TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #28

[~n/t~]

We generally are not able to use the examiner as a source at WS and I can see why...

Nothing we haven't seen in other MSM. I was just trying to put together some sort of timeline of what occurred and when. I thought it would be easier if I stuck to the same source. I guess not. Oh well, people can take from it whatever they want. The facts remain the same.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Had she called Drew at his place of employment, maybe?

HB screamed, the neighbor getting into her car heard it, the Bobo dog heard it and started barking, the barking woke CB up, the neighbor called KB, KB called HB's cell and got no answer, so she calls DS at work and he is there.

Then she calls CB at home, and when he brings up the 2 people in the garage, she tells him that DS is not one of them because she just talked to him, and then she calls 911.

That's the way I remember it from what I read at the time.

It is my personal opinion, that both Professional and Private Search Organizations are boots on the ground searching, and they say that they will not stop until they find Holly.

As a side note, we live in an area exactly like the Bobo family, and our nearest neighbors are farther away than those from the Bobo's. We can hear the children talking when they are outside, because sound carries so far away here, because it is so quiet.

All MOO, as always ~~

 

[~n/t~]

HB screamed, the neighbor getting into her car heard it, the Bobo dog heard it and started barking, the barking woke CB up, the neighbor called KB, KB called HB's cell and got no answer, so she calls DS at work and he is there.

Then she calls CB at home, and when he brings up the 2 people in the garage, she tells him that DS is not one of them because she just talked to him, and then she calls 911.

That's the way I remember it from what I read at the time.

It is my personal opinion, that both Professional and Private Search Organizations are boots on the ground searching, and they say that they will not stop until they find Holly.

As a side note, we live in an area exactly like the Bobo family, and our nearest neighbors are farther away than those from the Bobo's. We can hear the children talking when they are outside, because sound carries so far away here, because it is so quiet.

All MOO, as always ~~

That version changed somewhat. It was the neighbour's son who heard the scream. We don't know anything else about him. His age, etc.

CB said he called his mom and not that KB called him.

The scream came from the Bobo home.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

That version changed somewhat. It was the neighbour's son who heard the scream. We don't know anything else about him. His age, etc.

CB said he called his mom and not that KB called him.

The scream came from the Bobo home.

There may be 2 witnesses to the screams then, because I saw the neighbor on the news.

 

[~n/t~]

SmoothOperator-I don't think those comments are necessarily polar opposites. He glanced out a window and saw them walking into the woods. Holly was not in any immediate visible danger. Then, he learns of the blood and the fact that it wasn't Drew and also the fact that she is obviously missing and now thinks it is obvious that Holly was threatened and didn't go into the woods willingly. Free will, to me, doesn't have to be taken away with physical force or being led. Against her will could just mean she was scared into it. Nothing changed visually, but the information he had did change-that Holly's blood spilled and...well, that she hasn't come back yet.

He thought the blood was turkey blood and not Holly's.

C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

 

[~n/t~]

There may be 2 witnesses to the screams then, because I saw the neighbor on the news.

Interesting. Thanks.

Here is where the neighbour's son comment came from, FYI

Karen said she was in her school's cafeteria when she got the message that a neighbor's son had heard screams coming from their home.

"I think at that point I knew something was wrong because I knew Holly had a test, a big test, that day," she said. "And at the time she came and told me that, Holly should've already been gone to school."

Karen said Clint, who was at home asleep at the time, did not hear screams.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/4c09f19a56bc44da8dbbf24602b22cc7/TN--Tenn-Woman-Abducted

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Interesting. Thanks.

Here is where the neighbour's son comment came from, FYI


http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/4c09f19a56bc44da8dbbf24602b22cc7/TN--Tenn-Woman-Abducted

That's a good article; thanks.

Oh, you know what ? Maybe the son is the son of that neighbor. Maybe she was taking him to school. Or maybe he's from a different house altogether.

This whole case is so frustrating. And Oct. 12, is Holly's 21st birthday.
I hope to God she's home by then.

 

[~n/t~]

That's a good article; thanks.

Oh, you know what ? Maybe the son is the son of that neighbor. Maybe she was taking him to school. Or maybe he's from a different house altogether.

This whole case is so frustrating. And Oct. 12, is Holly's 21st birthday.
I hope to God she's home by then.

