TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[goodgirl65]

I live in the country, and I can say this, it would depend on which house the scream came from as to weather I would investigate. If it came from an elderly couples house, yes, but a house with kids, no way. Its just the way kids make so much noise you don't even hear screams anymore. Also, the further it is away, the less likely I would be to investigate. You can't be as sure of what you hear at 300 feet away in a big open space or a big woods...This part makes sense to me...It even seams alittle odd and out of the way for the women to drive over and check, in my experience country folks tend to live and let live more than a city.

bbm

Holly is 21 and Clint is 25, hardly "kids"...Unless you mean that in the generic sense of anyone under 30 is a kid, lol

 

[~n/t~]

The neighbor driving over to the house and calling Holly's mom does tend to lend some creedence to the theory that there was a known threat against Holly. JMO

Why? Personally, I think it's human nature to go check out a scream especially if it's something that's never happened before at your neighbour's home. The son not going is puzzling. What I'd like to know is why the neighbour called Karen at school? How did she know the scream wasn't Karen? Did she call the home first? If she did, why didn't Clint answer the phone? Why did she have to drive over there to alert Clint?

Was Clint home? The $85,000 question.

 

[Plumeria5]

Why? Personally, I think it's human nature to go check out a scream especially if it's something that's never happened before at your neighbour's home. The son not going is puzzling. What I'd like to know is why the neighbour called Karen at school? How did she know the scream wasn't Karen? Did she call the home first? If she did, why didn't Clint answer the phone? Why did she have to drive over there to alert Clint?

Was Clint home? The $85,000 question.

All of these are very good questions. If she did call the Bobos and got no answer, then maybe Clint said he was still sleeping and didn't hear the phone? I'm glad I'm a light sleeper.

 

[OldSteve]

The neighbor driving over to the house and calling Holly's mom does tend to lend some creedence to the theory that there was a known threat against Holly. JMO

Yes, I feel the same way - so much (reaction-wise) of what took place amongst the mothers leads to my thinking that they had some kind of suspicion or there was gossip about a threat in the area.
It would be the kind of gossip that mothers are more attune to than the men...

 

[Montjoy]

This shows that going back over older news stories can reveal important stuff. The reporter in this video from August 9th says "the TBI cleared Clint Bobo of any involvement in his sister's disappearance".

It's at the 1:35 mark:

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15239639/holly-bobo-family-opens-up-on-openline

I really don't see any reason to implicate the family.



The raw video from that call-in show can be found here:

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15239639/holly-bobo-family-opens-up-on-openline

(you have to work your way back through all of those videos to find it. It's in 2 parts).

I just wanted to bump this post and its links.

 

[~n/t~]

Yes, I feel the same way - so much (reaction-wise) of what took place amongst the mothers leads to my thinking that they had some kind of suspicion or there was gossip about a threat in the area.
It would be the kind of gossip that mothers are more attune to than the men...

Would you agree that if there was a threat to women in the area that the men (especially family, neighbours and friends) would be on high alert?

Gossip is one thing but a real threat? Women would keep that to themselves?:waitasec:

 

[~n/t~]

I just wanted to bump this post and its links.

Perhaps you missed these 2 links. The first is directly from the TBI director

Nobody ruled out in Holly Bobo investigation - YouTube

and this one a quote from Special Agent John Mehr:

Mehr said it is the policy of the TBI not to release information about an investigation until it has been solved. He also said no one is cleared as a suspect until the case is solved

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111013/NEWS25/110130314

 

[Eyehavehope]

Respectfully snipped for space
A few examples, you can't get out in front of cameras because you can't even get off the bed. You're very weak because you have not slept, and you cannot eat. Not a bite. You can't stand up for any length of time. Seeing Holly's mom collapse in Dana's arms, shows that she was experiencing excruciating emotional pain.
You can't stop crying. Loud. Sometimes you get to a point where you are "dry crying." The body simply stops producing the tears.
And sometimes a sound is made like waiyling, and even animal sounds. I don't know how to describe it.


The thing to remember, is that they will not act normal, because their life is not normal.

My heart aches for them.

Well said. Reading that description made me feel sick. I cannot imagine the deep gut wrenching pain that they are going through. My heart aches as well.

