TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #28

[wishuwerehere]

Its not nit picking but I think its reading too much into every little and often vague statement.

Yes Drew's grandmother was talking about the nite of Holly's abduction. But being together "at night" or spending time together does not mean Holly was at Drew's house.

There are enough statemnts from Karen to lead me to believe Holly was at home. Actually, to me, its obvious. But thats just me.

BBM

And to some people it's obvious that Clint had something to do with Holly's disappearance. That doesn't mean I believe it!

 

[Disgusted]

Does anyone know if the septic system(s) on the bobo property have been opened and searched by law enforcement? (assuming septic exists on the property, which based on the remote location seems probable.)

Also, does anyone know if the interior of the bobo home has been searched by law enforcement?

 

[shefner]

In an August 5th interview the following question was asked of CB:


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you see the turkey? Or there was no turkey.

C. BOBO: No, it was gone.


This has bothered me since I read it, he acts as though there really was a turkey. The interviewer had asked him about the "people kneeling" in the garage and he said that he thought it was D and H sitting talking over a turkey that Drew had hunted and killed. Even though he now knows the full story, he says "no, it was gone".

If you listen to the video, instead of reading the transcript, I think you will hear Clint say, "No, they was gone." Bad grammar....but definitely a southern way of speaking. I hear it every day.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Without dragging back through 5 months of articles and interviews, I think a number of things can be generally assumed to be true unless some obvious ACTUAL contradiction can be found.

Its been attributed to Karen in various written interviews that she 1) saw Holly that morning 2) spoke to Holly that morning, 3) Holly got up at 4:30 to study 4) Holly said she was optimistic about her exam, 5) Karen closed Clint's bedroom door (I assume so Holly didnt disturb him) etc. It seems obvious Holly was AT HOME. Plus in general conversations when someone is talking about a family member it seems natural just to say I talked to...

I don't think Holly was kidnapped at, say, 11:30 PM becuase the screams, dog barking, voices, people in the garage, 911 calls all are somewhere around 7:30 AM- 8:00 AM. If Holly had this big test (which she did) and Holly was studious (as everyone says) then why would she NOT be home?

Im not sure that trying to create an idea about what happened that does not fit what little evidence we do have is productive.

All I asked for was a reference for your statement that Karen Bobo "actually saw" Holly. No need to worry about creating an idea that is not productive. I can do that on my time. TIA.

 

[cluciano63]

I was wondering if Karen saw Drew that morning as well as Holly, or if she only spoke to Drew on the phone, and I don't think that has been made clear at all.

 

[shefner]

I was wondering if Karen saw Drew that morning as well as Holly, or if she only spoke to Drew on the phone, and I don't think that has been made clear at all.

I haven't seen any specifics about how Karen spoke to Drew the morning in question.

 

[JeannieC]

Does anyone know if the septic system(s) on the bobo property have been opened and searched by law enforcement? (assuming septic exists on the property, which based on the remote location seems probable.)

Also, does anyone know if the interior of the bobo home has been searched by law enforcement?

I am not aware of the Bobo house being searched.
Are you familiar with septic tanks? The only openings are the commodes, tubs, showers, and sinks via drainage pipes. In order to access the septic they would have to dig up the yard.

 

[SmoothOperator]

As was brought up by someone upthread the subject of how Karen Bobo knew for certain Drew could not have been/was not the man in camo that Clint had seen his sister with that morning of the 13th.. How I recalled it to happen was that she had already spoken with Drew that Morning.. In wanting to ensure that I was recalling the sequence of events correctly and not stating incorrect info I, too searched out MSM verified information to back up what it is that I recall to have happened regarding Karen knowing this info about Drew prior to talking to Clint or the neighbor(full quote along with link to the full article is posted at the bottom)

Several have asked do we know or is there clarification of what means of communication that Karen had with Drew the morning of the 13th.. I cannot find specific clarification stating that it was via a phone call rather than face to face in person conversation, but IMO I believe that is what it most likely alludes to in Karen's stating:

“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning."

[all quotes in this post are from one link posted at the bottom]

But as I said there is nothing clarifying that it was via phone convo or via face to face convo.. We just know that Karen had spoken with Drew at some point prior to Karen having any idea Holly's well fare was even at risk..

Karen having already spoken to Drew BEFORE the neighbor called the school(to alert Karen that they had heard screams from what they felt was the direction of the Bobo's residence).. And also BEFORE Karen spoke with her son, Clint via phone call while at the school(a little confusion as per this article it specifically states that Karen called Clint which is opposite of how we have been told many times before in that it was "Clint who called mom, Karen" for the purpose of either telling/or inquiring her about was Holly supposed to have been at school because he had seen her outside their home with Her boyfriend, Drew)

"She also called Clint at home.."

However the situation remains the same in that we know that at some point prior to Karen's being alerted to something possibly happening at home.. Karen had already spoken to Drew in those early morning hours of April 13th.. We do not know what was told her by Drew in that convo but can draw the logical conclusion that whatever it was that was told her it had to have been indicative that Drew absolutely would not or could not possibly be able to have been at the Bobo residence at that specific time that Clint told his mom that he had seen who he thought was Drew dressed all in camo and was last seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods of their back property.

She also called Clint at home. He came to realize the man he saw with Holly was not her boyfriend.

“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning. And of course Clint didn't know any of this, so I knew her boyfriend wasn't here,” Karen Bobo said.

IMO for Karen Bobo to have been so very assured that there was no way the person who Clint believed to have been Holly's boyfriend, Drew..was NOT DREW, and to without hesitation tell her son that it could not and was not Drew that he saw.. To me for a mother to make such a declarative statement.. Seemingly without a shadow of a doubt in her mind that what her very own son, Clint was telling her that he witnessed and who he witnessed to be with his sister just moments prior and that person was Drew.. IMO for Karen to have immediately stated that he was wrong and that it was not and could not be Drew that her son had just seen.. That tells me that whatever was the convo between Karen and Drew at some point prior to her learning that Holly was likely in grave danger.. Those statements made by Drew to Karen had to not only be believable.. But absolutely convincing That whatever and more importantly WHEREVER it was that Drew was relaying to Karen as to his immediate agenda and whereabouts as well as ATLEAST a specific amount of time assumed on Karen's part as to the length of time that Drew would be involved in this task at hand and in an area that was not within immediate range of the Bobo's home..

