TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[Seaturtle]

Couldn't agree with this post more, Carla. Thank you.

The constant negative approach taken on WS's toward Holly's family and community have- for the first time- made me not very proud of the WS community.

Everyone is, of course, entitled to their opinion.

Mine is that none of this family/community bashing is helpful in finding Holly.

I think you both may have misunderstood my post. I was in no way bashing (or in this case even questioning) Holly's family. I was also not bashing the entire community - although I was less than clear on that. It is obvious that there are many people in the area who are supporting this family and want to find her. My frustrations are specific to the lack of information and details from officials in the community that give us any indication they are still looking for her. It is very tough to bring new MSM-approved information here without any MSM coverage. I acknowledged that it is a small community, lacking the media we see in many other cases - but it is frustrating nonetheless.

I am relatively new here and have tried to be productive in moving conversations forward and am also trying to do real-world research to bring new information here where little is happening other than picking apart a few televised interviews. If this is the kind of reception I can expect, I'm not exactly sure what you are looking for or what you do consider to be "helpful in finding Holly". Apologies for crashing the party.

 

[~n/t~]

REPOSTING FOR THOSE WHO MISSED IT

Nobody ruled out in Holly Bobo investigation - YouTube

 

[~n/t~]

I think you both may have misunderstood my post. I was in no way bashing (or in this case even questioning) Holly's family. I was also not bashing the entire community - although I was less than clear on that. It is obvious that there are many people in the area who are supporting this family and want to find her. My frustrations are specific to the lack of information and details from officials in the community that give us any indication they are still looking for her. It is very tough to bring new MSM-approved information here without any MSM coverage. I acknowledged that it is a small community, lacking the media we see in many other cases - but it is frustrating nonetheless.

I am relatively new here and have tried to be productive in moving conversations forward and am also trying to do real-world research to bring new information here where little is happening other than picking apart a few televised interviews. If this is the kind of reception I can expect, I'm not exactly sure what you are looking for or what you do consider to be "helpful in finding Holly". Apologies for crashing the party.

You did nothing wrong, imo.

 

[~n/t~]

Oriah, I haven't seen any posts from you regarding what is helpful in looking for Holly? Any suggestions?

Normally, family members are ruled out. In this case they are not. So where do you suggest we start to look to help find Holly?

We have a timeline. We have Holly's blood. We have Holly's bag. We have a scream. We have Clint with a gun. We have a whole bunch of phone calls.


What are we missing to piece this together?

 

[Telicity]

The constant negative approach taken on WS's toward Holly's family and community have- for the first time- made me not very proud of the WS community.

Everyone is, of course, entitled to their opinion.

Mine is that none of this family/community bashing is helpful in finding Holly.

I don't see how refusing to question anything when things are clearly not adding up properly to be helpful, either. It doesn't help to take one witness statement as the ultimate truth, when nothing around is making sense. An entire timeline doesn't make sense, if you take the words of the family.

I don't see much bashing - just because people are questioning, does not make it bashing. Shouldn't all angles be covered in discussion, if things seem to point their way? I don't think it's at all helpful to passive-aggressively try to shut down discussion, simply because people are questioning the events.

 

[norest4thewicked]

From someone who followed this case from Day one and continued weeks after, I can tell you that all of these questions have been asked and re-asked, over and over. To assume that all LE has is the blood, bag, scream, etc. is underestimating LE and others who have spent hours, days, weeks and months on this case. LE knows a lot more about this disappearance than MSM will ever know.

 

[MizStery]

OK,this has been on my mind. What is the old saying,"You might as well say it because you can to hel_ for thinking it".

Years ago I took a deviant behavior class to satisfy 5 credits towards my humanities distribution. One of the lectures that most sticks in my mind is most homicides are committed by someone who knows their victim.