I hope so too! She's my son's age. :rose:

 

[EllaMae]

"First of all, how do you assume somebody is in full camo gear by seeing their silhouette kneeling down? How could he say he believed it was DS in full camo gear in the garage and know it was HB out there with him when he could hear unidentifiable voices but did not go look to see who it actually was? All of this before he saw them walking away together. That part of the story completely baffles me like no other and makes me think the order of the timeline as we know it could be completely false. Not the time it happened, but the sequence."

<snipped>

I think that Clint is not an experienced public speaker, nor has he been interviewed a lot in his life, so some of his story may seem confusing because he rambles a lot. He is also Southern, and we have a way of putting things together in a sentence that could be hard for others to understand.
I believe he is NOT saying that he actually saw the cammo while viewing the silhouette. He knows the guy was wearing cammo because he later saw him in those clothes while walking into the woods with Holly. He realized that it had to be the same man who was in the garage. So he feels confident saying the guy was wearing cammo in the garage without having to actually see it at that point. He's made those conclusions based on what he learned later....not on what he actually was seeing at the time he looked out the window into the garage. He thought he was seeing Holly with her boyfriend who had been hunting, but later had to readjust due to what actually happened.
Clint is not a good communicator, in addition to his inexperience, because he is also under a great deal of stress as well, and he may be trying not to reveal too much while still telling his story.
He has been trying to put the pieces together of what he saw after the trauma of his sister's abduction became a reality for him. It was early morning, and he didn't realize he should've been paying closer attention, or that Holly was in danger. He's just not all that great at being clear and concise.
I have a friend who cannot tell a story about her adventures that makes any sense. She is a terrible communicator, and can be very confusing. I have to go over it and ask questions in the right way to get the complete details in the right order. I suspect Clint may be like that.
I don't think he is involved in Holly's abduction in any way, or that he is fabricating any part of his story. He just doesn't express himself well in an interview, and there is no effort made to clarify anything by the interviewer.
The media got all kinds of details wrong in the beginning, and that has added to the confusion.

 

[~n/t~]

I understand there may be a problem with The Examiner being used as a source but thought I'd link this article anyway because a friend of the family was interviewed and it gives her version of what was told to her by CB. As much as I want to believe that the media is responsible for getting the facts wrong, I do not think that is the case in all instances. I will refrain from quoting and let you all decide what to make of it.

It's an older article dated JULY 2011 - 3 month mark

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...flects-on-the-morning-holly-bobo-went-missing

Personally, I don't see a language barrier. Facts remain the same whether you're from the North, South, East or West.

If he said he assumed it was Holly and Drew looking over a turkey, that is exactly what he meant...for example.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

I understand there may be a problem with The Examiner being used as a source but thought I'd link this article anyway because a friend of the family was interviewed and it gives her version of what was told to her by CB. As much as I want to believe that the media is responsible for getting the facts wrong, I do not think that is the case in all instances. I will refrain from quoting and let you all decide what to make of it.

It's an older article dated JULY 2011 - 3 month mark

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...flects-on-the-morning-holly-bobo-went-missing

Personally, I don't see a language barrier. Facts remain the same whether you're from the North, South, East or West.

If he said he assumed it was Holly and Drew looking over a turkey, that is exactly what he meant...for example.

I think very highly of Isabelle Zehnder, and her reporting.

 

[belimom]

I think the article above in ~n/t~'s post is a good one - and I think that is exactly how it happened. MOO

 

[Carla Lashelle]

All I asked for was a reference for your statement that Karen Bobo "actually saw" Holly. No need to worry about creating an idea that is not productive. I can do that on my time. TIA.

Ok I may be replying to two different people about the same thing at the same time. But as I mentioned... theres 5 months of articles and interviews. We all have the same access to them. It just gets sort of difficult to keep going back again and again.

what I put forth is MY opinion or MY theory. We all must construct our own based on what we found out ourselves.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Karen has said in one of the recent interviews she saw Holly that morning. Actually saw.

Your statement "Actually saw" was definitive. I thought you finally found the interview to substantiate your certainty.....and I Have looked thru 5 months of info, and NEVER found that statement, thus need your reference.

