TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #28

[Plumeria5]

Well the whole thing is kinda murkey. Since Clint says Garage and is clear about Garage, and the fact that he saw only silhouettes and it seems to have been dark I would say they were in the Garage. I assume there is a door at the back of the Garage leading to the Carport. Perhaps they were in that area?

Remember also Clint said he heard voices outside first. Then he saw the two people in the Garage. So, I assume at first they were outside and then moved into the Garage. Perhaps Holly was accosted by her car first and then the suspect led her into the garage area. Perhaps the dog barking and Clint looking in spooked him. During Clints interviews no one has pressed him for any kind of clarification or details.

It is murkey! Ok. Let's say it was someone that Holly knew. An ex for example. The ex, being close to the family, knew Clint was not suppose to be there so Holly would be alone. So he confronted her in the carport and was taking her back into the house to assault her. The dog would know him so at first wouldn't bark until it sensed Holly was in danger. Trying to figure out how Clint's version could have worked. Still if she screamed and Clint never heard it, doesn't make sense since the neighbor's son, dog's cousin, father-in-law's girlfriend half-removed did! :woohoo:

 

[Carla Lashelle]

It is murkey! Ok. Let's say it was someone that Holly knew. An ex for example. The ex, being close to the family, knew Clint was not suppose to be there so Holly would be alone. So he confronted her in the carport and was taking her back into the house to assault her. The dog would know him so at first wouldn't bark until it sensed Holly was in danger. Trying to figure out how Clint's version could have worked. Still if she screamed and Clint never heard it, doesn't make sense since the neighbor's son, dog's cousin, father-in-law's girlfriend half-removed did! :woohoo:

AFAIK there is no ex. From all accounts Holly and Drew have been together for some time. If there is an ex, he has not turned up in any legitimate source. And this mythical abusive ex would be someone the family or friends would readily point out to LE.

I can not explain why Clint did not hear the screams IF Holly screamed outside her own house. If Holly Screamed after she was lead away then I can understand that.

I would not place much value or emphasis on any actions the dog did or didn't make. No two dogs act alike. Without knowing anything about their dogs in specific, its hard to say why the dog did bark, what caused him to bark, etc. Some dogs bark at everyone. Some never bark. I have a friends dog who never makes a sound until you stand up to leave the house and he starts to bark.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Was he able to describe the guy?

Did he get a good look at him? No in clint's words just silhouettes of people in his garage he THOUGHT were Holly and Drew

He must not have recognized the guy or LE would have caught up to him by now. No just a 6' 200lb man in camo no other description, not even race

I wonder if it was normal for guys and gals to go for walks in the woods? Boyfriend/girlfriends would probably walk in the woods together. Especially when you live in a rural area, enjoy hunting and outdoor stuff as Holly and Drew did together. I walk in the woods with my partner.

I would guess that Clint wishes he had screamed her name, went after her to see what they were doing, anything that would have kept her from being taken, etc. I still do not understand exactly how, if Holly screamed initially outside her house how Clint did not hear it and why Holly was silent in the garage and did not seem in duress when she walked into the woods. I also do not understand if Clint were confused about who was in his garage and why, and that he just saw silhouettes of people that he did not look closer, but instead went away from the garage and called him mom to ask who was in the garage.

I feel for the brother. I don't suspect Clint of anything and think he must feel awful now. But I don't know the whole, unedited, gap-free, cleared up explaination of what happened either.

only knowing individual details about what happened, but not knowing the proper time line and sequence hurts

 

[Plumeria5]

only knowing individual details about what happened, but not knowing the proper time line and sequence hurts

Exactly. If there was a definite timeline of events then the scream, calls, etc would be explained and it would be much easier to know what or who to believe or discredit.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Doesn't it seem strange that we've never seen or heard from Drew since Holly went missing? Wouldn't the media usually interview the distraught boyfriend?
How was it that Karen spoke to him early that same morning and texts him daily?
I'd like to know when and where did Drew last see Holly.
Id like to know why he is being kept away from the public.

Perhaps Drew is not speaking, because what would he say?
Further consideration that the "witness account" is to cover what actually took place, and anything said could jeopardize Holly.
Not to mention Look what it has meant for Clint.

 

[~n/t~]

Perhaps Drew is not speaking, because what would he say?
Further consideration that the "witness account" is to cover what actually took place, and anything said could jeopardize Holly.
Not to mention Look what it has meant for Clint.

Sadly, I don't think Holly is alive at this point. If there have been no ransom demands and the reward is right up there as the most I've ever seen in a missing person case, they got help from 3 different LE agencies and hundreds of volunteer searches.

