TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[OldSteve]

Been away for a couple of days.... still see things are a mess.
Timeline doesn't make sense.
Actions, reactions that took place don't make sense.
Statements keep changing.

IMO all we really know is that Holly is missing.

 

[Cheyne]

For those of you who have been asking about the hunting aspect of the morning Holly went missing:

Turkey season ran from 2 Apr. through 15 May 2011

Shooting hours are one-half hour before sunrise to sunset daily

Bag limit daily of one bearded turkey, limit 4 bearded turkeys for season

Sunrise at 6:24 am on day Holly disappeared.

Most turkey hunters use a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 3.5 inch 4 shot load. (If there was an archery season only-hunters must use bow and arrow.) Most turkeys are shot at a distance of less than 40 yards.

It takes time and effort to set-up a turkey decoy area. If Drew and his father were hunting on Holly's gma's land, they would have likely been there since an hour or more before sunrise setting-up decoys and blinds. Turkey's have excellent color vision and hearing, so blinds are usually set-up to enable one to get a clean shot. Turkey hunting (or any hunting for that matter) isn't something you do in a couple of minutes. If a "relative" of Holly's had questioned Drew and the "flurry of calls" actually happened around 7:30 am, Drew and his dad would have been finished hunting and in the process of removing blinds/decoys from their hunting spot in order for Drew to be at work by 8:00 am.

Not sure if this helps any, but if you have any more hunting questions, don't be afraid to PM me or ask in this forum.

 

[Chili Fries]

This shows that going back over older news stories can reveal important stuff. The reporter in this video from August 9th says "the TBI cleared Clint Bobo of any involvement in his sister's disappearance".

It's at the 1:35 mark:

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15239639/holly-bobo-family-opens-up-on-openline

I really don't see any reason to implicate the family.



The raw video from that call-in show can be found here:

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15239639/holly-bobo-family-opens-up-on-openline

(you have to work your way back through all of those videos to find it. It's in 2 parts).

 

[Chili Fries]

That raw video of the call-in show is also where Clint confirms that he wasn't supposed to be home that morning (it's in part 1).

 

[nosyone]

Thank you! Everyone has skeletons in their closets, things we just don't talk about and wouldn't want the world to know about. I've always said, be advised... if someone close to you goes missing or ends up dead, your whole life is going to be brought out in the public eye. Everything you have ever done or even thought of doing is going to be looked at very closely. And every word you speak from then on is going to be analyzed, scrutinized and criticized. Everything about your life is going to be under the microscope... your phone records, when and how you pay your bills, what church you go to, where you buy your groceries, if you've ever had an affair and how often you have sex with your spouse. EVERYTHING!

IMO, it's bad enough to have your loved one disappear, it's even worse when you have to endure the gossip and the rumors and the innuendos and the pure speculations that abound in these cases. I can only imagine the misery that the Bobo family is going through now. My heart goes out to them.

Yes, everyone has skeletons in their closet, but when you live in a small town (I know, I was raised in a town of 890) everyone, and I do mean everyone, knows your skeletons, you are scrutinzed, criticized and are under a microscope. But on the other hand, your triumphs, joys and sorrows are shared with those same people, that is just the nature of being from a small town and I wouldn't trade it for ANYTHING. I said all that, to say this, I am fairly certain that everyone in that town has a pretty good idea of what happened to HB and who did it. I am not saying that they know where she is, but I'm sure they have their ideas, including her family. Just my opinion.:twocents:

 

[pittsburghgirl]

That raw video of the call-in show is also where Clint confirms that he wasn't supposed to be home that morning (it's in part 1).

That might be an interesting thing to think about. If someone only tangentially connected to Holly or the family had been stalking her, he might have known the family's usual morning routines and figured Holly was home alone. it also might point to someone who really knew Holly and her family well.

 

[T4Tide]

For those of you who have been asking about the hunting aspect of the morning Holly went missing:

Turkey season ran from 2 Apr. through 15 May 2011

Shooting hours are one-half hour before sunrise to sunset daily

Bag limit daily of one bearded turkey, limit 4 bearded turkeys for season

Sunrise at 6:24 am on day Holly disappeared.

Most turkey hunters use a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 3.5 inch 4 shot load. (If there was an archery season only-hunters must use bow and arrow.) Most turkeys are shot at a distance of less than 40 yards.

