TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #27

[cluciano63]

The length of time he was there would not be as bizarre, if not for the blood...that throws it all off. Otherwise it seems as though he could have been talking her into going with him for some reason...but her walking off, seemingly under her own power after shedding blood...and talking for several minutes...just very confusing.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

The only reason I can see the perp taking his time is he felt confident nobody else was home. Even then, its strange to be so lethargic if your initial goal was to abduct.

Thats a question I have had all along is what kind of crime is this or was this supposed to be?

Was it always a planned abduction of Holly (I assume it was but...)?
Was it a home invasion gone bad (dont see why it "went bad")?
Was it some botched robbery that turned into a kidnapping?

Doesnt seem to be just a random crime but there is the possibility it was. I say this becasue someone could have loosely cased the neighborhood, not seen cars parked in front of the house and assumed no one was home, and then started snooping around out back when Holly happened to pop out going to school... Although its a bit of a stretch to go from there to kidnapping and probably murder. But who knows...??

 

[OldSteve]

Thats a question I have had all along is what kind of crime is this or was this supposed to be?

Was it always a planned abduction of Holly (I assume it was but...)?
Was it a home invasion gone bad (dont see why it "went bad")?
Was it some botched robbery that turned into a kidnapping?

Doesnt seem to be just a random crime but there is the possibility it was. I say this becasue someone could have loosely cased the neighborhood, not seen cars parked in front of the house and assumed no one was home, and then started snooping around out back when Holly happened to pop out going to school... Although its a bit of a stretch to go from there to kidnapping and probably murder. But who knows...??

But don't you feel the way things went so well in terms of her being taken away with no real trace of where she was taken to, that Holly had to be the target? Seems things had to be planned in advance....

 

[~n/t~]

But don't you feel the way things went so well in terms of her being taken away with no real trace of where she was taken to, that Holly had to be the target? Seems things had to be planned in advance....

It's interesting you say that because I recall very early on the feeling was the case would be solved in no time. IIRC, even LE said they were one clue away from cracking the case. So what happened? Why did it suddenly go from a one clue away to a cold case?

Dated May 2011

Investigators close to cracking Holly Bobo missing case, report says
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20062568-504083.html

 

[Carla Lashelle]

But don't you feel the way things went so well in terms of her being taken away with no real trace of where she was taken to, that Holly had to be the target? Seems things had to be planned in advance....

I dont know...

A problem in knowing how well (or not well) things went is not knowing all the evidence. LE may have found indications of various things at the home, in the woods, elsewhere... but we dont know. A lot of people go missing with much less known, so in this case having a witness is a bit unusual. Some of the gaps in the story, lacking evidence like no 911 calls relased, etc, indicate to me that LE knows a bit more and has kept the lid on various details. What has crept out is, therefore, a bit disjointed and inchoerent.

I do wonder back to some of the original "home invasion" reports of what happened which were much more confrontational and direct than the somewhat disjointed, incoherent and incohesive story we have now.

 

[cluciano63]

In this case, having a witness almost seems to make things more confusing...

 

[wfgodot]

In this case, having a witness almost seems to make things more confusing...

Not to mention having a police force.

 

[wishuwerehere]

I believe it was Holly’s scream that started the dog barking which in turn woke up Clint.

It makes sense that Holly screamed when she was at or very near her home because she knew Clint was home. She screamed to alert Clint she was in danger; and that’s when I think the perp slapped the can of coke out of her hand and it cut her finger – which explains the blood.

JMO

 

[Plumeria5]

I am going through different scenarios why an abductor would be brazen enough to spend time with Holly in the garage:

* He thought no one would be home because he was close to the family and knew their schedule. (But what about the barking dog? Wouldn't that cause him to bolt with Holly even if he thought no one was at home?)

* He stunned her with the stun gun and was unable to make her walk like his original plan.

* He knew CB was home but that was not a concern...(read into that what you may)

Any other ideas?

 

[wishuwerehere]

I am going through different scenarios why an abductor would be brazen enough to spend time with Holly in the garage:

* He thought no one would be home because he was close to the family and knew their schedule. (But what about the barking dog? Wouldn't that cause him to bolt with Holly even if he thought no one was at home?)

* He stunned her with the stun gun and was unable to make her walk like his original plan.

* He knew CB was home but that was not a concern...(read into that what you may)

Any other ideas?

Plumeria: It may be that when the abductor first encountered Holly in the garage/carport, Holly was in shock from him appearing out of nowhere. I believe she may have screamed when he tried to get her to go with him. (Theory No. 729).