Someone knows where she is. I'd like to know when Drew saw her last. Hiding behind texting mom every night won't help find Holly, imo

 

[wfgodot]

If this were part of some master plan by the family and LE, Mrs Bobo would not have been on TV asking for federal help.

 

[~n/t~]

If this were part of some master plan by the family and LE, Mrs Bobo would not have been on TV asking for federal help.

That was very odd. I'm still unclear as to what she meant by asking for the President's help. She has 3 LE agencies helping her. What could the President do? All she has to do is go back to LE and demand they do something. Keep in their faces every single day. :waitasec: IMO

 

[cluciano63]

That was very odd. I'm still unclear as to what she meant by asking for the President's help. She has 3 LE agencies helping her. What could the President do? All she has to do is go back to LE and demand they do something. Keep in their faces every single day. :waitasec: IMO

I think she is very frustrated with their telling her, seemingly over and over, that they don't have to keep her informed.

 

[wfgodot]

That was very odd. I'm still unclear as to what she meant by asking for the President's help. She has 3 LE agencies helping her. What could the President do? All she has to do is go back to LE and demand they do something. Keep in their faces every single day. :waitasec: IMO

I think she wants the case transferred to the FBI as lead agency. I don't think she has any trust in Tennessee LE's ability to solve the case. As she can't even learn from them if they found her daughter's cell phone, I don't blame her.

 

[Advocate1]

Well your are not alone friend.
I also think they know who is responsible but don't have enough to prosecute and secure a conviction. The culture of a small southern town is impossible to understand if you don't have knowledge of small town living outside of books and tv.
I have thought about the ransom thing a lot. I'm not convinced by any means but haven't ruled it out. I don't think LE would comment publically on a domestic ransom kidnapping, would they? The whole point is to blackmail the family or person and media attention would not be good. I am concerned that it took LE 3 days to clarify the story. Kristin Helm with TBI said the word "dragged" was "misused" but didn't know who misused it LE, or Clint.

The two accounts are drastically different.
I don't see how the accounts could be confused at all.

How can this:

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/documents/MissingWomanFearedVictimofHomeInvasionKidnapping

Be mistaken for this:

We believe he actually had her arm, holding her. We feel she was in fear of her life, so was complying," he told a news conference. Mehr said investigators "did not see drag marks." He added she was "not forcefully dragged and she's like any other victim, maybe complying with her attacker, but she walked into the woods" outside her Pasrons, Tenn. home. Bobo's 25-year-old brother watched from inside the home, but did not believe she was being abducted until later. He saw the stranger from behind and believed it was his sister's boyfriend. Investigators initially said the woman was dragged from near the house's carport into the woods, leading many to ask why the brother had not intervened. Her brother, said Mehr, "had reasons to believe [the man] was not an attacker."

I also think the word "possibly" was strange. How does one "possibly" get abducted when someone witnesses them being drug away? Possibly is more appropriate in the second account in my opinion. The statements in this case by all involved are by far the most unclear and contradicting ones I can remember. Wasn't it concerning to anyone else that they said it was a home invasion and that her brother watched from INSIDE her beinh dragged away? I know it was to me. I was more concerned if he was tied up, hurt or being threatened then why he didn't chase after them when I heard that.

Sadly, I don't think Holly is alive at this point. If there have been no ransom demands and the reward is right up there as the most I've ever seen in a missing person case, they got help from 3 different LE agencies and hundreds of volunteer searches.

Someone knows where she is. I'd like to know when Drew saw her last. Hiding behind texting mom every night won't help find Holly, imo

 

[~n/t~]

I think she is very frustrated with their telling her, seemingly over and over, that they don't have to keep her informed.

Perhaps it's time for the family to invest in a PI or an attorney who will get them the answers they want from LE. In this case, a pastor just won't cut it, I'm afraid. It's great that they pray for Holly everyday in the community but it won't bring her back and it certainly won't bring them any closer to finding out what happened to her. The longer they wait, the chances of evidence being lost or compromised is very high.

 

[cluciano63]

Perhaps it's time for the family to invest in a PI or an attorney who will get them the answers they want from LE. In this case, a pastor just won't cut it, I'm afraid. It's great that they pray for Holly everyday in the community but it won't bring her back and it certainly won't bring them any closer to finding out what happened to her. The longer they wait, the chances of evidence being lost or compromised is very high.

Yeah, I am not a big believer in the power of prayer, no offense to anyone who is. But if it worked so well, lots of kids and adults would have been brought home safely by now...

