TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[Seaturtle]

OMG! I kept looking for ducks in the photo. I couldn't understand why there were no ducks and thought it was my computer. :floorlaugh:

Same here - thought I was losing it!

 

[NCSleuth]

is there a link to the two 'duck' photos?

 

[Seaturtle]

In that it's been tampered with? No. (More to give a false impression, so it seems).
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I have never come across a case that made me feel this way about the photos of the people it involved, that they were just there as 'props' so to speak to tie individuals and to give an impression about them only.

Respectfully snipped to save space. I am interested in your perspective although not quite sure I fully understand. I have found various photos to be interesting as well - but for different reasons. This has nothing to do with the case specifically - it just relates to understanding the local culture and context.

Until you pointed out this group picture of Holly, I had not seen it before nor had I seen any pictures of her without full makeup or that wonderful movie star smile. I have noticed that not only Holly but many of her closest girl friends give the appearance through their photos of always being perfectly "put together". It is obvious they take great care in their appearance and are particularly careful in how they are captured and portrayed in photos. I get the sense that it is an expected and somewhat competitive norm among this group of friends.

The boys on the other hand are a very different story. I have never before seen such an ingrained "hunting" culture in a group of young people. I am a female from a very southern family and have been around hunting and fishing all of my life. (I learned both from my Mom and continue to be an avid fisherwoman to this day). My reason for sharing this is that I "know" hunting culture and for the young men of this community, it goes well beyond anything I have ever seen or heard of before. This is NOT a judgment - just an observation.

So back to what I see in the photos. Where the "showniness" of the girls' photos may come across as overly put together or posed (like magazines or red carpets), the "huntiness" of the boys' photos comes across equally odd and posed. I want to use the term "staged" although I don't really mean faked. I think they just don't ring true to many of us because they are so outside our cultural norms. Does that make any sense to anyone else?

 

[TxLady2]

ITA, TxLady.

I come from a very diverse family.

If I was abducted by a stranger tomorrow, I guarantee:
At least one of my sibs would come across as 'simple' (and therefore guilty.)
One would come across as arrogant and defensive (and therefore guilty).
One would come across as extremely intelligent and sweet (and therefore guilty.)
Several of my closest friends would come across as 'hicks' because no one would be able to understand their dialect (and therefore guilty.)
And several of my other closest friends would come across as rich, snooty, and 'connected' (and therefore guilty.)
My parents would come across as religious freaks (and therefore guilty.)
And my significant other? Well, he spent 20+ yrs in the Special Forces... (Guilty of course!)

But you know what? NONE of that would be the case. None of it.

Off rant. But had to get that off my chest.

Oh Holly, where are you? We are still searching for you. I'm on YOUR side of the fence, Holly.

Thank you! Everyone has skeletons in their closets, things we just don't talk about and wouldn't want the world to know about. I've always said, be advised... if someone close to you goes missing or ends up dead, your whole life is going to be brought out in the public eye. Everything you have ever done or even thought of doing is going to be looked at very closely. And every word you speak from then on is going to be analyzed, scrutinized and criticized. Everything about your life is going to be under the microscope... your phone records, when and how you pay your bills, what church you go to, where you buy your groceries, if you've ever had an affair and how often you have sex with your spouse. EVERYTHING!

IMO, it's bad enough to have your loved one disappear, it's even worse when you have to endure the gossip and the rumors and the innuendos and the pure speculations that abound in these cases. I can only imagine the misery that the Bobo family is going through now. My heart goes out to them.

 

[Mustang Sally]

And in my experience screech owls, bobcats, and foxes tend to be nocturnal creatures. I also have mistaken a screech owl to sound just like a baby crying in the night in the woods. Creepy.

Well, Tennessee is full of bobcats. Bobcats sound extremely human when they scream. Truly like a woman screaming. They are not nocturnal:
Bobcats can be active day or night but tend to exhibit crepuscular (dawn and dusk) activity. Their activity peaks three hours before sunset until midnight and again between one hour before and four hours after sunrise. They remain active year round and do not hibernate. This from: http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/wildlife/living/living_with_bobcats.htm

Not saying it was a bobcat, but it could have been. If it was an animal the neighbor heard, that would be the most likely one. But the coincidence of it being the morning Holly disappeared makes me think there is a more human connection.