It takes time and effort to set-up a turkey decoy area. If Drew and his father were hunting on Holly's gma's land, they would have likely been there since an hour or more before sunrise setting-up decoys and blinds. Turkey's have excellent color vision and hearing, so blinds are usually set-up to enable one to get a clean shot. Turkey hunting (or any hunting for that matter) isn't something you do in a couple of minutes. If a "relative" of Holly's had questioned Drew and the "flurry of calls" actually happened around 7:30 am, Drew and his dad would have been finished hunting and in the process of removing blinds/decoys from their hunting spot in order for Drew to be at work by 8:00 am.

Not sure if this helps any, but if you have any more hunting questions, don't be afraid to PM me or ask in this forum.

On the other hand, my husband is an avid turkey hunter (and I've got a freezer full of the crap to prove it... blech!) and he NEVER ever uses a blind, decoy, or any other material to turkey hunt but him, a gun, a turkey call, and camo. That's all it really takes. He also goes between 4am and dusk. After the sun comes up, it's really over. You can also hunt at dusk. I mean, you can hunt all day, but it's really useless outside those time frames.

 

[houndstooth]

Don't think it matters, but I looked at the two duck pictures. Obviously same day. First picture with 10 ducks, 2nd picture later in the day with 15 ducks. It was probably later in the day and warmer. Drew had taken off his bib overalls (probably had the jeans on under them) and Clint had taken off his coat. Each one of them has the same shirt in both pictures. Lee's pants are different in 2nd picture, but he might have had bibs on too.

Some of the ducks are obviously the same in each picture.

Anyway, doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but when I first read about the pics, it peaked my interest. I think is just 2 pictures take the same day, hours apart. One hunting trip in the morning and one later on in the day.

I disagree. They do look like they were taken at the same time, not one morning and one evening. But, yet they are not wearing the same camo.
The idea was also to get people to really examine photos.
It didn't strike you as "odd" that the photos of Clint don't look anything
like Clint? That in one he's actually the "Big" guy?

It didn't make you in the least curious about a photo that is purportedly of Holly that makes her "appear" like she is much younger because in truth, though the girl in the same green shirt as she wears in the Amber Alert car photo and has blond hair, that is where the similarities ends for me. Her facial features do not resemble Holly that I have seen in many photos.
Clint also appears younger, but with the two girls in the middle being shown in the video from this the winter of 2010, looking almost exactly the same age range as this summer photo, you know it 'isn't really from when they were much younger.

But, considering I got no one really seeing what I see about them, I won't bother with the other photo discrepancies.


The fact is for me, the story seems to be deceptive that morning and since I do not believe Clint was hiding foul play, I decided to try to get a handle on just when the deception might have started. It is evident in photographs.

I think the group shot is indeed intended to appear like it was done maybe years ago. Why? Because I think they wanted to try to establish a history with some of these people. I already told what I thought about the video!

The ID of the girl next to Holly in the 'summer camp' photo, is the driver of the car and the faller down in class girl, from what I gather, named variously
Britney, Brittainy, Brittney B. How can you follow up such a common last name to start with and a first name nobody can seem to agree on?

I am honestly surprised that no one else looked at the pictures and found them strange. Not even the one of the photo of the photograph of "Holly, Clint and Rascal". Because it too, is problematic.

 

[Plumeria5]

I disagree. They do look like they were taken at the same time, not one morning and one evening. But, yet they are not wearing the same camo.
The idea was also to get people to really examine photos.
It didn't strike you as "odd" that the photos of Clint don't look anything
like Clint? That in one he's actually the "Big" guy?

It didn't make you in the least curious about a photo that is purportedly of Holly that makes her "appear" like she is much younger because in truth, though the girl in the same green shirt as she wears in the Amber Alert car photo and has blond hair, that is where the similarities ends for me. Her facial features do not resemble Holly that I have seen in many photos.
Clint also appears younger, but with the two girls in the middle being shown in the video from this the winter of 2010, looking almost exactly the same age range as this summer photo, you know it 'isn't really from when they were much younger.

But, considering I got no one really seeing what I see about them, I won't bother with the other photo discrepancies.


The fact is for me, the story seems to be deceptive that morning and since I do not believe Clint was hiding foul play, I decided to try to get a handle on just when the deception might have started. It is evident in photographs.