IMO this would have had to have been known for certain in order for Karen to immediately disregard her son's statement that he'd just seen Holly with Drew.. I am putting myself in her shoes as a mother who is talking to her adult son who is relaying info to me about his sister, my daughter and what my son just moments prior had witnessed himself and who he saw his sister alongside of was her boyfriend, Drew.. For me to immediately tell my son that He is wrong, that it was NOT Drew who he had just witnessed, he must be mistaken because Drew could not or would not have been there just moments prior.. For me to immediately without hesitation strike down my adult son's eye witness account of what he had only moments prior seen with his very own eyes.. For me to strike that down, disregard it 100%, and even tell him he is absolutely wrong and mistaken.. There would have to be something extremely concrete that I knew that Drew was elsewhere engaged in doing.. Therefor making it impossible for him to have not been at the Bobo residence.. Would not other mothers agree with me on that??*

And in that lies the question of what??? What on earth could it be that had Karen know with such certainty that she *immediately discounts her son's eyewitness acct and without hesitation then convinces her son that he is wrong and who he saw was NOT DREW..?? where would Drew have been that she would have known with such certainty that IT COULD NOT BE DREW that was at the Bobo residence???

Because you take into consideration the amount of time between Karen having talked to Drew.. And no one knows
For certain but likely it would have been prior to her beginning her work day at the school.. So we could be talking anywhere within that hour or possibly even longer, but a safe bet would be if she spoke to Clint a little before 8, and the neighbor a few mins prior to that, then I'd think it safe that to guesstimate that she could've talked to him on that 26 min commute from home to school btwn. 7:00-7:30am(again just a guesstimate).. So if she speaks to Clint a little before 8 IMO itd be safe to say it'd likely been around or atleast
30 mins since she'd spoken with Drew(again we never have had it clarified that the convo was via phone vs. Face to face).. So taking that into consideration the convo btwn mom and Drew could have been much earlier that morning.. But safe to say ATLEAST 30mins likely had passed since she'd spoken to Drew when she had her conversation with Clint where he tells her he has seen Holly with Drew right outside their home..

So if we know mom first speaks with Clint regarding Holly's well being just shy of 8am and likely her convo with Drew is ATLEAST 30mins prior to that time.. IMO that is more than enough of a lapse in time for anyone to travel within anywhere in Darden, including it's surrounding areas..jmo.. If even we narrow the window of time to say 15 mins between Karen's convo with Drew.. Her getting to the cafeteria, then her being alerted as to a call from the neighbor, to her finally speaking with Clint to hear his acct of what he'd just seen.. Even if you squeeze that time to just 15mins prior she had spoken with Drew that still is a sufficient lapse in time to have had Drew for whatever reasons have a change of
Plans and left where it was that he'd relayed to Karen that he was and headed to the Bobo's residence..

My point is that very easily something could have changed in the time that lapsed between Karen's having talked with Drew and obviously at that time learned his agenda and whereabouts(atleast to some extent).. And the time that she eventually speaks with her son, Clint and learns that according to him he, in the moments prior, had just seen Holly and whom he believed at that time to have been Her boyfriend, Drew right outside the back of their home..
IMO any way you look at it there has to be significant amount of time(enough to travel the short distances In and around Darden and the Bobo residence) to have lapsed from when Karen had spoken to Drew at some point earlier and prior to her learning of there being any threat whatsoever to Holly's well being.. And that due to there even being a small amount of time lapse that existed between the conversations, regardless it was still a window of time that could have very easily allowed any type of change in plans, whether a predetermined change of plans or a spur of the moment change in plans, either way time lapsed allowed for this change of plans to have occurred and have been possible IMO..

So, in knowing this and recognizing that easily something could have changed from the time Karen last spoke to Drew.. I ask myself the question what would make Karen certain this wasn't a possibility(and not ONLY certain at this particular moment with the flood of emotions of everything happening all at once.. But a continued certainty in still seeming to believe with absolute certainty that IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN Drew at their house at the time when Clint believed who he saw with Holly walking towards the woods was Drew)
What could have been told her by Drew, himself in that last convo prior to Holly's disappearance that would be so concrete in Karen's mind that it could not have been Drew at the Bobo home that morning?? Even when her own son states that he saw Holly alongside who he believed to be her boyfriend, Drew??*

In trying to think on what some of those possibilities would be what first comes to mind is that if Karen knew for certain that Drew was in a location that given the amount of time available that morning that it would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for him to have traveled that distance..Another is that Karen knew Drew's exact location due one of a couple ways..she possibly was his ride that morning taking him to where it was she knew that he was(or possibly Dana was his transportation that day).. Either way Maybe she knew first hand he did not have available to him any means of transportation to have been able to get to the Bobo residence at the specific time that Clint states that he saw Holly and who he believed to have been Drew..
Those are a few of the reasons that I came up with off the top of my head as to how or why would Karen have been so very certain that it was not&could not have been possible for it to have been Drew that Clint thought he had seen with Holly..

Anyone who has other ideas of what would constitute for Karen's certainty in immediately discounting her own son's eyewitness account of who he'd seen Holly with during that specific period of time.. Please don't hesitate to point out&post.. My intention is not to prove that Karen was wrong in her without a doubt holding steadfast to it not even being a possibility that it was Drew that her son saw that morning.. But rather to help possibly discern what it is that would have immediately made her so dog gone certain, without even a shadow of a doubt that her son was absolutely 100% mistaken in who he believed that he'd seen with his sister the morning of her disappearance..*
Because as I said earlier for me as a mother to right off the bat, immediately upon my adult son telling me what he had just only moments prior to speaking with me.. That he'd seen my daughter&her boyfriend.. For me to immediately&without hesitation tell him that he was mistaken, he was wrong, and that he did NOT see what he just stated that he'd seen.. For me as his mother to question something of such a dire of serious importance that my son was telling me.. It would have to be with very good, but most importantly with very concrete substance of knowledge that would make it IMPOSSIBLE..therefor meaning my son was
Infact WRONG/MISTAKEN. *
And in my personal opinion my daughter's boyfriend telling me in a convo at some point earlier that morning what his agenda and whereabouts were for that day and time.. His mere word alone in a convo to me would not constitute the type of concrete evidence that I personally would have to have in order for me to immediately discount my own son's eyewitness acct..jmo, tho!

Here is the quote in it's full context of which I have quoted different portions of throughout my post.. Along with the link to the full 2 page article as well:

Clint Bobo said he assumed it was Holly’s boyfriend, since he is known to go turkey hunting.

“At the time, I just seen the two walking toward the woods. He wasn't leading her, he wasn't dragging her. They were walking simultaneously toward the woods. And then later come to find out she had been threatened. I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will,” he said.

A neighbor had apparently heard screams coming from the house and alerted the school where Karen Bobo works.

“Motherly instinct. I knew something was wrong as soon as the secretary came to the cafeteria and told me,” she said.

Four 911 calls were made: one from the school, one from the neighbor, and two from Karen Bobo herself.

She also called Clint at home. He came to realize the man he saw with Holly was not her boyfriend.

“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning. And of course Clint didn't know any of this, so I knew her boyfriend wasn't here,” Karen Bobo said.