~Praying for a break. Please Holly, be found safe soon~

 

[Wonless]

bbm

Holly is 21 and Clint is 25, hardly "kids"...Unless you mean that in the generic sense of anyone under 30 is a kid, lol

I mean in the sense that the Bobo children lived near the people in question for some time as far as we know, and they have the pool, and they are popular kids, IMO it wouldn't be unusual it the country where they didn't have to be quite that they screamed and carried on in a loud fashion all the time. That is just my experience of young people with similar circumstances. It could be also that they were not loud normally and a scream would have been really unusual, but my closet neighbor is about the same distance away, and I think it would have to be really something in order to get me alarmed, based on the kind of noise I normally hear...does that make sense?

 

[~n/t~]

I mean in the sense that the Bobo children lived near the people in question for some time as far as we know, and they have the pool, and they are popular kids, IMO it wouldn't be unusual it the country where they didn't have to be quite that they screamed and carried on in a loud fashion all the time. That is just my experience of young people with similar circumstances. It could be also that they were not loud normally and a scream would have been really unusual, but my closet neighbor is about the same distance away, and I think it would have to be really something in order to get me alarmed, based on the kind of noise I normally hear...does that make sense?

Which makes it all the more puzzling that the neighbour (male) didn't go to the Bobo home himself. The Bobos don't come across as the rowdy, partying, loud neighbours. If the scream did happen, he was right out there getting into his car on his way to work. WTH? He then calls his mom from his cell to tell her about it?

What did he tell her? Hey mom you forgot to make my lunch oh and by the way, I heard a scream from the Bobo home. Go check it out and after you're done there can you drive by work and drop off my lunch. Thanks for breakfast but you burnt the pancakes :innocent:

 

[cluciano63]

I wish the residents of the town would somehow put some pressure on LE to let them know what is going on...I understand that LE has been telling Holly's parents that they don't have any obligation to do so, but I would think a small town would be absolutely consumed by this type of traumatic event and desperate for information after six months. LE needs to do a "town hall" or something...JMO

 

[Plumeria5]

I mean in the sense that the Bobo children lived near the people in question for some time as far as we know, and they have the pool, and they are popular kids, IMO it wouldn't be unusual it the country where they didn't have to be quite that they screamed and carried on in a loud fashion all the time. That is just my experience of young people with similar circumstances. It could be also that they were not loud normally and a scream would have been really unusual, but my closet neighbor is about the same distance away, and I think it would have to be really something in order to get me alarmed, based on the kind of noise I normally hear...does that make sense?

If it were the middle of the afternoon with temperatures soaring, maybe I could see not being as alarmed by a scream. It was 7:40 am (or so we are told) with temperatures hovering in the low 40s. I do think there could have been a scream if someone tried to get into the pool during those temperatures. :woohoo:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I mean in the sense that the Bobo children lived near the people in question for some time as far as we know, and they have the pool, and they are popular kids, IMO it wouldn't be unusual it the country where they didn't have to be quite that they screamed and carried on in a loud fashion all the time. That is just my experience of young people with similar circumstances. It could be also that they were not loud normally and a scream would have been really unusual, but my closet neighbor is about the same distance away, and I think it would have to be really something in order to get me alarmed, based on the kind of noise I normally hear...does that make sense?

Respectfully Wonless, NO, I do not think your comment makes sense, perhaps it is the way it is worded. On one hand you say the "children" could always be very noisy and scream frequently, not prompting an alarming response from the neighbor. Then you say they may Not have be "loud" normally and the scream still would not alarm the neighbor.

So it would seem if You were their neighbor "at no time " would you feel the need to concern yourself with a Scream, and that's ok, that is you, but I find that reasoning difficult to accept on the part of most people.

No way, No how--a scream alarming enough to cause one to notify another should have been dismissed without some investigation by the neighbor who heard it. They live 350 yrds away. He probably passes their house on the way to work? If he did not want to do that, then at least go in his house tell his mom, and wait with her while she makes a few calls to check it out. Then if it really seems like something is wrong--both should go over. Why does he relinquish ALL responsibility to his mother, even allowing her to go over to their house alone. WTH kind of man just dumps something like that on his mother to take care of.