Recently I had to go to the courthouse on business and as I waited almost every woman there was getting a restraining order. Holly was a very striking woman and no doubt had admirers.
Reading between the lines the family is afraid of someone. I think CB &Holly's mother are frightened
as is Holly's friends of this threatening person. This is a small town the only way to avoid someone even if you had a restraining order is to disappear. Now,there are two ways to see this.... one is this an elaborate hoax to get Holly far away from a psychotic threat. The other is this threatening person showed up took Holly and made it clear to CB and Holly's family if they ever want to see her alive they better play along. This is possible scenario. Not saying I think this happened but it is in the realm of possibility.MOO

 

[Oriah]

From someone who followed this case from Day one and continued weeks after, I can tell you that all of these questions have been asked and re-asked, over and over. To assume that all LE has is the blood, bag, scream, etc. is underestimating LE and others who have spent hours, days, weeks and months on this case. LE knows a lot more about this disappearance than MSM will ever know.

Thank you, norest. Excellent post.

I have followed this from day one, also. When one spends months working a case (and often in a professional capacity of some sort) it becomes very discouraging to see the same info regurgitated constantly, to no useful purpose. That does NOT mean people cannot share their theories. But all of these theories have been beaten to death, imo.

What can we do to help find Holly?

How about we go back to direction of travel. What if she entered the woods at the N of the Bobo property? What about the S, E, or W? What if a vehicle exited the property during that time period? Traveling at what rate of speed, in what direction- how far would that get us? Radius. If a vehicle was in the woods, what difference would that make if it were a car, truck, ATV in terms of distance? Radius. Where might a vehicle have stopped for fuel, if a vehicle were involved? Where are ATV and car dealerships in the area? What about body shops? Who sells camo? Who sells guns? What about pawn shops? What guns are registered to the Bobo's? Were there any recent gun shows in the area? How about a conference of any sort? A flea market? What common trucker routes pass through the area? Where are traffic cams within those different areas? What is the terrain like surrounding the Bobo home? Are there sinkholes? Deer stands? Deer feeders? Any fencing? How many hunting permits were issued, and to whom? How many people checked in with their limit that day? Is anyone missing? What is the annual on hunting injuries in that county? What hospital are most people with injuries sent to? Who is on staff at dispatch?

I could go on forever- but these are all questions I have brought up in the past- they are the type of questions that help solve cases- and most can be answered by the general public with a little bit of actual research- not research assumed to be correctly done by the media OR LE for that matter.

Perhaps if everyone takes just ONE of those question- and then we combine info- we could help to find Holly.

 

[Oriah]

OK,this has been on my mind. What is the old saying,"You might as well say it because you can to hel_ for thinking it".

Years ago I took a deviant behavior class to satisfy 5 credits towards my humanities distribution. One of the lectures that most sticks in my mind is most homicides are committed by someone who knows their victim.

Recently I had to go to the courthouse on business and as I waited almost every woman there was getting a restraining order. Holly was a very striking woman and no doubt had admirers.
Reading between the lines the family is afraid of someone. I think CB &Holly's mother are frightened
as is Holly's friends of this threatening person. This is a small town the only way to avoid someone even if you had a restraining order is to disappear. Now,there are two ways to see this.... one is this an elaborate hoax to get Holly far away from a psychotic threat. The other is this threatening person showed up took Holly and made it clear to CB and Holly's family if they ever want to see her alive they better play along. This is possible scenario. Not saying I think this happened but it is in the realm of possibility.MOO

My issue with the elaborate hoax, MizStery- is that I think that every level of LE would have to be in on it- and I have a pretty hard time with that.
Now- an unwelcome admirer? That I can see. Who would like to look up the court records and post about any and all restraining orders in the county filed prior to- say 3 months before Holly's abduction? And maybe the following 3 months?

 

[Oriah]

I don't see how refusing to question anything when things are clearly not adding up properly to be helpful, either. It doesn't help to take one witness statement as the ultimate truth, when nothing around is making sense. An entire timeline doesn't make sense, if you take the words of the family.

I don't see much bashing - just because people are questioning, does not make it bashing. Shouldn't all angles be covered in discussion, if things seem to point their way? I don't think it's at all helpful to passive-aggressively try to shut down discussion, simply because people are questioning the events.

1st BBM:
I completely agree- all angles should be covered in discussion, with respect to victims.