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly...ay-she-vanished-20110722,0,3902086,full.story

Would be interested to hear what others thoughts are on what it was that was told Karen in her last convo with Drew at some Point in those early morning hours of April 13th..This convo occurring Prior to her learning of Holly's possibly being in danger.. What could it have been that Drew relayed to Karen that made her IMMEDIATELY and without hesitation upon her son telling her that he had just seen Holly with Drew.. Karen's immediate reaction was that her son was mistaken, was wrong and that she knew for certain that it could not and wAs not Drew that Clint had seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods..

What could constitute that amount of certainty that it was NOT Drew?

TIA to any who think of some other possibilities because I am and have been totally perplexed by this for months.. :doh:

**sorry for the extremely lengthy post.. Can you tell that I really and truly wonder what could make a mom so certain about a teenage boyfriend's whereabouts??!?:crazy:

 

[Advocate1]

How do ya'll think TBI determined that Holly was in "fear for her life?"

IF the second account that TBI released is to be believed and Clint witnessed Holly walking towards the woods with the man in camo and no outward sign of her resistanting him then how was it determined she was 1. ABDUCTED 2. In "fear for her life" and complying with his demands?

TBI Director Mark Gwynn said that the small amount of blood found was determined to not be a life threatening amount and Clint said that they were walking together but he was not touching her at all which contradicts TBI's claim that they "believe" he was holding her arm but not in a forceful manner.
Why would TBI use the term we "believe" he had ahold of her by the arm?
They have a eyewitness I would think they either confirm or deny it depending on investigative evidence.

I am not clear how it was determined that Holly was even abducted really.
I also find it weird how initially it said she was "possibly' abducted in a home invasion.
Was that just a media precaution?

http://www.wmctv.com/story/14468975...for-holly-bobo-continues?clienttype=printable

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=...jAJOAo&usg=AFQjCNGMazgxrJCc7Ly9XgDUaEbbCIZmxQ

 

[sumzero]

What could constitute that amount of certainty that it was NOT Drew?

TIA to any who think of some other possibilities because I am and have been totally perplexed by this for months.. :doh:

**sorry for the extremely lengthy post.. Can you tell that I really and truly wonder what could make a mom so certain about a teenage boyfriend's whereabouts??!?:crazy:

Had she called Drew at his place of employment, maybe?

 

[Plumeria5]

Had she called Drew at his place of employment, maybe?

That is what I brought up earlier. Was he stocking groceries on an early shift at the grocery store?

 

[Advocate1]

I have been stumped on this too. When I was younger my Mom and I are very close and I told her everything. I also had a steady bf when I was 20 and he was real close with the family. What if Holly and Karen were talking that morning about her test and her plans for the day when Holly mentioned what Drew was doing for the day also. Work or hunting whatever. So Karen gets a call from the neighbor at work saying there was scream(s) heard from the direction of her house. Now as a Mom I am a worrier and I would immedietly think something wasn't right. I mean the neighbor was concerned enough to call her work obviously. So Karen knows where Drew is suppose to be and Holly should of been at schopl already. I think she had eliminated Drew solely because of her knowing those things and assuming there was not reason in her mind that Drew would harm Holly or cause her to scream. So when Clint said she was outside with Drew she immedietly knew it wasn't Drew because of what she knew and part what she assumed in rationalizing it in her head. Idk but I think that is how I would also think.

As was brought up by someone upthread the subject of how Karen Bobo knew for certain Drew could not have been/was not the man in camo that Clint had seen his sister with that morning of the 13th.. How I recalled it to happen was that she had already spoken with Drew that Morning.. In wanting to ensure that I was recalling the sequence of events correctly and not stating incorrect info I, too searched out MSM verified information to back up what it is that I recall to have happened regarding Karen knowing this info about Drew prior to talking to Clint or the neighbor(full quote along with link to the full article is posted at the bottom)

Several have asked do we know or is there clarification of what means of communication that Karen had with Drew the morning of the 13th.. I cannot find specific clarification stating that it was via a phone call rather than face to face in person conversation, but IMO I believe that is what it most likely alludes to in Karen's stating:

[all quotes in this post are from one link posted at the bottom]

But as I said there is nothing clarifying that it was via phone convo or via face to face convo.. We just know that Karen had spoken with Drew at some point prior to Karen having any idea Holly's well fare was even at risk..

Karen having already spoken to Drew BEFORE the neighbor called the school(to alert Karen that they had heard screams from what they felt was the direction of the Bobo's residence).. And also BEFORE Karen spoke with her son, Clint via phone call while at the school(a little confusion as per this article it specifically states that Karen called Clint which is opposite of how we have been told many times before in that it was "Clint who called mom, Karen" for the purpose of either telling/or inquiring her about was Holly supposed to have been at school because he had seen her outside their home with Her boyfriend, Drew)


However the situation remains the same in that we know that at some point prior to Karen's being alerted to something possibly happening at home.. Karen had already spoken to Drew in those early morning hours of April 13th.. We do not know what was told her by Drew in that convo but can draw the logical conclusion that whatever it was that was told her it had to have been indicative that Drew absolutely would not or could not possibly be able to have been at the Bobo residence at that specific time that Clint told his mom that he had seen who he thought was Drew dressed all in camo and was last seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods of their back property.


IMO for Karen Bobo to have been so very assured that there was no way the person who Clint believed to have been Holly's boyfriend, Drew..was NOT DREW, and to without hesitation tell her son that it could not and was not Drew that he saw.. To me for a mother to make such a declarative statement.. Seemingly without a shadow of a doubt in her mind that what her very own son, Clint was telling her that he witnessed and who he witnessed to be with his sister just moments prior and that person was Drew.. IMO for Karen to have immediately stated that he was wrong and that it was not and could not be Drew that her son had just seen.. That tells me that whatever was the convo between Karen and Drew at some point prior to her learning that Holly was likely in grave danger.. Those statements made by Drew to Karen had to not only be believable.. But absolutely convincing That whatever and more importantly WHEREVER it was that Drew was relaying to Karen as to his immediate agenda and whereabouts as well as ATLEAST a specific amount of time assumed on Karen's part as to the length of time that Drew would be involved in this task at hand and in an area that was not within immediate range of the Bobo's home..

IMO this would have had to have been known for certain in order for Karen to immediately disregard her son's statement that he'd just seen Holly with Drew.. I am putting myself in her shoes as a mother who is talking to her adult son who is relaying info to me about his sister, my daughter and what my son just moments prior had witnessed himself and who he saw his sister alongside of was her boyfriend, Drew.. For me to immediately tell my son that He is wrong, that it was NOT Drew who he had just witnessed, he must be mistaken because Drew could not or would not have been there just moments prior.. For me to immediately without hesitation strike down my adult son's eye witness account of what he had only moments prior seen with his very own eyes.. For me to strike that down, disregard it 100%, and even tell him he is absolutely wrong and mistaken.. There would have to be something extremely concrete that I knew that Drew was elsewhere engaged in doing.. Therefor making it impossible for him to have not been at the Bobo residence.. Would not other mothers agree with me on that??*

And in that lies the question of what??? What on earth could it be that had Karen know with such certainty that she *immediately discounts her son's eyewitness acct and without hesitation then convinces her son that he is wrong and who he saw was NOT DREW..?? where would Drew have been that she would have known with such certainty that IT COULD NOT BE DREW that was at the Bobo residence???