I think the group shot is indeed intended to appear like it was done maybe years ago. Why? Because I think they wanted to try to establish a history with some of these people. I already told what I thought about the video!

The ID of the girl next to Holly in the 'summer camp' photo, is the driver of the car and the faller down in class girl, from what I gather, named variously
Britney, Brittainy, Brittney B. How can you follow up such a common last name to start with and a first name nobody can seem to agree on?

I am honestly surprised that no one else looked at the pictures and found them strange. Not even the one of the photo of the photograph of "Holly, Clint and Rascal". Because it too, is problematic.

BBM Are you referring to the words on the frame and the reference to angels?

Oops...I guess the biblical quote is "eagles" not angels. Or is it because they labeled it Clint but it is Drew?

 

[Hippy Chick]

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BBM Are you referring to the words on the frame and the reference to angels?

Oops...I guess the biblical quote is "eagles" not angels. Or is it because they labeled it Clint but it is Drew?

it looks like drew to me:waitasec:

 

[Plumeria5]

it looks like drew to me:waitasec:

Yes, it is Drew. At first many photos were labeled as Clint when it was Drew.
It was quite a while before I ever saw a picture of Holly's brother, Clint.

 

[houndstooth]

Respectfully snipped to save space. I am interested in your perspective although not quite sure I fully understand. I have found various photos to be interesting as well - but for different reasons. This has nothing to do with the case specifically - it just relates to understanding the local culture and context.

Until you pointed out this group picture of Holly, I had not seen it before nor had I seen any pictures of her without full makeup or that wonderful movie star smile. I have noticed that not only Holly but many of her closest girl friends give the appearance through their photos of always being perfectly "put together". It is obvious they take great care in their appearance and are particularly careful in how they are captured and portrayed in photos. I get the sense that it is an expected and somewhat competitive norm among this group of friends.

The boys on the other hand are a very different story. I have never before seen such an ingrained "hunting" culture in a group of young people. I am a female from a very southern family and have been around hunting and fishing all of my life. (I learned both from my Mom and continue to be an avid fisherwoman to this day). My reason for sharing this is that I "know" hunting culture and for the young men of this community, it goes well beyond anything I have ever seen or heard of before. This is NOT a judgment - just an observation.

So back to what I see in the photos. Where the "showniness" of the girls' photos may come across as overly put together or posed (like magazines or red carpets), the "huntiness" of the boys' photos comes across equally odd and posed. I want to use the term "staged" although I don't really mean faked. I think they just don't ring true to many of us because they are so outside our cultural norms. Does that make any sense to anyone else?

Oh I get the odd sort of stagy quality of the photos, alright. And yes, there are a few downright fakes that have been CLEARLY photoshopped thrown in for good measure. What I just DON"T clearly understand at all, is WHY they were done.

Yes, the hunting camo shots seem as much like photo shoots, in their way, of the guys as some of the glamour shot quality of the girls (Holly, mostly, of course). In a bang you over the head with it kind of way, if you know what I mean.

And yes, I know hunting, too. And no, these don't ring true.

As for Holly, here is one thing, I noticed right off the bat though.
In all her photos she takes, she has on turquoise eyeshadow. Now everything else about her makeup and hair seems professional most of the time. But, any girl who presumably is following fashion and make-up and such (as she appears to) would KNOW that the turquoise eyeshadow is all wrong. Yet, it seems like it's used for the express purpose of giving the impression that her makeup is NOT being professionally done. It's been considered so gauche ever since the 1960s when I was a kid, before I became a teenager even, that it is practically a joke these days. [Punchline being: see a small town girl in Tenn. doesn't know this, by whomever is trying to "spin" this].
That is by no means all I see but, just something that crosses my mind every time I see a pic of her, that "doesn't ring true somehow".

Now, I have a very, VERY hard time trying to articulate all this. As you could probably tell by my previous attempts.

But, in the same way that the guy photos are meant to portray they practically LIVE in camo, the same seems to be true of the Holly photos, going overboard trying to make them not seem "staged", yet that is the underlying impression that I get. That there is INTENT behind every one of them.

In the end, the true impression I have is Clint is not the type of guy who goes hunting all the time and wears camo.
And Holly is not just taking random shots of herself 15 times a day either.
And the girls in town do NOT go around coiffed and made up like they just stepped out of Vogue. This is not just the normal culture of Parsons.

