TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[Soulmagent]

Because LE thought that the offender had already moved from the area, and they were combing for clues?

(I posted much the same opinion in an early thread.)

Except LE thinking the offender left wouldnt be considered a safe move for them to advance volunteers in with. They would have to know he was not in the area any longer.

The area would have to be secured ,even before medical personal could enter the scene.

They already have evidence of this person harming a person with makes the suspect dangerous. So did they make any arrest on some other charges prior to sending people in the woods ? Did they think they had their suspect already?

 

[concentric]

Have we ever heard if the blond hairs found on that duct tape on the side of the road are from Holly?

I would guess that information has never been released.

 

[Oriah]

There were numerous theories put forth in earlier threads re: obsessed stranger or obsessed acquaintance abduction.

The fact remains that: We don't have the details. We probably never will have the details.

I still think the family should hire a good P.I. And we've recommended 2 who we know have demonstrated integrity and persistence. That would be the only way to really dig in there and ferret out the information.

That's JMO.

Not sure I understand this post. :waitasec:
Who are 'we' ?
Do we know that the Bobo family has NOT hired a PI?

Please explain more?
TIA...

 

[Oriah]

BTW, I think some of us here were shocked early on when so many hundreds of volunteer searchers were used in the initial search. IMO, this was a major botch. Planted evidence was the result.

Where did the 'planted evidence' come from?

I need a link. I think that is based entirely on rumor, and poor reporting.

Thanks to anyone who has a LE link that states there was evidence 'planted' anywhere.

 

[~n/t~]

Where did the 'planted evidence' come from?

I need a link. I think that is based entirely on rumor, and poor reporting.

Thanks to anyone who has a LE link that states there was evidence 'planted' anywhere.

IIRC, in one of the interviews Dana Bobo speculated that he felt the lunch box was planted in the location it was found to throw off LE.

I'll try to locate a link when I get home later.

 

[shefner]

It takes hundreds of volunteers to clear an area. It is a huge world out there. After seeing such a search in progress it doesnt seem so shocking.

What I dont understand is why they let volunteers in while there was an offender roaming the woods. I wondered if they picked up a suspect before the search was in progress.

It is a huge world, no doubt. But there were two options:

1. The perp was on foot.
If the perp was on foot, he and Holly could not have been very far. We have been told Clint saw them "enter" the woods around 7:50-7:55. LE arrived around 8:00 and within moments there were dozens of residents in the Bobo's yard. Dana Bobo said that LE did not pursue the perp right away but instead waited for up to a couple hours to decide what to do. In the meantime, Clint was working to keep people away to "preserve any evidence." Well, with help like this, who needs enemies? Karen tried to run into the woods but was stopped.
If an immediate search was instigated by qualified officials, I think the chances would be higher that something might have been found...IF the perp took Holly into the woods. After all, the perp and Holly only had a 10 minute lead on LE at most. If Clint had followed with his weapon, that lead would have been seconds, instead of minutes. Either way, the lack of timely pursuit was costly.

2. The perp was in a vehicle.
This is most likely. Yet no road blocks were issued....not for several days anyway. This would be Law Enforcement 101. Quick, intelligent thinking would say, "We are only 10 minutes behind this perp.....block the major roads." Also, considering how quickly LE and general bystanders arrived, the perp (with Holly, in tow) in his vehicle, would have very likely have been passed by those rushing to the scene. Once again, lack of clear, concise and immediate LE tactics were costly.

 

[cfreyja23]

In response to n/t and Oriah:

It was during the interview with Jane Velez-Mitchell with CNN.
Mr. Bobo said: "Yes, they did tell us -- after a few weeks they did tell us that that blood did belong to our daughter. And as far as the lunch bag found that far away and some more stuff, I believe that was just more likely thrown out for a decoy. Might be to lead them away from where that really went, maybe."

Here's the link to the transcript:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

 

[cfreyja23]

Sorry, Oriah, I realized you were looking for a quote from LE. I don't recall seeing one.

 

[shefner]

IIRC, in one of the interviews Dana Bobo speculated that he felt the lunch box was planted in the location it was found to throw off LE.

I'll try to locate a link when I get home later.

Here is one link where Dana says he thinks the lunch box was planted.http://www.thefocusonfacts.com/2011/08/happened-holly-bobo/

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

The way this crime went down has always bothered me:

--in broad daylight!
--On the victims turf
--On the One day her brother was home
--hunting season w/ hunters all over the place
--risk the vehicle for abduction being scene by anyone
Geez! Doesn't that seem downright stupid?

I mean --Nighttime, Mall parking lot--end of story, right?