Anyway, I think LE "changed" the wording from being "dragged" to the "being led" to protect Clint, as people were freaking out that an adult brother could watch his sister being dragged away and do nothing other than call his mother. They dance around their words, saying she was being led, she was a victim, etc...but don't seem to have anything to back that up, other than the drops (or fleck, whatever) of blood. Why not just say what he saw, no matter who looks bad? Was she dragged, was she walking and chatting with, what happened??

 

[~n/t~]

I don't know what is going on with Drew, the boyfriend, but speaking as the mother of a murdered daughter...if I could have I would have avoided the press from day one. You are numb and hardly remember your name and then here comes the media asking you all kinds of questions. Someone in the family usually handles the media unless others want to be involved. Drew was a boyfriend. He spoke at first when he couldn't even think straight but might have decided that it was to hard to get in front of a camera and talk . It really isn't expected of boyfriends like it is a member of the deceased family. One of my children spoke and the other two didn't want to at all. I think it would be the same when you have a missing family member. I doubt that Drew is being kept from the public. He just may not want to talk.

I'm sorry for your loss and could understand wanting privacy during your time of mourning.

In this case, Holly is missing. The family still has hope she is alive. Her father still believes the entire town will celebrate when she will return to the community. Why is Drew not helping with putting up flyers or keeping her name out there? We have not seen him ever nor have we heard anything he has to say about her disappearance. He doesn't have to talk if he doesn't want to but stand by the family when balloons are released or when they did the trucker campaign. I find it very strange he has not participated in any of these events.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Was he able to describe the guy? Did he get a good look at him? He must not have recognized the guy or LE would have caught up to him by now. I wonder if it was normal for guys and gals to go for walks in the woods? I would guess that Clint wishes he had screamed her name, went after her to see what they were doing, anything that would have kept her from being taken, etc. I feel for the brother.

BBM

I have compassion for Clint too.

I’ve been trying to put myself in his shoes, or see through his eyes, so to speak.

On the morning of April 13th Clint did not witness an abduction of his sister. Clint saw/heard his sister in the garage speaking with her boyfriend. After talking on the telephone with his mom, Clint saw Holly and her boyfriend walk into the woods together.

Clint has stated, “By the time I realized she was abducted, it was too late.” (I’m paraphrasing.)

It sure would help to hear those 911 calls.

IMO, after Clint witnessed Holly outside with her boyfriend and then walk into the woods together, he was then told Holly is in trouble, that’s not Drew, etc.

I can’t imagine how Clint must feel. First, he was told who he thought he saw, was not who he saw (Drew). Then, he was told what he didn’t see, is what he saw (the abduction of Holly).

JMO

 

[~n/t~]

Yeah, I am not a big believer in the power of prayer, no offense to anyone who is. But if it worked so well, lots of kids and adults would have been brought home safely by now...

Anyway, I think LE "changed" the wording from being "dragged" to the "being led" to protect Clint, as people were freaking out that an adult brother could watch his sister being dragged away and do nothing other than call his mother. They dance around their words, saying she was being led, she was a victim, etc...but don't seem to have anything to back that up, other than the drops (or fleck, whatever) of blood. Why not just say what he saw, no matter who looks bad? Was she dragged, was she walking and chatting with, what happened??

It's interesting because IIRC, right after the wording was changed, LE came back to say nobody is ruled out in this case. I don't think LE changed the wording. I think CB keeps adjusting his version of what happened.

Even after his mom told him it was NOT Drew, he still thought the blood was turkey blood. It makes no sense.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Happy Labor Day
WEEKEND, FeLlOw SlEuThErS!!

:fireworks:

 

[~n/t~]

Happy Labor Day
WEEKEND, FeLlOw SlEuThErS!!

:fireworks:

It`s labour day up here also. I think this is the only holiday we share at the same time....well except for Christmas and Easter. :dance:

 

[tfrohning]

It really bothering me that Whintey will be on Survivor ????? Well I hope CBS will put Holly photo up after each show.

 

[Advocate1]

Well I sure am glad someone else is bothered by Whitney going on Survivor. I heard she left in May to start taping. Now don't get me wrong I think its a great oppurtunity for Whitney but I can't wrap my head around how in the world she could be in the right frame of mind to be off taping a reality show when her very "close as sisters" cousin has been kidnapped anf is actively missing. It is also my understanding that Whitney's mother Karen's sister has also not returned to work either. The families only focus is to bring Holly home.

It really bothering me that Whintey will be on Survivor ????? Well I hope CBS will put Holly photo up after each show.