But, it is the photoshops that seal the deal that there is indeed something up with the storyline surrounding this event that has been sold to the public.

I could tell myself my instincts were wrong about the appearances and impressions they give off otherwise, if not for those.

 

[Darcyline]

I guess if these photos are staged most of my life is staged right now. I lived in rural Georgia for awhile and I literally have tons of facebook friends who have tons of albums that look much like every photo we have seen. All of the girls are bleached very blonde, wear tacky make-up. Guys pose for tons of pictures with things they killed. One of them went on an African hunting trip recently and I got lovely pictures all over my newsfeed of him and his friends posing behind dead things like zebras and antelopes like a photoshoot and then pictures of him at night with his bleached blonde girlfriend who wears too much make-up. While grossing me out, I never thought "fake" necessarily.

This thread has turned even more bizarre to me than the actual case so I think perhaps my time in here is done barring future progressions. However, I will leave with saying Holly is a person. Holly is a person who deserves to be found. Something bad happened to her. I don't know who did the bad or why the bad happened or the exact nature of the bad, but I won't forget her face until some sort of resolution occurs.

 

[MsFacetious]

I am also an analyzer of pictures, being a photographer... and I have noticed some odd things about pictures too.
Though I come from an area of "fake" pictures and "staged" pictures. Many people don't have any other KIND of pictures.

The eyeshadow wasn't one of the things that was odd to me.

At Holly's age.... (a whopping 5 years or so ago) I had purple hair. Purple.
Yep... and I am SERIOUSLY... considering doing it again.
With my family's pressure! They tell me it is "me."
They say that I am about the only one who could "pull that off and make it look good." :waitasec:

I also had purple eyeshadow, purple, blue or green mascara and purple contacts.

What if Holly just liked turquoise eyeshadow?

That was my first thought... was that this girl seems really well put together all the time... but "hey, look at her eyeshadow!
She is about the only person who could pull that off and make it look good!" :seeya:

Maybe I'm just too weird and too close to Holly's age to see the problem with the eyeshadow... lol :waitasec:

Oh I get the odd sort of stagy quality of the photos, alright. And yes, there are a few downright fakes that have been CLEARLY photoshopped thrown in for good measure. What I just DON"T clearly understand at all, is WHY they were done.

Yes, the hunting camo shots seem as much like photo shoots, in their way, of the guys as some of the glamour shot quality of the girls (Holly, mostly, of course). In a bang you over the head with it kind of way, if you know what I mean.

And yes, I know hunting, too. And no, these don't ring true.

As for Holly, here is one thing, I noticed right off the bat though.
In all her photos she takes, she has on turquoise eyeshadow. Now everything else about her makeup and hair seems professional most of the time. But, any girl who presumably is following fashion and make-up and such (as she appears to) would KNOW that the turquoise eyeshadow is all wrong. Yet, it seems like it's used for the express purpose of giving the impression that her makeup is NOT being professionally done. It's been considered so gauche ever since the 1960s when I was a kid, before I became a teenager even, that it is practically a joke these days. [Punchline being: see a small town girl in Tenn. doesn't know this, by whomever is trying to "spin" this].
That is by no means all I see but, just something that crosses my mind every time I see a pic of her, that "doesn't ring true somehow".

Now, I have a very, VERY hard time trying to articulate all this. As you could probably tell by my previous attempts.

But, in the same way that the guy photos are meant to portray they practically LIVE in camo, the same seems to be true of the Holly photos, going overboard trying to make them not seem "staged", yet that is the underlying impression that I get. That there is INTENT behind every one of them.

In the end, the true impression I have is Clint is not the type of guy who goes hunting all the time and wears camo.
And Holly is not just taking random shots of herself 15 times a day either.
And the girls in town do NOT go around coiffed and made up like they just stepped out of Vogue. This is not just the normal culture of Parsons.

But, it is the photoshops that seal the deal that there is indeed something up with the storyline surrounding this event that has been sold to the public.

I could tell myself my instincts were wrong about the appearances and impressions they give off otherwise, if not for those.