Ok I may be replying to two different people about the same thing at the same time. But as I mentioned... theres 5 months of articles and interviews. We all have the same access to them. It just gets sort of difficult to keep going back again and again.

what I put forth is MY opinion or MY theory. We all must construct our own based on what we found out ourselves.

Asking you for that reference is a part of constructing MY Opinion or MY theory.
With all due respect I only asked you for "the links" for your definitive statement. Not everyone agrees with "your" opinion, so when you make a statement of interest in proving "our own" theory--we ask you for clarification. That's it!

 

[mountainguy777]

Just because Drew answered his phone doesn't put him at work. Just saying.....

 

[Karen Anne RN]

True.... I was thinking she called the work number, but I don't think she actually said that, in those words....

I believe Karen said that she saw Holly that morning in the last interview that was just released.

 

[mountainguy777]

There must be a much bigger circle of people we have no clue about. We are so focused on clint, drew, mom and dad, that we forget friends, relatives, ex love interests, co- workers, school associates, on and on.

 

[nosyone]

As was brought up by someone upthread the subject of how Karen Bobo knew for certain Drew could not have been/was not the man in camo that Clint had seen his sister with that morning of the 13th.. How I recalled it to happen was that she had already spoken with Drew that Morning.. In wanting to ensure that I was recalling the sequence of events correctly and not stating incorrect info I, too searched out MSM verified information to back up what it is that I recall to have happened regarding Karen knowing this info about Drew prior to talking to Clint or the neighbor(full quote along with link to the full article is posted at the bottom)

Several have asked do we know or is there clarification of what means of communication that Karen had with Drew the morning of the 13th.. I cannot find specific clarification stating that it was via a phone call rather than face to face in person conversation, but IMO I believe that is what it most likely alludes to in Karen's stating:

[all quotes in this post are from one link posted at the bottom]

But as I said there is nothing clarifying that it was via phone convo or via face to face convo.. We just know that Karen had spoken with Drew at some point prior to Karen having any idea Holly's well fare was even at risk..

Karen having already spoken to Drew BEFORE the neighbor called the school(to alert Karen that they had heard screams from what they felt was the direction of the Bobo's residence).. And also BEFORE Karen spoke with her son, Clint via phone call while at the school(a little confusion as per this article it specifically states that Karen called Clint which is opposite of how we have been told many times before in that it was "Clint who called mom, Karen" for the purpose of either telling/or inquiring her about was Holly supposed to have been at school because he had seen her outside their home with Her boyfriend, Drew)


However the situation remains the same in that we know that at some point prior to Karen's being alerted to something possibly happening at home.. Karen had already spoken to Drew in those early morning hours of April 13th.. We do not know what was told her by Drew in that convo but can draw the logical conclusion that whatever it was that was told her it had to have been indicative that Drew absolutely would not or could not possibly be able to have been at the Bobo residence at that specific time that Clint told his mom that he had seen who he thought was Drew dressed all in camo and was last seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods of their back property.


IMO for Karen Bobo to have been so very assured that there was no way the person who Clint believed to have been Holly's boyfriend, Drew..was NOT DREW, and to without hesitation tell her son that it could not and was not Drew that he saw.. To me for a mother to make such a declarative statement.. Seemingly without a shadow of a doubt in her mind that what her very own son, Clint was telling her that he witnessed and who he witnessed to be with his sister just moments prior and that person was Drew.. IMO for Karen to have immediately stated that he was wrong and that it was not and could not be Drew that her son had just seen.. That tells me that whatever was the convo between Karen and Drew at some point prior to her learning that Holly was likely in grave danger.. Those statements made by Drew to Karen had to not only be believable.. But absolutely convincing That whatever and more importantly WHEREVER it was that Drew was relaying to Karen as to his immediate agenda and whereabouts as well as ATLEAST a specific amount of time assumed on Karen's part as to the length of time that Drew would be involved in this task at hand and in an area that was not within immediate range of the Bobo's home..