My other scenario about the scream is that it could have been someone seeing Holly in a lump on the floor of the carport and realizing she's injured or worse.[/QUOTE]...

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One of my secret theories is that a couple were working in tandem....This couple could have both been threatened by something Holly could have seen or knew. This knowledge may have been something really innocent that these people were afraid of her knowing. The guy/boy/man was the person that DB saw leading Holly away. The girl/female was incharge of driving the vehicle. My thory is that she is the one that screamed when HE showed up with a injured/passed out...dead loooking Holly. (ugh!). All they had to do was dump her into the trunk of a car and go on about their merry way!

The knowledge that Holly had, could have been related to drugs, previous boyfriend or even involving something like cheating at her nursing school!

This young lady has touched me with her innocence and beauty...her short life held so much promise. Her family is lifted up in prayer by me daily. The sadness and loss that they are experiencing has to be horrible!

Dear God...Please Bring Holly and All the Missing HOME!

 

[TxLady2]

From my experience following many cases that doesn't seem to be true. I've seen many cases where LE makes general statements about nobody being ruled out but for all intents and purposes they don't believe the family (or somebody who might be considered a possible POI) is involved. A great example is Somer Thompson's murder. LE never cleared her mom publicly so many internet sleuthers took that as a sign that her mom could be a viable suspect. But that doesn't seem to have been the case at all.

Why do they do this? Maybe it's because they like to base their public statements on concrete facts. If somebody doesn't have an iron-clad alibi then it can't go into the absolute fact category. But that doesn't mean LE doesn't think heavily about probabilities when doing investigations. I know LE conducts investigations believing some things are much more probable than others. For example, if a male dog and a female pig try to mate there is a very, very small probability that the pig will get pregnant and a pog (or dig) will be born. Doesn't mean it will happen, we all know from common sense that it's so unlikely that we can rule it out for all intents and purposes.

LE-speak is also probably involved. They have their cliches. Obviously some people are ruled out. The President of France didn't do it.

I also think that this case exemplifies a tendency that is seen in a lot of these threads...sleuthers focus on the available information. In this case it's all about the events of the family (and friend and boyfriend). That's the MSM verified info we have (except for the lunchpurse I believe). It's natural to scrutinize the only detailed information given. But I think it's very important to realize that the information we have could be very skewed towards things that don't really mean a whole lot in the grand scope of things. If Holly was abducted by a man who targeted and abducted her for sexual reasons (which is a likely scenario), then most of this stuff being discussed here isn't really that important. In that case what's important is that she was injured, abducted and taken to parts unknown.

I remember when Kristi Cornwell was abducted. Her boyfriend was on the phone with her so for a while he was the focus of sleuthing. He's a bit of an odd duck and what he heard her say ,"don't take me", seemed strange. But it turned out that he had nothing to do with her abduction other than just being on the phone with her.

I don't pretend to know what happened to Holly but I do think it's important to point out that the discussions here are focused on reported information, which is not necessarily the info pertinent to solving her disappearance. I think that's important to keep in mind, and I think doing so is respectful to the family.

Excellent post and great points!

 

[TxLady2]

I must be the oddball, as I find it hard to believe that LE knows a whole lot more than anyone else as to what happened to Holly, save the guilty party (ies). I also get the feeling that Holly's mom does not believe they know much either.

As far as the alleged ex- boyfriend, he seems to be carrying on with his life, no mention of Holly, except once briefly back in mid-April per his FB. Just lots of vulgarity, a few racial implications, nothing out of the ordinary apparently, seems like a real charmer, JMO.

If you mean LE doesn't know who did it, you're probably right, otherwise somebody would be arrested and Holly's whereabouts would be known.
However, I bet they know more details than we do, it's just sorting them out and putting the pieces of the puzzle together. And then again, maybe not.
They may be concentrating all their investigative skills into finding Holly rather than finding WHO did this. Who knows?

It is rather strange that we've heard nothing from the boyfriend. Seems like he would be out front and center looking for her. Maybe he is, in his own way, or maybe he's just not comfortable with speaking out in public. If I was missing, I guarantee you my husband would shy away from cameras and mics. He is not a big talker, and he hates to be put on the spot. He's fine with family or friends, someone he knows but if a reporter shoved a mic in his face, he would clam up and look stupid or just walk away. And people would criticize him and swear he was guilty of something.