Because you take into consideration the amount of time between Karen having talked to Drew.. And no one knows
For certain but likely it would have been prior to her beginning her work day at the school.. So we could be talking anywhere within that hour or possibly even longer, but a safe bet would be if she spoke to Clint a little before 8, and the neighbor a few mins prior to that, then I'd think it safe that to guesstimate that she could've talked to him on that 26 min commute from home to school btwn. 7:00-7:30am(again just a guesstimate).. So if she speaks to Clint a little before 8 IMO itd be safe to say it'd likely been around or atleast
30 mins since she'd spoken with Drew(again we never have had it clarified that the convo was via phone vs. Face to face).. So taking that into consideration the convo btwn mom and Drew could have been much earlier that morning.. But safe to say ATLEAST 30mins likely had passed since she'd spoken to Drew when she had her conversation with Clint where he tells her he has seen Holly with Drew right outside their home..

So if we know mom first speaks with Clint regarding Holly's well being just shy of 8am and likely her convo with Drew is ATLEAST 30mins prior to that time.. IMO that is more than enough of a lapse in time for anyone to travel within anywhere in Darden, including it's surrounding areas..jmo.. If even we narrow the window of time to say 15 mins between Karen's convo with Drew.. Her getting to the cafeteria, then her being alerted as to a call from the neighbor, to her finally speaking with Clint to hear his acct of what he'd just seen.. Even if you squeeze that time to just 15mins prior she had spoken with Drew that still is a sufficient lapse in time to have had Drew for whatever reasons have a change of
Plans and left where it was that he'd relayed to Karen that he was and headed to the Bobo's residence..

My point is that very easily something could have changed in the time that lapsed between Karen's having talked with Drew and obviously at that time learned his agenda and whereabouts(atleast to some extent).. And the time that she eventually speaks with her son, Clint and learns that according to him he, in the moments prior, had just seen Holly and whom he believed at that time to have been Her boyfriend, Drew right outside the back of their home..
IMO any way you look at it there has to be significant amount of time(enough to travel the short distances In and around Darden and the Bobo residence) to have lapsed from when Karen had spoken to Drew at some point earlier and prior to her learning of there being any threat whatsoever to Holly's well being.. And that due to there even being a small amount of time lapse that existed between the conversations, regardless it was still a window of time that could have very easily allowed any type of change in plans, whether a predetermined change of plans or a spur of the moment change in plans, either way time lapsed allowed for this change of plans to have occurred and have been possible IMO..

So, in knowing this and recognizing that easily something could have changed from the time Karen last spoke to Drew.. I ask myself the question what would make Karen certain this wasn't a possibility(and not ONLY certain at this particular moment with the flood of emotions of everything happening all at once.. But a continued certainty in still seeming to believe with absolute certainty that IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN Drew at their house at the time when Clint believed who he saw with Holly walking towards the woods was Drew)
What could have been told her by Drew, himself in that last convo prior to Holly's disappearance that would be so concrete in Karen's mind that it could not have been Drew at the Bobo home that morning?? Even when her own son states that he saw Holly alongside who he believed to be her boyfriend, Drew??*

In trying to think on what some of those possibilities would be what first comes to mind is that if Karen knew for certain that Drew was in a location that given the amount of time available that morning that it would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for him to have traveled that distance..Another is that Karen knew Drew's exact location due one of a couple ways..she possibly was his ride that morning taking him to where it was she knew that he was(or possibly Dana was his transportation that day).. Either way Maybe she knew first hand he did not have available to him any means of transportation to have been able to get to the Bobo residence at the specific time that Clint states that he saw Holly and who he believed to have been Drew..
Those are a few of the reasons that I came up with off the top of my head as to how or why would Karen have been so very certain that it was not&could not have been possible for it to have been Drew that Clint thought he had seen with Holly..

Anyone who has other ideas of what would constitute for Karen's certainty in immediately discounting her own son's eyewitness account of who he'd seen Holly with during that specific period of time.. Please don't hesitate to point out&post.. My intention is not to prove that Karen was wrong in her without a doubt holding steadfast to it not even being a possibility that it was Drew that her son saw that morning.. But rather to help possibly discern what it is that would have immediately made her so dog gone certain, without even a shadow of a doubt that her son was absolutely 100% mistaken in who he believed that he'd seen with his sister the morning of her disappearance..*
Because as I said earlier for me as a mother to right off the bat, immediately upon my adult son telling me what he had just only moments prior to speaking with me.. That he'd seen my daughter&her boyfriend.. For me to immediately&without hesitation tell him that he was mistaken, he was wrong, and that he did NOT see what he just stated that he'd seen.. For me as his mother to question something of such a dire of serious importance that my son was telling me.. It would have to be with very good, but most importantly with very concrete substance of knowledge that would make it IMPOSSIBLE..therefor meaning my son was
Infact WRONG/MISTAKEN. *
And in my personal opinion my daughter's boyfriend telling me in a convo at some point earlier that morning what his agenda and whereabouts were for that day and time.. His mere word alone in a convo to me would not constitute the type of concrete evidence that I personally would have to have in order for me to immediately discount my own son's eyewitness acct..jmo, tho!

Here is the quote in it's full context of which I have quoted different portions of throughout my post.. Along with the link to the full 2 page article as well:

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly...ay-she-vanished-20110722,0,3902086,full.story

Would be interested to hear what others thoughts are on what it was that was told Karen in her last convo with Drew at some Point in those early morning hours of April 13th..This convo occurring Prior to her learning of Holly's possibly being in danger.. What could it have been that Drew relayed to Karen that made her IMMEDIATELY and without hesitation upon her son telling her that he had just seen Holly with Drew.. Karen's immediate reaction was that her son was mistaken, was wrong and that she knew for certain that it could not and wAs not Drew that Clint had seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods..

What could constitute that amount of certainty that it was NOT Drew?

TIA to any who think of some other possibilities because I am and have been totally perplexed by this for months.. :doh:

**sorry for the extremely lengthy post.. Can you tell that I really and truly wonder what could make a mom so certain about a teenage boyfriend's whereabouts??!?:crazy:

 

[cluciano63]

How do ya'll think TBI determined that Holly was in "fear for her life?"

IF the second account that TBI released is to be believed and Clint witnessed Holly walking towards the woods with the man in camo and no outward sign of her resistanting him then how was it determined she was 1. ABDUCTED 2. In "fear for her life" and complying with his demands?