IMO this would have had to have been known for certain in order for Karen to immediately disregard her son's statement that he'd just seen Holly with Drew.. I am putting myself in her shoes as a mother who is talking to her adult son who is relaying info to me about his sister, my daughter and what my son just moments prior had witnessed himself and who he saw his sister alongside of was her boyfriend, Drew.. For me to immediately tell my son that He is wrong, that it was NOT Drew who he had just witnessed, he must be mistaken because Drew could not or would not have been there just moments prior.. For me to immediately without hesitation strike down my adult son's eye witness account of what he had only moments prior seen with his very own eyes.. For me to strike that down, disregard it 100%, and even tell him he is absolutely wrong and mistaken.. There would have to be something extremely concrete that I knew that Drew was elsewhere engaged in doing.. Therefor making it impossible for him to have not been at the Bobo residence.. Would not other mothers agree with me on that??*

And in that lies the question of what??? What on earth could it be that had Karen know with such certainty that she *immediately discounts her son's eyewitness acct and without hesitation then convinces her son that he is wrong and who he saw was NOT DREW..?? where would Drew have been that she would have known with such certainty that IT COULD NOT BE DREW that was at the Bobo residence???

Because you take into consideration the amount of time between Karen having talked to Drew.. And no one knows
For certain but likely it would have been prior to her beginning her work day at the school.. So we could be talking anywhere within that hour or possibly even longer, but a safe bet would be if she spoke to Clint a little before 8, and the neighbor a few mins prior to that, then I'd think it safe that to guesstimate that she could've talked to him on that 26 min commute from home to school btwn. 7:00-7:30am(again just a guesstimate).. So if she speaks to Clint a little before 8 IMO itd be safe to say it'd likely been around or atleast
30 mins since she'd spoken with Drew(again we never have had it clarified that the convo was via phone vs. Face to face).. So taking that into consideration the convo btwn mom and Drew could have been much earlier that morning.. But safe to say ATLEAST 30mins likely had passed since she'd spoken to Drew when she had her conversation with Clint where he tells her he has seen Holly with Drew right outside their home..

So if we know mom first speaks with Clint regarding Holly's well being just shy of 8am and likely her convo with Drew is ATLEAST 30mins prior to that time.. IMO that is more than enough of a lapse in time for anyone to travel within anywhere in Darden, including it's surrounding areas..jmo.. If even we narrow the window of time to say 15 mins between Karen's convo with Drew.. Her getting to the cafeteria, then her being alerted as to a call from the neighbor, to her finally speaking with Clint to hear his acct of what he'd just seen.. Even if you squeeze that time to just 15mins prior she had spoken with Drew that still is a sufficient lapse in time to have had Drew for whatever reasons have a change of
Plans and left where it was that he'd relayed to Karen that he was and headed to the Bobo's residence..

My point is that very easily something could have changed in the time that lapsed between Karen's having talked with Drew and obviously at that time learned his agenda and whereabouts(atleast to some extent).. And the time that she eventually speaks with her son, Clint and learns that according to him he, in the moments prior, had just seen Holly and whom he believed at that time to have been Her boyfriend, Drew right outside the back of their home..
IMO any way you look at it there has to be significant amount of time(enough to travel the short distances In and around Darden and the Bobo residence) to have lapsed from when Karen had spoken to Drew at some point earlier and prior to her learning of there being any threat whatsoever to Holly's well being.. And that due to there even being a small amount of time lapse that existed between the conversations, regardless it was still a window of time that could have very easily allowed any type of change in plans, whether a predetermined change of plans or a spur of the moment change in plans, either way time lapsed allowed for this change of plans to have occurred and have been possible IMO..

So, in knowing this and recognizing that easily something could have changed from the time Karen last spoke to Drew.. I ask myself the question what would make Karen certain this wasn't a possibility(and not ONLY certain at this particular moment with the flood of emotions of everything happening all at once.. But a continued certainty in still seeming to believe with absolute certainty that IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN Drew at their house at the time when Clint believed who he saw with Holly walking towards the woods was Drew)
What could have been told her by Drew, himself in that last convo prior to Holly's disappearance that would be so concrete in Karen's mind that it could not have been Drew at the Bobo home that morning?? Even when her own son states that he saw Holly alongside who he believed to be her boyfriend, Drew??*

In trying to think on what some of those possibilities would be what first comes to mind is that if Karen knew for certain that Drew was in a location that given the amount of time available that morning that it would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for him to have traveled that distance..Another is that Karen knew Drew's exact location due one of a couple ways..she possibly was his ride that morning taking him to where it was she knew that he was(or possibly Dana was his transportation that day).. Either way Maybe she knew first hand he did not have available to him any means of transportation to have been able to get to the Bobo residence at the specific time that Clint states that he saw Holly and who he believed to have been Drew..
Those are a few of the reasons that I came up with off the top of my head as to how or why would Karen have been so very certain that it was not&could not have been possible for it to have been Drew that Clint thought he had seen with Holly..