2nd BBM:
I also agree that it is not helpful to passive-aggressively try to shut down discussion.
I'm not sure if that was in response to a specific post? If so, please explain.

 

[Seaturtle]

From someone who followed this case from Day one and continued weeks after, I can tell you that all of these questions have been asked and re-asked, over and over. To assume that all LE has is the blood, bag, scream, etc. is underestimating LE and others who have spent hours, days, weeks and months on this case. LE knows a lot more about this disappearance than MSM will ever know.

I too have followed it since Day 1 because of a family connection to the area. You make very good points. Speaking for myself, I don't think I'm underestimating LE at all. I am quite certain they know A LOT more about what happened than any of us or the media. The "tone" of what was going on in the early part of her disappearance was one of an "inevitable conclusion" for many of us - massive searches, LE assurance it was a local perp, everybody knows everybody, large reward, and one thing almost NO kidnappings have - AN EYEWITNESS. Now, months later, there is still no Holly and no word on whether they are actively looking for her or have any specific credible leads or suspects. It seems natural in such a case for people to wonder why and to explore theories or possibilities outside the box of those early assumptions.

I have been trying to get a better "feel" for the local area through time on-line and help from a family member who lives nearby. One thing that I have found is that the "close to the vest" hold on information by local LE in Holly's case is absolutely standard operating procedure, especially in this area where there is little or no media pressure on them to put out public information. This is not a judgment - it is just an observation. Questioning and trying to understand history, culture and context is an important part of any type of research or investigative activity. I am having trouble understanding why it is so negatively perceived here.

 

[Plumeria5]

While I have enjoyed reading and writing on this forum, I took a break from it.
In the past I had felt comfortable sharing my ideas. I have always tried to thank the ones I agreed with and keep an open mind with those I may not. I have changed my theories over and over because I have kept an open mind. Questioning others' ideas is fine as long as you take into consideration that we are all in this to try to help find Holly. We are all on the same team. I would ask that everyone respect all posts otherwise we are going to alienate people who really want to help, me included.

 

[Chili Fries]

Normally, family members are ruled out. In this case they are not. So where do you suggest we start to look to help find Holly?

From my experience following many cases that doesn't seem to be true. I've seen many cases where LE makes general statements about nobody being ruled out but for all intents and purposes they don't believe the family (or somebody who might be considered a possible POI) is involved. A great example is Somer Thompson's murder. LE never cleared her mom publicly so many internet sleuthers took that as a sign that her mom could be a viable suspect. But that doesn't seem to have been the case at all.

Why do they do this? Maybe it's because they like to base their public statements on concrete facts. If somebody doesn't have an iron-clad alibi then it can't go into the absolute fact category. But that doesn't mean LE doesn't think heavily about probabilities when doing investigations. I know LE conducts investigations believing some things are much more probable than others. For example, if a male dog and a female pig try to mate there is a very, very small probability that the pig will get pregnant and a pog (or dig) will be born. Doesn't mean it will happen, we all know from common sense that it's so unlikely that we can rule it out for all intents and purposes.

LE-speak is also probably involved. They have their cliches. Obviously some people are ruled out. The President of France didn't do it.

I also think that this case exemplifies a tendency that is seen in a lot of these threads...sleuthers focus on the available information. In this case it's all about the events of the family (and friend and boyfriend). That's the MSM verified info we have (except for the lunchpurse I believe). It's natural to scrutinize the only detailed information given. But I think it's very important to realize that the information we have could be very skewed towards things that don't really mean a whole lot in the grand scope of things. If Holly was abducted by a man who targeted and abducted her for sexual reasons (which is a likely scenario), then most of this stuff being discussed here isn't really that important. In that case what's important is that she was injured, abducted and taken to parts unknown.

I remember when Kristi Cornwell was abducted. Her boyfriend was on the phone with her so for a while he was the focus of sleuthing. He's a bit of an odd duck and what he heard her say ,"don't take me", seemed strange. But it turned out that he had nothing to do with her abduction other than just being on the phone with her.

I don't pretend to know what happened to Holly but I do think it's important to point out that the discussions here are focused on reported information, which is not necessarily the info pertinent to solving her disappearance. I think that's important to keep in mind, and I think doing so is respectful to the family.