TBI Director Mark Gwynn said that the small amount of blood found was determined to not be a life threatening amount and Clint said that they were walking together but he was not touching her at all which contradicts TBI's claim that they "believe" he was holding her arm but not in a forceful manner.
Why would TBI use the term we "believe" he had ahold of her by the arm?
They have a eyewitness I would think they either confirm or deny it depending on investigative evidence.

I am not clear how it was determined that Holly was even abducted really.
I also find it weird how initially it said she was "possibly' abducted in a home invasion.
Was that just a media precaution?

http://www.wmctv.com/story/14468975...for-holly-bobo-continues?clienttype=printable

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=...jAJOAo&usg=AFQjCNGMazgxrJCc7Ly9XgDUaEbbCIZmxQ

I kind of thought LE was trying to justify Clint not doing anything (except talk to his mother) when Holly was walking into the woods, by saying she was being threatened...maybe she was, but the description does not match that, so it comes off as sounding odd from LE once they dropped the "dragged."

 

[SmoothOperator]

“At the time, I just seen the two walking toward the woods. He wasn't leading her, he wasn't dragging her. They were walking simultaneously toward the woods. And then later come to find out she had been threatened. I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will,” he said.

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-...086,full.story

And from the same article in my previous post I snipped the ^above^ portion that I found to be odd to say the least.. Does anyone else see what I am talking about?

Clint goes into his acct of last seeing his sister and makes certain to include that he did NOT see her being dragged, NOR was she even being led.. But rather the two of them were "walking simultaneously toward the woods".. <- the "walking simultaneously" is an odd statement, too IMO.. But what he says next really struck me as odd..

.."And*then later come to find out she had been threatened. I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will,”

This, as are many in the article IS A DIRECT QUOTE OF CLINT BOBO..*

Immediately after he makes the statement ensuring to include that Holly was NOT dragged.. And was NOT even being led into the woods.. But that rather the "two of them were walking simultaneously toward the woods".. Immediately after that statement he follows it by saying,.."And then later come to find out she had been threatened. I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will,” *.. What does he mean *in saying as if it's an afterthought,"and then later".. Come to find out she had been threatened..????!! WTH?? How did they come upon this knowledge that she was actually threatened by the man in camo?? It says they later find this out that she was threatened.. What was the threat and how did they learn about it??
Moving into what he closes his thought with, " I mean she definitely went into the woods against her will.". Seems as tho he is attempting to reword his initial statement of "come to find out she had been threatened".. Almost as if he's wanting to scratch/omit those words and replace them with.. "I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will."..

Tho in reality what he leads off the statement with, the making certain to clarify that Holly was not dragged into the woods.. And that Holly was not even being led by the arm into the woods.. Then stating that actually Holly and the man in camo were walking of their own free will, with no signs of distress whatsoever, "simultaneously" towards the woods..

So the very statement that he made so certain to make very clear and to state that there was zero force used in any way whatsoever and that actually they were showing zero signs of stress of any type, walking of their own free will, completely unguided and without having been led in any way leisurely walking and making their way towards the woods..

That very statement ensuring that it is clearly understood that Holly in no way looked, acted, or seemed to be in distress.. But In his very next statement that followed he completely relays the exact and polar opposite of what he has just stated?!?!! That she was going into the woods against her will and that it was learned that she had been threatened about going into those woods and she did so completely against her wiil..

Does anyone else read this as I do and that the comment seems very strange, nonsensical, and IMO most likely there is
Much or ATLEAST some portion of the statement that is not the honest truth..this only further indicating that it's possibly not a true nor accurate acct of what happened that morning..

I'll lastly say this in clarifying that I am not pointing a finger at Clint but rather looking at It from the point of view that it is not Clint who wishes to deceive or lie with his statements but rather it is due to the open and active case and likely at LE's request that they want certain info and details NOT KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC .. but who really And truly knows the why, the when, the where, and the who..
*But I do know for certain there definitely are some odd and strange statements, behaviors, etc.. Jmo, tho!

 

[Darcyline]

SmoothOperator-I don't think those comments are necessarily polar opposites. He glanced out a window and saw them walking into the woods. Holly was not in any immediate visible danger. Then, he learns of the blood and the fact that it wasn't Drew and also the fact that she is obviously missing and now thinks it is obvious that Holly was threatened and didn't go into the woods willingly. Free will, to me, doesn't have to be taken away with physical force or being led. Against her will could just mean she was scared into it. Nothing changed visually, but the information he had did change-that Holly's blood spilled and...well, that she hasn't come back yet.

 

[Advocate1]

I had considered that also but it doesn't really help much. IMO
See LE had to have "reasonable knowledge" that she was in danger of serious bodily harm and/or death to be able to put out the amber alert.

http://www.amberalert.gov/guidelines.htm

LE never stated if Clint interviened when the story broke. I guess that made people just jump to conclusions and assume he just stood and watched. Even if that is what happened. And and he froze up and let them get away that would be very hard for him to come to terms with and live with but it is not a crime.

The accounts are polar opposites and IMO couldn't be misunderstood.
Do you think LE needed to get the amber alert out so they just "added" what they "believe" could of happened and how THEY believe Holly felt??

Doesn't jive with me at all.

You also have to have enough of a description of the suspect to warrant the amber alert useful. That's in the criteria. I am not thinking a man in camo with no mention of face, hair, hat, shoes, nothing. Hmmm turkey hunting... Camo Men everywhere.

I kind of thought LE was trying to justify Clint not doing anything (except talk to his mother) when Holly was walking into the woods, by saying she was being threatened...maybe she was,hard for him to deal with but it isn't a crime. but the description does not match that, so it comes off as sounding odd from LE once they dropped the "dragged."

 

[katydid23]

As was brought up by someone upthread the subject of how Karen Bobo knew for certain Drew could not have been/was not the man in camo that Clint had seen his sister with that morning of the 13th.. How I recalled it to happen was that she had already spoken with Drew that Morning.. In wanting to ensure that I was recalling the sequence of events correctly and not stating incorrect info I, too searched out MSM verified information to back up what it is that I recall to have happened regarding Karen knowing this info about Drew prior to talking to Clint or the neighbor(full quote along with link to the full article is posted at the bottom)

Several have asked do we know or is there clarification of what means of communication that Karen had with Drew the morning of the 13th.. I cannot find specific clarification stating that it was via a phone call rather than face to face in person conversation, but IMO I believe that is what it most likely alludes to in Karen's stating:

[all quotes in this post are from one link posted at the bottom]

But as I said there is nothing clarifying that it was via phone convo or via face to face convo.. We just know that Karen had spoken with Drew at some point prior to Karen having any idea Holly's well fare was even at risk..