 

[shefner]

I really believe Holly was approached by someone she knew. She was startled but maybe not afraid initially. She dropped the Coke can....so I think she was startled. Perhaps she stood there and spoke with him for a moment. Trying to figure out Holly's blood...but apparently it wasn't very much. Could she have been accidentally injured? Unlikely.

I'm convinced this unsub is a local.

 

[shefner]

I think the scream came when approaching the get-away vehicle. Maybe at this point, she was becoming increasingly fearful.

 

[Plumeria5]

I really believe Holly was approached by someone she knew. She was startled but maybe not afraid initially. She dropped the Coke can....so I think she was startled. Perhaps she stood there and spoke with him for a moment. Trying to figure out Holly's blood...but apparently it wasn't very much. Could she have been accidentally injured? Unlikely.

I'm convinced this unsub is a local.

She may have screamed first because she was so startled. He acted as though he just wanted to talk. She thought that was all he wanted. But, what then? Cutting herself with the Coke can is a possibility. Or, maybe he had a knife?

 

[wishuwerehere]

I believe we are all coming up with plausible scenarios. If we had an actual timeline of events, i.e. time of calls, and time scream was heard, we may be able to narrow the scenarios down to less than 100.

 

[Money Girl]

I am doubting the whole scenario as told by the brother and suspecting the brother more and more every day.

 

[CanManEh]

Considering the early hour of the morning this happened and the POI came just as she was getting ready to leave Im wondering if they have checked all the people that have the same class as holly maybe its a guy that was in the same class and had a thing for her and after time she was getting the creeps thinking he might be a stalkerish kinda guy that would exsplain how he caught her at a perfect moment and why she was so startled . I wonder if holly had a facebook page i would like to know if thier is a way to see if someone sent a friend request and she denied him . or reported him or blocked him.

 

[wishuwerehere]

I am doubting the whole scenario as told by the brother and suspecting the brother more and more every day.

What would be his motive? Do you think it was an accident, and then a coverup? (This has crossed my mind also.) (Theory No. 563).

 

[Carla Lashelle]

My scenario has always been similar to this....


Parents up, go to work...

Holly has been up studying, getting ready for school.

Clint is sleeping or at least not up and out of bed.

Holly leaves the house. She goes out the back door to her car in the car port. I am assuming this back door leads into the back of the garage. She is startled by someone. There is some discussion or scuffle. He may have struck holly. This is when the dog starts barking and Clint wakes up. He has heard the voices outside.

Based on what Clint said we know that Holly and the suspect were in the garage, aparently after he heard voices outside. Perhaps Holly tried to go back into the house? Perhaps the suspect, thinking Holly was alone, started to take her back inside?

Possibly after being struck, Holly is kneeling in the garage, and the suspect is with her. This is when Clint sees them, aparently in silhouette. So he does not see much detail. Possibly the suspect had become aware of Clint and was trying to hide by kneeling (with Holly).

After Clint leaves that part of the house to call his mom (all this is murky in Clint's description) the suspect and Holly leave the garage and walk up the back of the hosue through the yard. Clint sees them out a window...

At some point after the suspect is away from the property with Holly, she screams. Maybe he is trying to tie her, gag her, put her into a vehicle? She is closer to a neighbor and the neighbor, who is outside at the time, hears the screams and call 911.

I do not think the screams happened first. If the screaming had been first, then the phone calls would have been earlier rather than later, based on what little we know about the calls.

Addendum:

I also dont think she would instantly start screaming, then very calmly and quietly just walk along next to this guy going into the woods. Doesnt make sense that way. I can see her being calm and cooperative at first beucas maybe she was hit or threatened, but then paniced and screamed later on.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I am doubting the whole scenario as told by the brother and suspecting the brother more and more every day.

Elaborate please

Note that the family and LE have said the brother is not a suspect (although LE has said they also have not ruled anyone out).

Evidence found seems to indicate a third party was involved.

Time line would make things difficult for the brother to be involved.

Zero known motive

I can not think of any/many missing woman cases where it was the brother versus either a stranger (Elizabeth Smart), neighbor (family killed and stuffed into hollow tree and teenage daughter kidnapped), uncooperative friends (Britnee Drexel), husband or ex husband (Drew Peterson, Scott Peterson, Shelly Mook?)

The brother himself has been pretty consistent in his statements. What is attributed to him, or reported fifth hand by a blogger is not necessarily what he has said. Discrepencies do have logical explainations (like very poor interviewer skills, LE withholding evidence, etc.)

 

[cluciano63]

Except for hearing that the blood is Holly's, I can't think of anything new that has come out since April, really.