Anyone who has other ideas of what would constitute for Karen's certainty in immediately discounting her own son's eyewitness account of who he'd seen Holly with during that specific period of time.. Please don't hesitate to point out&post.. My intention is not to prove that Karen was wrong in her without a doubt holding steadfast to it not even being a possibility that it was Drew that her son saw that morning.. But rather to help possibly discern what it is that would have immediately made her so dog gone certain, without even a shadow of a doubt that her son was absolutely 100% mistaken in who he believed that he'd seen with his sister the morning of her disappearance..*
Because as I said earlier for me as a mother to right off the bat, immediately upon my adult son telling me what he had just only moments prior to speaking with me.. That he'd seen my daughter&her boyfriend.. For me to immediately&without hesitation tell him that he was mistaken, he was wrong, and that he did NOT see what he just stated that he'd seen.. For me as his mother to question something of such a dire of serious importance that my son was telling me.. It would have to be with very good, but most importantly with very concrete substance of knowledge that would make it IMPOSSIBLE..therefor meaning my son was
Infact WRONG/MISTAKEN. *
And in my personal opinion my daughter's boyfriend telling me in a convo at some point earlier that morning what his agenda and whereabouts were for that day and time.. His mere word alone in a convo to me would not constitute the type of concrete evidence that I personally would have to have in order for me to immediately discount my own son's eyewitness acct..jmo, tho!

Here is the quote in it's full context of which I have quoted different portions of throughout my post.. Along with the link to the full 2 page article as well:

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly...ay-she-vanished-20110722,0,3902086,full.story

Would be interested to hear what others thoughts are on what it was that was told Karen in her last convo with Drew at some Point in those early morning hours of April 13th..This convo occurring Prior to her learning of Holly's possibly being in danger.. What could it have been that Drew relayed to Karen that made her IMMEDIATELY and without hesitation upon her son telling her that he had just seen Holly with Drew.. Karen's immediate reaction was that her son was mistaken, was wrong and that she knew for certain that it could not and wAs not Drew that Clint had seen alongside Holly walking towards the woods..

What could constitute that amount of certainty that it was NOT Drew?

TIA to any who think of some other possibilities because I am and have been totally perplexed by this for months.. :doh:

**sorry for the extremely lengthy post.. Can you tell that I really and truly wonder what could make a mom so certain about a teenage boyfriend's whereabouts??!?:crazy:

I wondered if DS could have been out of town. I remember HB's grandmother making a statement that the night before was the first night that they had been away from each other, but I don't remember her being specific on the amount of time. The thought occurred to me that maybe he had gone out of town for some reason. IF Karen knew that and CB didn't, then that could be why she was so certain that it couldn't have been Drew. I might be grabbing at straws, but I too wondered how she could be so adamant that it wasn't DS, the only other reason I could think of was that he was standing right in front of her.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

What was fascinating about Ken Brennan is he took the victim's statement about what she remembered of the night/early morning attack and threw it in the garbage. He started over from scratch and what little evidence LE was willing to provide him.

N/T and Concentric--Have the answer!

Take all the witness statements-
Throw them in the trash
Start from scratch

Then we will have ONE account//everyone on the same page, and we won't have to spend anymore time "filling in the blanks"

Any chance that will happen????

 

[Mirage]

I wondered if DS could have been out of town. I remember HB's grandmother making a statement that the night before was the first night that they had been away from each other, but I don't remember her being specific on the amount of time. The thought occurred to me that maybe he had gone out of town for some reason. IF Karen knew that and CB didn't, then that could be why she was so certain that it couldn't have been Drew. I might be grabbing at straws, but I too wondered how she could be so adamant that it wasn't DS, the only other reason I could think of was that he was standing right in front of her.

It could be something as simple as she saw him at the gas station that morning... getting gas or a coke or something. Maybe they chatted briefly, then she went on to school, but not enough time had lapsed for him to have gotten to their house yet. Just one of many possibiities. When she said she had talked to him that morning, I dont believe she ever said "on the phone".