As you said "country does things differently", they keep to themselves? I find it hard to believe a "religious based community like Parson's" doesn't look after their own. MOO The scream and EVERTHING about it is off.


N/T had an interesting observation. Why did the neighbor call Karen first? Why wouldn't she have tried to reach someone at the house first to see if everything was ok? If she did call the house , why did that phone call not wake Clint before 7:50?

 

[Darcyline]

I don't think the scream reactions are that strange at all. It is still stranger to me that Clint somehow didn't hear it. I don't know if it is because we are on Websleuths or what, but people rarely interpret random noises as real danger in the real world because 90% of the time everything is ok. Every random scream I have heard in the past few years has been explained in some easy way-kids, my next door neighbor's boyfriend being a jerk and jumping out from behind a tree to scare her, someone seeing a spider, etc. I feel like everyone thinks some major conspiracy has to be happening because this dude should have immediately felt direct danger and raced at top speed over to the Bobos. I see it more going this way-
Dude needs to get to work
Hears a random scream-there are tons of rational explanations for a random scream so immediately goes to that.
But it usually IS quiet and something about the scream sits wrong with him-the nagging maybe everything isn't ok feeling.
But he also has to get to work and he is sure everything is probably ok, right?
But what if its not? Oh well, I will just call/tell my mom and maybe she can call over there. Man, work seems busy today.
Then the Mom (which...come on, what Mom out there isn't a bit nosier/more easily alarmed than a random man?) maybe calls to see what is up and then when things seem a bit off decides to drive on over. At this point, both of them are probably not thinking "OMG MASKED DANGEROUS MAN IS ATTACKING HOLLY" hence a seeming lack of urgency, just calling around, or "letting" the mom drive over.

I have literally had a similar thought process happen a million times. Like, I sort of thought I heard some of my neighbor's lifestock making funny noises, but it was probably nothing, but does he keep them locked up during the day? Oh god I am late for work, oh well, I better call someone just to make sure with my luck all his animals will be dead or something if I don't.

I mean, I do think it is better to check things out rather than ignore them, but personally I cannot tell you how many times I have heard an indeterminate noise of some sort and just assumed everything was ok because it wasn't clearly a distress I need help noise.

Of course, I am also running under the assumption that the scream was not blood curdling ones of someone being killed. I think Holly was startled by someone or something (which would explain even an accident scenario if someone accidentally shot her). A startled oh CRAP didn't see you there scream probably sounds much more ambiguous than I am being stabbed to death screams.

 

[OldSteve]

Would you agree that if there was a threat to women in the area that the men (especially family, neighbours and friends) would be on high alert?

Gossip is one thing but a real threat? Women would keep that to themselves?:waitasec:

Agree! So what I'm saying is perhaps, and just perhaps , it was something gossiped about... but once something happened the women equated it to what was being gossiped about...
Now I'm making some assumptions here - I don't know if the women gossiped or not. I don't know if the men paid attention or not...
So, guess I'm really saying nothing the more I think about it... Oh well, nothing is really all there is at this point.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

:deadhorse::deadhorse:

I don't think the scream reactions are that strange at all. It is still stranger to me that Clint somehow didn't hear it. I don't know if it is because we are on Websleuths or what, but people rarely interpret random noises as real danger in the real world because 90% of the time everything is ok. Every random scream I have heard in the past few years has been explained in some easy way-kids, my next door neighbor's boyfriend being a jerk and jumping out from behind a tree to scare her, someone seeing a spider, etc. I feel like everyone thinks some major conspiracy has to be happening because this dude should have immediately felt direct danger and raced at top speed over to the Bobos. I see it more going this way-
Dude needs to get to work
Hears a random scream-there are tons of rational explanations for a random scream so immediately goes to that.
But it usually IS quiet and something about the scream sits wrong with him-the nagging maybe everything isn't ok feeling.
But he also has to get to work and he is sure everything is probably ok, right?
But what if its not? Oh well, I will just call/tell my mom and maybe she can call over there. Man, work seems busy today.
Then the Mom (which...come on, what Mom out there isn't a bit nosier/more easily alarmed than a random man?) maybe calls to see what is up and then when things seem a bit off decides to drive on over. At this point, both of them are probably not thinking "OMG MASKED DANGEROUS MAN IS ATTACKING HOLLY" hence a seeming lack of urgency, just calling around, or "letting" the mom drive over.