 

[mountainguy777]

I'd like to see LE clear the family and Drew. If that happens, where would we shift our focus too? Or who??

 

[TxLady2]

MOO... LE can't or won't officially clear the family because some things just can't be proved, maybe because Clint was the only other person at home and the parents COULD be covering for him... not because he did something to Holly but because he may know something that can't be released to the public just yet. Again, we don't know everything that LE knows or even all the family knows.
There are a lot of factors that go into these investigations that the public is not aware of, and their main goal is to persue the case to a favorable conclusion which is finding Holly and whoever caused her to disappear. Putting someone away for a crime takes a lot of work, it is hardly ever simple. LE may feel that it's not our business to know who is a POI and who has been cleared.
I think it's pointless to even consider Holly's parents as being involved, but that's just me. As for her brother, I'm still on the fence but my gut feeling is, he's as clueless as they are. If this was a stranger abduction, then how are we going to know who to look at? It could be anybody.

 

[Plumeria5]

Hi, Guys. Here is the link where I found the photo.
http://photobucket.com/images/clint bobo/
I don't know when it was taken but did think they looked much younger.

 

[Plumeria5]

Oh, my. Here is another one of Holly in her black gown. Where is Holly?
http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums...o/?action=view&current=hbformal2.jpg&newest=1

 

[Seaturtle]

Hi, Guys. Here is the link where I found the photo.
http://photobucket.com/images/clint bobo/
I don't know when it was taken but did think they looked much younger.

Thanks - I've seen those before and figured that they were taken at 2 different times during the same outing. The one with fewer ducks was earlier morning and colder while the other one included additional kills and the boys had taken off their outerwear. Still looks like they have the same camo clothes on to me though.

 

[NCSleuth]

Don't think it matters, but I looked at the two duck pictures. Obviously same day. First picture with 10 ducks, 2nd picture later in the day with 15 ducks. It was probably later in the day and warmer. Drew had taken off his bib overalls (probably had the jeans on under them) and Clint had taken off his coat. Each one of them has the same shirt in both pictures. Lee's pants are different in 2nd picture, but he might have had bibs on too.

Some of the ducks are obviously the same in each picture.

Anyway, doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but when I first read about the pics, it peaked my interest. I think is just 2 pictures take the same day, hours apart. One hunting trip in the morning and one later on in the day.

 

[~n/t~]

I'd like to see LE clear the family and Drew. If that happens, where would we shift our focus too? Or who??

Her "friends"

 

[Plumeria5]

Her "friends"

I've thought about that scenario. Jealousy? I have wondered if there were several involved in the planning, even girls with the help of their boyfriends.

 

[mountainguy777]

Her "friends"

What about the neighbor? Workers for her Dad?

 

[Plumeria5]

What about the neighbor? Workers for her Dad?

Yes, there could be so many different motives. Disgruntled worker or a feud with a neighbor.
I also have contemplated that it is possible a family member was involved in the planning, but someone
else actually abducted Holly and that is why the events of the morning don't seem to add up.

 

[~n/t~]

What about the neighbor? Workers for her Dad?

Without knowing about the Bobos personal lives except for what has been revealed in MSM, everyone could be a suspect.

But for process of elimination, I would agree with you that family should be ruled out first and then, imo the next ones closest to her would be her friends. I don't know if she has extended family there besides her aunt (Whitney D's mom) and her grandmother. No clue where Whitney D lives or if she has any other cousins.

Immediate family, extended family should be ruled out first and then friends (including ex boyfriends), Clint's friends (??). We seem to hear they were close but I have no idea how many close friends Clint has.

As you can see we really don't know about this family at all except that they are close per Karen and religious.

We don't even know if the 2 RSO who are in jail were ruled out. :banghead:

 

[~n/t~]

I don't believe it was a stranger (someone who just happened to find the Bobo home).

 

[Plumeria5]

I don't believe it was a stranger (someone who just happened to find the Bobo home).

I agree. And besides the 2 RSO that we have discussed another RSO ironically with the same name as JB is registered with his last address about 29 miles straight west of Parsons.