 

[Oriah]

<Questioning and trying to understand history, culture and context is an important part of any type of research or investigative activity. I am having trouble understanding why it is so negatively perceived here.[/quote]>


BBM and respectfully snipped for space:

I completely agree. Trying to understand and learn about the history, culture, community, and context of a region (small communities are different than large- and large communities are different than small- and many are an amalgamation of both- and some not at all...) Essentially in the end, when we are all lost trying to understand what the heck is this- well, imo, it is extremely valuable for both research and investigative purposes to pursue all avenues of fact-based info. And very important when dealing with a missing persons case.

I think passing moral judgement drawn from conclusions derived from mimimal research and bad reporting is damaging to missing persons cases. Does that make any sense?

 

[Frogzilla]

Thank you, norest. Excellent post.

I have followed this from day one, also. When one spends months working a case (and often in a professional capacity of some sort) it becomes very discouraging to see the same info regurgitated constantly, to no useful purpose. That does NOT mean people cannot share their theories. But all of these theories have been beaten to death, imo.

What can we do to help find Holly?

How about we go back to direction of travel. What if she entered the woods at the N of the Bobo property? What about the S, E, or W? What if a vehicle exited the property during that time period? Traveling at what rate of speed, in what direction- how far would that get us? Radius. If a vehicle was in the woods, what difference would that make if it were a car, truck, ATV in terms of distance? Radius. Where might a vehicle have stopped for fuel, if a vehicle were involved? Where are ATV and car dealerships in the area? What about body shops? Who sells camo? Who sells guns? What about pawn shops? What guns are registered to the Bobo's? Were there any recent gun shows in the area? How about a conference of any sort? A flea market? What common trucker routes pass through the area? Where are traffic cams within those different areas? What is the terrain like surrounding the Bobo home? Are there sinkholes? Deer stands? Deer feeders? Any fencing? How many hunting permits were issued, and to whom? How many people checked in with their limit that day? Is anyone missing? What is the annual on hunting injuries in that county? What hospital are most people with injuries sent to? Who is on staff at dispatch?

I could go on forever- but these are all questions I have brought up in the past- they are the type of questions that help solve cases- and most can be answered by the general public with a little bit of actual research- not research assumed to be correctly done by the media OR LE for that matter.

Perhaps if everyone takes just ONE of those question- and then we combine info- we could help to find Holly.

THIS is what people should be wanting to discuss, but one can only research this type of info so far, would need to be there in person to answer 90% of these questions. Also, within the scope of this website, how much useful info would we be allowed to post without MSM? Probably not enough.
This case has nothing straight forward about it. Everyday, on every forum, you will see people that do not believe the story and repeatedly tell you about it. A reported home invasion/abduction partially witnessed by the brother and people refuse to buy into the story. IMO that is where this case greatly differs from others you could try to compare it to. Add into that a lump of confusing information given to the public, it can greatly distort one's perspective. I feel this case would be in a different place, at least in the public's eye, if the story was kept simple, instead of adding and subtracting sequences from the ongoing narrative by the family. It makes people question not only the story, but the motivation for different versions of the same story. Every question seems to be answered in a way that not only brings up more questions following that line of thought, it brings up questions on a related aspect that was previously unknown. Does this seem productive at all to helping this case? The search for finding HB started at her home and six months later 95% of discussions of this case still revolve around the time between the reported scream and LE showing up at the residence. There is not much else to discuss. The bottom line is that there has been ZERO information given to the public to help solve this case, so it leaves LE and the family to keep moving forward with what they have. I am sure this is not the case, but from all outward appearances, this investigation has never left that community.
If we were to follow your train of thought, and start by discussing what direction that HB was taken, there is a serious problem with that. The only information the public has is that CB says they were going northerly when he saw them, in one of the articles from a few months ago, and then the part of the story we have all beaten to death. Was she dragged, forcibly led, abductor had an arm around her, they were walking together casually? Pick one. Was there a vehicle used? Well we have not been told that, but we do know that if they did use a vehicle, they probably cleaned it, whether it was a car, suv or 4 wheeler. How fast were they going? Well seems to me they went a long ways in a short time. I could keep going but this case has a brick wall put up that is hard to look over/around.