Karen having already spoken to Drew BEFORE the neighbor called the school(to alert Karen that they had heard screams from what they felt was the direction of the Bobo's residence).. And also BEFORE Karen spoke with her son, Clint via phone call while at the school(a little confusion as per this article it specifically states that Karen called Clint which is opposite of how we have been told many times before in that it was "Clint who called mom, Karen" for the purpose of either telling/or inquiring her about was Holly supposed to have been at school because he had seen her outside their home with Her boyfriend, Drew)


However the situation remains the same in that we know that at some point prior to Karen's being alerted to something possibly happening at home.. Karen had already spoken to Drew in those early morning hours of April 13th.. We do not know what was told her by Drew in that convo but can draw the logical conclusion that whatever it was that was told her it had to have been indicative that Drew absolutely would not or could not possibly be able to have been at the Bobo residence at that specific time that Clint told his mom that he had seen who he thought was Drew dressed all in camo and was last seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods of their back property.


IMO for Karen Bobo to have been so very assured that there was no way the person who Clint believed to have been Holly's boyfriend, Drew..was NOT DREW, and to without hesitation tell her son that it could not and was not Drew that he saw.. To me for a mother to make such a declarative statement.. Seemingly without a shadow of a doubt in her mind that what her very own son, Clint was telling her that he witnessed and who he witnessed to be with his sister just moments prior and that person was Drew.. IMO for Karen to have immediately stated that he was wrong and that it was not and could not be Drew that her son had just seen.. That tells me that whatever was the convo between Karen and Drew at some point prior to her learning that Holly was likely in grave danger.. Those statements made by Drew to Karen had to not only be believable.. But absolutely convincing That whatever and more importantly WHEREVER it was that Drew was relaying to Karen as to his immediate agenda and whereabouts as well as ATLEAST a specific amount of time assumed on Karen's part as to the length of time that Drew would be involved in this task at hand and in an area that was not within immediate range of the Bobo's home..

IMO this would have had to have been known for certain in order for Karen to immediately disregard her son's statement that he'd just seen Holly with Drew.. I am putting myself in her shoes as a mother who is talking to her adult son who is relaying info to me about his sister, my daughter and what my son just moments prior had witnessed himself and who he saw his sister alongside of was her boyfriend, Drew.. For me to immediately tell my son that He is wrong, that it was NOT Drew who he had just witnessed, he must be mistaken because Drew could not or would not have been there just moments prior.. For me to immediately without hesitation strike down my adult son's eye witness account of what he had only moments prior seen with his very own eyes.. For me to strike that down, disregard it 100%, and even tell him he is absolutely wrong and mistaken.. There would have to be something extremely concrete that I knew that Drew was elsewhere engaged in doing.. Therefor making it impossible for him to have not been at the Bobo residence.. Would not other mothers agree with me on that??*

And in that lies the question of what??? What on earth could it be that had Karen know with such certainty that she *immediately discounts her son's eyewitness acct and without hesitation then convinces her son that he is wrong and who he saw was NOT DREW..?? where would Drew have been that she would have known with such certainty that IT COULD NOT BE DREW that was at the Bobo residence???

Because you take into consideration the amount of time between Karen having talked to Drew.. And no one knows
For certain but likely it would have been prior to her beginning her work day at the school.. So we could be talking anywhere within that hour or possibly even longer, but a safe bet would be if she spoke to Clint a little before 8, and the neighbor a few mins prior to that, then I'd think it safe that to guesstimate that she could've talked to him on that 26 min commute from home to school btwn. 7:00-7:30am(again just a guesstimate).. So if she speaks to Clint a little before 8 IMO itd be safe to say it'd likely been around or atleast
30 mins since she'd spoken with Drew(again we never have had it clarified that the convo was via phone vs. Face to face).. So taking that into consideration the convo btwn mom and Drew could have been much earlier that morning.. But safe to say ATLEAST 30mins likely had passed since she'd spoken to Drew when she had her conversation with Clint where he tells her he has seen Holly with Drew right outside their home..

So if we know mom first speaks with Clint regarding Holly's well being just shy of 8am and likely her convo with Drew is ATLEAST 30mins prior to that time.. IMO that is more than enough of a lapse in time for anyone to travel within anywhere in Darden, including it's surrounding areas..jmo.. If even we narrow the window of time to say 15 mins between Karen's convo with Drew.. Her getting to the cafeteria, then her being alerted as to a call from the neighbor, to her finally speaking with Clint to hear his acct of what he'd just seen.. Even if you squeeze that time to just 15mins prior she had spoken with Drew that still is a sufficient lapse in time to have had Drew for whatever reasons have a change of
Plans and left where it was that he'd relayed to Karen that he was and headed to the Bobo's residence..

My point is that very easily something could have changed in the time that lapsed between Karen's having talked with Drew and obviously at that time learned his agenda and whereabouts(atleast to some extent).. And the time that she eventually speaks with her son, Clint and learns that according to him he, in the moments prior, had just seen Holly and whom he believed at that time to have been Her boyfriend, Drew right outside the back of their home..
IMO any way you look at it there has to be significant amount of time(enough to travel the short distances In and around Darden and the Bobo residence) to have lapsed from when Karen had spoken to Drew at some point earlier and prior to her learning of there being any threat whatsoever to Holly's well being.. And that due to there even being a small amount of time lapse that existed between the conversations, regardless it was still a window of time that could have very easily allowed any type of change in plans, whether a predetermined change of plans or a spur of the moment change in plans, either way time lapsed allowed for this change of plans to have occurred and have been possible IMO..

So, in knowing this and recognizing that easily something could have changed from the time Karen last spoke to Drew.. I ask myself the question what would make Karen certain this wasn't a possibility(and not ONLY certain at this particular moment with the flood of emotions of everything happening all at once.. But a continued certainty in still seeming to believe with absolute certainty that IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN Drew at their house at the time when Clint believed who he saw with Holly walking towards the woods was Drew)
What could have been told her by Drew, himself in that last convo prior to Holly's disappearance that would be so concrete in Karen's mind that it could not have been Drew at the Bobo home that morning?? Even when her own son states that he saw Holly alongside who he believed to be her boyfriend, Drew??*

In trying to think on what some of those possibilities would be what first comes to mind is that if Karen knew for certain that Drew was in a location that given the amount of time available that morning that it would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for him to have traveled that distance..Another is that Karen knew Drew's exact location due one of a couple ways..she possibly was his ride that morning taking him to where it was she knew that he was(or possibly Dana was his transportation that day).. Either way Maybe she knew first hand he did not have available to him any means of transportation to have been able to get to the Bobo residence at the specific time that Clint states that he saw Holly and who he believed to have been Drew..
Those are a few of the reasons that I came up with off the top of my head as to how or why would Karen have been so very certain that it was not&could not have been possible for it to have been Drew that Clint thought he had seen with Holly..

