perhaps his mother called a house phone and that is why he left the window.

Taking these thoughts into consideration, CB would become panicked after the phone call. He runs to the window and sees them enter the woods, casually walking together.
According to CB, he runs to the woods and they are gone.

At this point, how soon did he follow to woods? Because if it were immediate, he should have seen them.

My second thought is with the silhouettes. If it was through a window, I doubt he could see them kneeling. So may I suggest it was a full door window covered with a curtain, perhaps sheer. At some point, the light would have to be just right to make silhouettes.

I have no idea why he didn't hear a scream and why was the "house" dog barking? I'd say the perp was noisy...not very good behavior for a stranger abduction.


CB tells us there was a spilled coke can near the car; he also added that a blood puddle was observed by him. He tells us he thought it was turkey blood and learned later that it wasn't. How much later was left out of the interview. We are still not together on where the car was parked. I had assumed it was in the driveway. We are given the word, "Garage" by CB.

What is happening is that people tend to make the facts fit their perception of what is said. We tend to get mind pictures conjured up by a witness. We assumed carport. It may be correct or it may be wrong. CB said "garage", he did not say carport. We know the garage is attached and we know it was converted; however, CB never said this happened in back of the house.

The spilled coke can and the blood are together, according to CB...they are both found next to her car. Why would a perp not get in her car with her? It tells us he had his own vehicle, but why park so far away and depend on the victim to walk with him? Why was it necessary to take a different vehicle.....in the woods? He has already made a racket and alerted a dog and CB in the house. BTW, clint said "our house dog". Is that vs outside dogs? Do they have other dogs? If not, adding the word "house" is odd.

What is needed is to know where the car was parked. It should not be difficult, yet in four months, I am not sure where the heck it was. We can know for sure that someting happened or looked liked it happened exactly as she was getting into her car. The other known fact is that she was wearing a pink shirt, lt blue jeans and flip-flops. She managed to take her lunch pak and phone despite the blood.
 
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For whatever reason, the perp wanted Holly away from that house. If this was stalking, any place other than the house would have been better.

I would say almost everyone following crime stories would agree that the perp is likely known to Holly. Who would have reason to hide her or harm her? No one, according to family and friends. What has to be considered is an accident. Was Holly accidentally injured and this is a cover-up. I am just throwing out this stuff....trying not to lock into one premise.
 
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The TBI says that Holly was last seen by a family member (Clint) "being drug across the carport". So now I'm more confused than ever. I thought Clint says after he got off the phone with his Mother he looked out the window and saw "them" walking together?
 
  • #636
For whatever reason, the perp wanted Holly away from that house. If this was stalking, any place other than the house would have been better.

I would say almost everyone following crime stories would agree that the perp is likely known to Holly. Who would have reason to hide her or harm her? No one, according to family and friends. What has to be considered is an accident. Was Holly accidentally injured and this is a cover-up. I am just throwing out this stuff....trying not to lock into one premise.

We are starting to get on the same page or at least in the same chapter. I have some thoughts about this, but not sure if it is OK to post a theory.
 
  • #637
Here is a quick link to information, pictures, maps, press releases, searches, etc for Holly's case. It is listed on the WS Missing Timeline Forum and Media Links Holly Bobo

Cash Archive Holly Bobo by AmandaReckonwith

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly Bobo -TN-/
Thanks so much for this link. I am searching through videos for PICs of house, etc. Almost every pic from media is from afar. There have been no pics of property (close up) so far.

I found an old pic of Holly on a porch. It appears it is the back of the house because it doesn't fit the front pictures. I want to see the door and see if it is glass. I bet it is. The small porch as a wicker chair and some plants. The siding matches the rest of the house.

Also, in pics of the driveway, it appears all four cars can park in the front w/o a problem. Two trucks were in the front and a white car was on the lawn under a tree. No reason to park around the back of the house.
 
  • #638
From reading since she went missing, it's a local known to the family but there's those pesky alibis & stuff. jmo

If otherwise, I'd bow to that info. xoxo
 
  • #639
The TBI says that Holly was last seen by a family member (Clint) "being drug across the carport". So now I'm more confused than ever. I thought Clint says after he got off the phone with his Mother he looked out the window and saw "them" walking together?

You point out one of the first and obvious discrepancies in what happened. This was the original version of the event. Then things were "clarified" to say that Holly was led into the woods, not dragged. Now, these statements are attributed to Clint, but in his tv interview he actually says she was not drug or led but was just walking... However, I am now inclined to believe more of the original scenario and think Clint saw and did more than has been disclosed. I'm not saying he is lying or changing his story, but rather LE seems to have clamped down on things quickly. Talking around specific details the family may have been told to keep quiet about may also help explain the choppy time line and series of events.
 
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Thanks so much for this link. I am searching through videos for PICs of house, etc. Almost every pic from media is from afar. There have been no pics of property (close up) so far.

I found an old pic of Holly on a porch. It appears it is the back of the house because it doesn't fit the front pictures. I want to see the door and see if it is glass. I bet it is. The small porch as a wicker chair and some plants. The siding matches the rest of the house.

Also, in pics of the driveway, it appears all four cars can park in the front w/o a problem. Two trucks were in the front and a white car was on the lawn under a tree. No reason to park around the back of the house.

If you are facing the front door of the house the driveway goes to the right and circles around to the back of the house, past what appears to be an above ground pool, circles to the left, then left toward the house. It looks like you enter the carport to the right.

The carport appears to be large enough for several cars.

There is a picture but it isn't large.
 
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