 

[Plumeria5]

With all the theories and possibilities that we alone have theorized, can you imagine how much tension there is in LE and the other agencies involved?
I bet it gets pretty heated.

I'm sure there are quite a few of us that have witnessed a crime or traumatic event. A long time ago I was in the passenger seat and we were traveling east bound in a 4 lane road and had slowed for a red light. There was a car on my side facing us, revving his engine in a strip mall driveway. I could see his angry face so clearly. I sensed this guy was going to take off. And he did. He just missed us but broadsided the car behind us with such force it lifted the car up into the air. The driver took off. The victims in that car had to be airlifted. The police took my name and info. A few days later they came to my door with a lineup of pictures. I believe there were 6 photos of men who were similar in looks. I saw the guy close-up at the time but I could not identify him from those photos. It was very frustrating because I was face to face with him but sensing something horrible I just couldn't remember what he looked like. It was as if I had blocked it out.
I don't know who or what to believe in this case but I do know from personal experience a series of events can become a nightmare to remember.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

From someone who followed this case from Day one and continued weeks after, I can tell you that all of these questions have been asked and re-asked, over and over. To assume that all LE has is the blood, bag, scream, etc. is underestimating LE and others who have spent hours, days, weeks and months on this case. LE knows a lot more about this disappearance than MSM will ever know.

Thank you norest. I certainly can agree with this statement.
The "LE knows a lot more about this disappearance than MSM will ever know" is an interesting comment in that we here at WS may only discuss what is in the MSM. Unless and until LE chooses to share their wealth of knowledge with us, one can expect a very wide range of theories. Allowable here because we have gathered that info from MSM. I would venture to guess some of the things LE "knows" may actually reflect some of the very things mentioned here in our discussions.

ITA, TxLady.

I come from a very diverse family.

If I was abducted by a stranger tomorrow, I guarantee:
At least one of my sibs would come across as 'simple' (and therefore guilty.)
One would come across as arrogant and defensive (and therefore guilty).
One would come across as extremely intelligent and sweet (and therefore guilty.)
Several of my closest friends would come across as 'hicks' because no one would be able to understand their dialect (and therefore guilty.)
And several of my other closest friends would come across as rich, snooty, and 'connected' (and therefore guilty.)
My parents would come across as religious freaks (and therefore guilty.)
And my significant other? Well, he spent 20+ yrs in the Special Forces... (Guilty of course!)

But you know what? NONE of that would be the case. None of it.

Off rant. But had to get that off my chest.

Oh Holly, where are you? We are still searching for you. I'm on YOUR side of the fence, Holly.

Oriah, I think norest has said it best--LE knows more than the MSM! We all would hope and expect that to be true.
Perhaps it is the frustration you also feel with this case that prompted your response. I do not believe one of us here at WS has judged anyone in the Bobo family or Parsons community of Guilt by association....but perhaps your friends and family have been judged by you. :waitasec:

Frankly I think this forum is most respectful to the victims of crimes WS deals with, as I am sure you would also agree. Of course this comment is only my opinion.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Thank you FrogZ! Very well said.

Also I have seen this type of research done on other blogs for other cases where info was not forthcoming. Thousands of hours logged by the community, only to have it dismissed as "not relative". I mean arrest records,flight plans, property searches, arson reports, etc. The case is still unsolved and still there is no new information being presented by LE. Sad really.

 

[cluciano63]

I must be the oddball, as I find it hard to believe that LE knows a whole lot more than anyone else as to what happened to Holly, save the guilty party (ies). I also get the feeling that Holly's mom does not believe they know much either.

As far as the alleged ex- boyfriend, he seems to be carrying on with his life, no mention of Holly, except once briefly back in mid-April per his FB. Just lots of vulgarity, a few racial implications, nothing out of the ordinary apparently, seems like a real charmer, JMO.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I think you both may have misunderstood my post.

I was not referring to your post