Anyone who has other ideas of what would constitute for Karen's certainty in immediately discounting her own son's eyewitness account of who he'd seen Holly with during that specific period of time.. Please don't hesitate to point out&post.. My intention is not to prove that Karen was wrong in her without a doubt holding steadfast to it not even being a possibility that it was Drew that her son saw that morning.. But rather to help possibly discern what it is that would have immediately made her so dog gone certain, without even a shadow of a doubt that her son was absolutely 100% mistaken in who he believed that he'd seen with his sister the morning of her disappearance..*
Because as I said earlier for me as a mother to right off the bat, immediately upon my adult son telling me what he had just only moments prior to speaking with me.. That he'd seen my daughter&her boyfriend.. For me to immediately&without hesitation tell him that he was mistaken, he was wrong, and that he did NOT see what he just stated that he'd seen.. For me as his mother to question something of such a dire of serious importance that my son was telling me.. It would have to be with very good, but most importantly with very concrete substance of knowledge that would make it IMPOSSIBLE..therefor meaning my son was
Infact WRONG/MISTAKEN. *
And in my personal opinion my daughter's boyfriend telling me in a convo at some point earlier that morning what his agenda and whereabouts were for that day and time.. His mere word alone in a convo to me would not constitute the type of concrete evidence that I personally would have to have in order for me to immediately discount my own son's eyewitness acct..jmo, tho!

Here is the quote in it's full context of which I have quoted different portions of throughout my post.. Along with the link to the full 2 page article as well:

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly...ay-she-vanished-20110722,0,3902086,full.story

Would be interested to hear what others thoughts are on what it was that was told Karen in her last convo with Drew at some Point in those early morning hours of April 13th..This convo occurring Prior to her learning of Holly's possibly being in danger.. What could it have been that Drew relayed to Karen that made her IMMEDIATELY and without hesitation upon her son telling her that he had just seen Holly with Drew.. Karen's immediate reaction was that her son was mistaken, was wrong and that she knew for certain that it could not and wAs not Drew that Clint had seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods..

What could constitute that amount of certainty that it was NOT Drew?

TIA to any who think of some other possibilities because I am and have been totally perplexed by this for months.. :doh:

**sorry for the extremely lengthy post.. Can you tell that I really and truly wonder what could make a mom so certain about a teenage boyfriend's whereabouts??!?:crazy:

Apparently he worked in the meat department of his fathers grocery store. I used to work in a grocery store, and the guys in meat and produce had to be at work really early to set up the stations. I can imagine that he might have been at work by 7 or so.

But what I don't understand is why he would be talking to Holly's mom that early. I talk to my son's girlfriend by cell or text, but usually only about him or our plans with them for doing something. Maybe Holiday stuff or birthdays etc. But what business would they have on the phone @ 7:30 in the morning?

eta: I sometimes call my son's gf to order something from the store she works in. Maybe she called drew to order meat from the store?

 

[cluciano63]

I had considered that also but it doesn't really help much. IMO
See LE had to have "reasonable knowledge" that she was in danger of serious bodily harm and/or death to be able to put out the amber alert.

http://www.amberalert.gov/guidelines.htm

LE never stated if Clint interviened when the story broke. I guess that made people just jump to conclusions and assume he just stood and watched. Even if that is what happened. And and he froze up and let them get away that would be very hard for him to come to terms with and live with but it is not a crime.

The accounts are polar opposites and IMO couldn't be misunderstood.
Do you think LE needed to get the amber alert out so they just "added" what they "believe" could of happened and how THEY believe Holly felt??

Doesn't jive with me at all.

You also have to have enough of a description of the suspect to warrant the amber alert useful. That's in the criteria. I am not thinking a man in camo with no mention of face, hair, hat, shoes, nothing. Hmmm turkey hunting... Camo Men everywhere.

I think I remember a lot of the initial media asking why Clint didn't follow her or do something, if she was being "dragged" into the woods by a man. And that is when I believe it became, she was walked into the woods, sometimes "led" into the woods and then walking along side him in fear for her life, or something like that. And that is when LE said the infamous "it is not as it seems" or words to that effect. So I think they were saying while she wasn't dragged, as was initially reported, that there was reason to believe she was being threatened (perhaps for the Amber Alert, although I am not sure it was an official one?) but I got the impression that they were trying to say that while Clint couldn't tell she was being forced, they concluded she must have been. And besides, we know Clint didn't think she was in danger, because he still thought it was Drew she was walking with, didn't he? What a confusing mess of words and phrases...

I wish I had confidence that LE knows a whole lot and is close to a conclusion in this case, but from her family's recents words I do not get that impression at all. I don't think they mean to add to the confusion, I blame the reporters and/or TV hosts asking questions badly and then not waiting for answers, instead they feed them something else and the original question gets lost.

 

[Frogzilla]

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-...086,full.story

And from the same article in my previous post I snipped the ^above^ portion that I found to be odd to say the least.. Does anyone else see what I am talking about?

Clint goes into his acct of last seeing his sister and makes certain to include that he did NOT see her being dragged, NOR was she even being led.. But rather the two of them were "walking simultaneously toward the woods".. <- the "walking simultaneously" is an odd statement, too IMO.. But what he says next really struck me as odd..

This, as are many in the article IS A DIRECT QUOTE OF CLINT BOBO..*

Immediately after he makes the statement ensuring to include that Holly was NOT dragged.. And was NOT even being led into the woods.. But that rather the "two of them were walking simultaneously toward the woods".. Immediately after that statement he follows it by saying,.."And then later come to find out she had been threatened. I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will,” *.. What does he mean *in saying as if it's an afterthought,"and then later".. Come to find out she had been threatened..????!! WTH?? How did they come upon this knowledge that she was actually threatened by the man in camo?? It says they later find this out that she was threatened.. What was the threat and how did they learn about it??
Moving into what he closes his thought with, " I mean she definitely went into the woods against her will.". Seems as tho he is attempting to reword his initial statement of "come to find out she had been threatened".. Almost as if he's wanting to scratch/omit those words and replace them with.. "I mean, she definitely went into the woods against her will."..

Tho in reality what he leads off the statement with, the making certain to clarify that Holly was not dragged into the woods.. And that Holly was not even being led by the arm into the woods.. Then stating that actually Holly and the man in camo were walking of their own free will, with no signs of distress whatsoever, "simultaneously" towards the woods..

So the very statement that he made so certain to make very clear and to state that there was zero force used in any way whatsoever and that actually they were showing zero signs of stress of any type, walking of their own free will, completely unguided and without having been led in any way leisurely walking and making their way towards the woods..

That very statement ensuring that it is clearly understood that Holly in no way looked, acted, or seemed to be in distress.. But In his very next statement that followed he completely relays the exact and polar opposite of what he has just stated?!?!! That she was going into the woods against her will and that it was learned that she had been threatened about going into those woods and she did so completely against her wiil..