I have literally had a similar thought process happen a million times. Like, I sort of thought I heard some of my neighbor's lifestock making funny noises, but it was probably nothing, but does he keep them locked up during the day? Oh god I am late for work, oh well, I better call someone just to make sure with my luck all his animals will be dead or something if I don't.

I mean, I do think it is better to check things out rather than ignore them, but personally I cannot tell you how many times I have heard an indeterminate noise of some sort and just assumed everything was ok because it wasn't clearly a distress I need help noise.

Of course, I am also running under the assumption that the scream was not blood curdling ones of someone being killed. I think Holly was startled by someone or something (which would explain even an accident scenario if someone accidentally shot her). A startled oh CRAP didn't see you there scream probably sounds much more ambiguous than I am being stabbed to death screams.

Not trying to :deadhorse: and I understand what you are saying about the reaction to a "scream" in general. This scream had already been interpreted by the neighbors son, apparently as one of "distress", as indicated by his "concern" to inform someone.

I am just trying to say, "once the determination" of the scream was made, the following actions and reactions of the neighbors are puzzling?:waitasec:

MOO!

 

[TxLady2]

mag84, thank you for your replies, and especially for the timeline. This is the one I lost.

As I have read further since my post on what I think may have happened, some of the posts here, have brought up a few more possible scenerios in my mind. None of them involves mom, dad, or brother.

Some of the things that some of the folks have done in this case defy logic to me. The man not stopping to check on Holly himself is the worst one.

What does ring true to me is the way the family has acted, and will continue to act.

From personal experience, I can tell you that for almost every thing that would be thought to have been done one way, the family will do the exact opposite. On almost every thing.

A few examples, you can't get out in front of cameras because you can't even get off the bed. You're very weak because you have not slept, and you cannot eat. Not a bite. You can't stand up for any length of time. Seeing Holly's mom collapse in Dana's arms, shows that she was experiencing excruciating emotional pain.
You can't stop crying. Loud. Sometimes you get to a point where you are "dry crying." The body simply stops producing the tears.
And sometimes a sound is made like waiyling, and even animal sounds. I don't know how to describe it.

You have the attention span of a zebra finch, can't string a sentence in proper order, you slump in the chair the way they did on tv recently. You can barely speak for grief, and trying to not bust out crying. You look down, because you are remembering that she is not here where she should be, and the pain is killing you.
In that last tv interview, they barely spoke. They're still exhausted, they are forlorn, and likely heavily medicated by physician.

The thing to remember, is that they will not act normal, because their life is not normal.

My heart aches for them.

Very good post!! I think we all need to remember this, because in just about every case we read so many differing opinions on the family's actions and what they should be doing or not be doing.
Every family reacts differently in these situations, but no one acts normal. If they do, then that's when they should be criticized and analyzed because I guarantee you that parents who go through this are NOT going to be normal for a long time, unless their child comes home alive and well.
As for the other people outside the family, I don't think we should judge them, either. What one person would do in reaction to a scream may not be what we would do, but that's human nature. There are a lot of factors to consider that we just don't know about. Speculating is fine, but judging someone based on what we would do is not fair. He doesn't owe us an explanation, so if he can live with it, so can I.

 

[Darcyline]

Do you have the exact quote of the neighbor calling it a distress or distressing scream? Thanks in advance! There are so many different versions floating around that I don't think I have ever heard that part before.

 

[~n/t~]

Agree! So what I'm saying is perhaps, and just perhaps , it was something gossiped about... but once something happened the women equated it to what was being gossiped about...
Now I'm making some assumptions here - I don't know if the women gossiped or not. I don't know if the men paid attention or not...
So, guess I'm really saying nothing the more I think about it... Oh well, nothing is really all there is at this point.

We have something but even something is nothing in this case. :crazy:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Do you have the exact quote of the neighbor calling it a distress or distressing scream? Thanks in advance! There are so many different versions floating around that I don't think I have ever heard that part before.

OK, I'm not doing very well am I--LOL!

There is "no direct quote"----I only used the word distress to describe a "scream" that bothered him enough to report it to his mother. I think I am unable to explain my thought here though, so it is really not that important.