 

[docwho3]

In any case you can get the fringe posts but I just try to look beyond
those & pay attention to the ones that make good sense.
Even if I disagree with the sensible people from time to time I still pay
attention to their posts & sometimes I see a point raised that I should
have given more consideration.
Really bright people sometimes have poor people skills so it often isn't
easy to look past the flaws to actually see the validity of the point in
the post.

In this case:
It does indeed seem that a crime has occurred. I believe
that to be likely based on past cases read about here at WS.
I could say exactly why I think a crime has occurred but to do so
would possibly give aid to those who want to disappear and
make their departure appear to have been a crime.

Even though I believe a crime has occured in this case I
cannot rule out other outcomes. I do not have enough
information & probably will not have enough information
during this case.

I do think the perp has something to hide from besides
a trespassing charge otherwise he could have just ran away
without harming anyone.

I think her stuff having been left behind 8 miles from home
says she is not coming back home alive. (I would really love
to be proven wrong about this.)

I have no way of knowing where or if a body will be found but
if she is not found several states away then perhaps 35 to 50 minutes
drive time away. Not something I know a bunch about but just bits
of previous WS cases have stuck in my mind where stuff was
dumped out and the remains of the person was found about that far
away IIRC.

I think the fact that he did not take her away in her own vehicle
says he brought his own transportation & was confident of making
it to his transportation with his captive or felt forced by circumstances
to take her on foot to his vehicle. It might also tell us more
but I need to think on that aspect of things a bit longer.

Now that this perp has done this thing how will he conduct
himself in the future?

 

[~n/t~]

doc, why do you think the perp would take an injured or dead Holly into the woods and not just leave her there?

 

[docwho3]

doc, why do you think the perp would take an
injured or dead Holly into the woods and not just leave her there?

I will try to explain my thoughts but please keep in mind that I am
not any sort of expert in this field and am only putting forth thoughts
based on previous cases I have read.

Depends on what you mean by 'into the woods'. I do not say he can not
have left her in a wooded area but I just gave an estimated drivetime
distance.
Whether he took her to his home to dispose of her or a wooded area
is something I don't know.

If her body was not found within a couple of miles of home (which it was
not) and her stuff was found 8 miles from home as news reports claim
then past cases that I remember pieces of seem to suggest to me
that if her remains are not found near her stuff then her remains (if found)
will be even farther away.

I think from the time of the event it was daylight. I think the decision
to kill her was made from the time she came out of her door.
He has some reason that he feels he can not afford to be brought to
the attention of LE. even if it means killing someone to prevent that.
He can not afford to release an injured person in the woods and
can't allow the body to be found too soon either.
But you know a search will be made near the home and a body being
found does at least 2 bad things:
1. The body can leave behind evidence of the perp.
2. It allows the slow manpower-eating searching close to her home to end
and the search for the perp can spring forward faster and farther afield.
Once a body is found the perp is wanted for murder.
He does not want to be found or Id'd so it is in his best interest
if the body is not found right away (and from his thinking not found at all.)

Leaving her body behind close to home in the woods to be found works
against him.

Note: I have refrained from mentioning any sexual reasons for
a perp wanting to take her farther away before killing her as I think
it was not the reason she was killed & those possibilities do not
really need to be explained.

 

[houndstooth]

Ms. Facetious, I hope you can elaborate on what YOU found odd in the photos as well.

The eyeshadow comments were not meant to be taken as a commentary on grooming habits. It was a peculiarity as much as the tendency to cut off the top of Drew's head in every photo, along with having some other photo descrepancies regarding HIS height as well as Clint's. In my mind.

It was an effort to explain to other posters who might not have any prior knowledge of
photoshopping, to find an area at all that might resonate with them enough to stop looking at all the photos of this case and start THINKING about all the photos in this case, and then comparing them for consistency, composition, and context. And if they can come to spot the photoshops and crops, all the better.

There are 471 at Cranky's. More than any I can recall for other cases.

If I appear foolish in other's eyes for my insistence in this tack. So be it.

 

[mountainguy777]

Hmmmm....since clint and drew look similar, when clint says "I thought holly was walking with drew", it really means something because he knows what drew looks like due to similarities to himself.

Make sense?

 

[houndstooth]

Hmmmm....since clint and drew look similar, when clint says "I thought holly was walking with drew", it really means something because he knows what drew looks like due to similarities to himself.

Make sense?

MoutainGuy I think you might have a "Clew". Thanks.