Does anyone else read this as I do and that the comment seems very strange, nonsensical, and IMO most likely there is
Much or ATLEAST some portion of the statement that is not the honest truth..this only further indicating that it's possibly not a true nor accurate acct of what happened that morning..

I'll lastly say this in clarifying that I am not pointing a finger at Clint but rather looking at It from the point of view that it is not Clint who wishes to deceive or lie with his statements but rather it is due to the open and active case and likely at LE's request that they want certain info and details NOT KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC .. but who really And truly knows the why, the when, the where, and the who..
*But I do know for certain there definitely are some odd and strange statements, behaviors, etc.. Jmo, tho!

Long post, but I haven't posted for awhile so making up for lost time.
When that article was first released, I brought up a similar line of thought in regards to the statements made by CB. I do find those two particular comments to be an odd match, but not improbable. In saying that he later came to "find out" HB had been threatened, I felt right away that he was purposely being vague. It could mean that when everyone converged on the Bobo house after the abduction and everybody shared their version of events, there was a clearer picture from which to draw assumptions. The blood found in the garage raised their level of concern, especially once that elusive turkey was nowhere to be found, etc... So one possibility is that they naturally assumed she was threatened.

Another way to look at these statements is to read somewhere in between the lines of what is being said here and then also consider some of the statements that CB has added or revised over time. For example in the JVM interview, JVM asks if the blood trail lead anywhere. KB says no and then CB says that the trail in the woods leads to a logging road. Hmmmm. So going back to Smooth's post, CB makes this odd pairing of statements again, which IMO are along the same line of thought. CB says that he saw them walking toward the woods casually, then he not only says she must of been threatened with a weapon, he says that she definitely went into the woods against her will and later adds the bit about the trail leading to a logging road. So why did the question about where a blood trail could of possibly lead made CB want to say there is a trail leading to a logging road?
Also consider some of the other seemingly random remarks CB has said. One that has stuck in my mind for quite awhile is from the JVM interview as well. When he brings up the two silhouettes kneeling in the garage. To paraphrase the remarks of CB, he saw two silhouettes kneeling in the garage but he could not tell who they were. He saw them them from the inside of the house looking out at them in the garage. He heard two unidentifiable voices outside(later added that they were younger sounding) and called his mother to ask if anybody was suppose to be there. NOW HERE IS WHERE I AM EXTREMELY CONFUSED. Do I find it odd that he called his mother far away when the people he was asking about were maybe 20-30ish feet away from him? Yes I 100% find that odd, but here is what is even stranger IMO. CB says that in talking to his mother, he was told that Holly was suppose to be at school already. If CB had no idea who was out in the garage, then why did his mother assume it was HB if she was suppose to be at school by then? If KB had already been told about a scream heard by the neighbor at this point, would't the level of concern be sky high? So in talking to his mother he realized it is HB out in the garage and at this point assumes the person is DS, the boyfriend. Up to this point in this version of the story, the confusion does make some sense. Nobody is worried about HB safety at this time. Now here is the hard part of that to understand. When talking to his mother, he somehow figures out that it is HB out in the garage but according to what he has repeatedly said, he did not go out into the garage to see for himself. That is odd, maybe he looked out another window, saw her car and assumed everything was fine. But he doesn't make a statement about knowing who is in the garage once without looking, he does it twice. He later adds that HE assumed it WAS HB and DS in the garage, but he immediately adds that it was DS in full camo gear in the garage as well. IF he did not look to see who was in the garage, how did he know it was not only DS, but that he was in full camo gear?( at this point in the narrative, CB makes it sound like he saw the camo man in the garage). Please notice how CB says he believed DS had been hunting and brought a turkey back TO THE GARAGE before he saw them casually walk away. Here is that quote from the JVM interview-http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html
"VELEZ-MITCHELL: When you saw them kneeling down did you think to ask them or approach them? How far away were you?

C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed."

First of all, how do you assume somebody is in full camo gear by seeing their silhouette kneeling down? How could he say he believed it was DS in full camo gear in the garage and know it was HB out there with him when he could hear unidentifiable voices but did not go look to see who it actually was? All of this before he saw them walking away together. That part of the story completely baffles me like no other and makes me think the order of the timeline as we know it could be completely false. Not the time it happened, but the sequence.

 

[Advocate1]

It is all just completely crazy confusing.
It doesn't appear that LE is making progress they have not commented on the case in months. Karen says they sent sharing info with them but that she knows they are working really hard to bring Holly home. No POI'S released, no suspects, no abductor description, no comment on the dogs tracking a scent, no comment on any tire tracks, so we don't get any info besides camp man and her were walking towards the woods and there were no sign of her being forced and they disappear.

Family gives a quick plea for help finding Holly then we don't here anything else from them for 10 weeks. No statements from LE addressing the safety of the community or if they feel this was a isolated incident. We just wait.
Family wouldn't talk, LE stopped giving updates, we had all these unclarified contradictions, no timeline, nothing...
We know that LE believes she was abducted and in "fear for her life" and was going into the woods against her will.
I really get the impression that the media attention was not wanted in this case by LE. I carefully say that I feel that the general public was not utilized at all by anyone. If you were local you were needed but beyond that it just felt and had played out very different then any other case I can think of.
We have LE saying that the investigation has narrowed and is do used on identifying the suspect( that was over 3 months ago) Then we have LE saying that they have no solid or promising leafs and don't know what they missed??? Huh?
Then we hear we are 1 clue away. Find that clue and it will hopefully bring Holly home.
So its been almost 5 months and LE is not talking at all. They wont clarify anything. We have the family that did a 180 and is on a media blitz. They are asking the person(s) that have Holly to please let her come home. I find it odd that very rarely do they ask for help, or clarifying a timeline. They seem to always be almost talking to someone that is holding Holly against her will imo.
Lastly we have Clint tell us the other day that he thinks they are closer now then ever to bringing Holly home. I pray this is true. This case is just different. There is more to it.

I think I remember a lot of the initial media asking why Clint didn't follow her or do something, if she was being "dragged" into the woods by a man. And that is when I believe it became, she was walked into the woods, sometimes "led" into the woods and then walking along side him in fear for her life, or something like that. And that is when LE said the infamous "it is not as it seems" or words to that effect. So I think they were saying while she wasn't dragged, as was initially reported, that there was reason to believe she was being threatened (perhaps for the Amber Alert, although I am not sure it was an official one?) but I got the impression that they were trying to say that while Clint couldn't tell she was being forced, they concluded she must have been. And besides, we know Clint didn't think she was in danger, because he still thought it was Drew she was walking with, didn't he? What a confusing mess of words and phrases...

I wish I had confidence that LE knows a whole lot and is close to a conclusion in this case, but from her family's recents words I do not get that impression at all. I don't think they mean to add to the confusion, I blame the reporters and/or TV hosts asking questions badly and then not waiting for answers, instead they feed them something else and the original question gets lost.