Although they did get away with it. Luck ? or ineptness by the first responders?

 

[shefner]

Dang....reliving this incident, second by second, is very challenging.

I am trying to imagine Holly being injured to the point of bleeding, dropping her Coke can, but carrying her lunch bag and willingly walking into the woods with this perp. We also know other items were found, although LE has not indicated what those items were. I have heard (so consider this rumor) the items included paper and perhaps pages from school books. We have also heard the rumor of the cell phone being recovered but we're not sure about any of this. Even so, Holly or perp carried the lunch bag and the other items with them as they left. So, Holly dropped her Coke can but not these other items....or the perp picked them up and took them as they left. Can't wrap my mind around this scenario.

 

[shefner]

The way this crime went down has always bothered me:

--in broad daylight!
--On the victims turf
--On the One day her brother was home
--hunting season w/ hunters all over the place
--risk the vehicle for abduction being scene by anyone
Geez! Doesn't that seem downright stupid?

I mean --Nighttime, Mall parking lot--end of story, right?

Although they did get away with it. Luck ? or ineptness by the first responders?

Yes, it does seem downright stupid. Screams to me: Young, cocky male.

ETA: Hope this isn't offensive. I don't mean to bash males. But we have all known the type: invincible, arrogant, risk-takers.

 

[Oriah]

Here is one link where Dana says he thinks the lunch box was planted.http://www.thefocusonfacts.com/2011/08/happened-holly-bobo/

This is not directed at you shefner, at all- just jumping off of the link.

These 'blogs' consist of individual interpretation, based purely on rumor. Bias does nothing to help bring a missing person home.

What the heck happened to investigative research, and responsible reporting?

 

[shefner]

This is not directed at you shefner, at all- just jumping off of the link.

These 'blogs' consist of individual interpretation, based purely on rumor. Bias does nothing to help bring a missing person home.

What the heck happened to investigative research, and responsible reporting?

Yep...I agree that many of these sites add a lot of personal "interpretations." However, Dana did say he thought the lunch bag was planted or placed particularly to mislead LE.

 

[cfreyja23]

I hate the idea of rehashing angles that were previously discussed, but I was thinking about how important the camo and hunting season really are to the abduction. Of all the times for someone to abduct her, it happened 1) a few days after turkey hunting season began and 2) on the same morning her boyfriend was trying to hunt somewhere else in the county on land he normally doesn't hunt on. (granted, I assume it was not a place he frequented as he had to ask for permission and was not recognized by her cousin).
We've discussed whether the abductor knew if CB was home, but I don't think anyone discussed whether the perp could be a friend of her bf's. Could it be that the abductor, IMO someone with whom she was already acquainted, knew that Drew would be hunting elsewhere, and wore the camo specifically to make people think he was her bf? For all we know, the abductor doesn't even turkey hunt, but wore the camo the way a robber wears a ski mask. If so, maybe he was worried he'd be recognized. I think LE should check out her bf's friends in particular, perhaps someone he told of his plans to hunt that day. On the other hand, I might be giving the perp credit for being too smart instead of lucky.

 

[houndstooth]

I noticed on the youtube party in the USA video linked here a while back ,Something is weird about it. Anyone have the link I want to see what clothes everyone had on.

[video=youtube;0q9B4MQVWRg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q9B4MQVWRg[/video]

Yes, it certainly is weird. This video used to say it was uploaded in Dec 2010, now it says Dec. 2009!! But, if you notice it still says on the menu, uploaded one year ago! How can you change your upload date on your youtube page? Or more importantly, why?

I mean in addition to the lack of a rearview mirror, and the shiny table dashboard. What about the clothes? You mean cause it was winter and what not? Supposedly.

 

[shefner]

Not sure about the shiny dashboard, but the rearview mirror is there...its holding what appears to be a nametag or school id...and some red and blue toys. Notice the tag and the toys shaking as the girls are dancing...the car is moving as they are bouncing around (not moving as in driving...but just swaying as the girls dance).

 

[houndstooth]

Not sure about the shiny dashboard, but the rearview mirror is there...its holding what appears to be a nametag or school id...and some red and blue toys. Notice the tag and the toys shaking as the girls are dancing...the car is moving as they are bouncing around (not moving as in driving...but just swaying as the girls dance).

Do you SEE a rearview mirror? Or are you just assuming that is what those items are attached to?
Obviously you can see how close it is to the roof of the car.

Now go look at the placement of the rearview mirror in YOUR car, and everybody else's car you know.

 

[docwho3]

The way this crime went down has always bothered me:

--in broad daylight!
--On the victims turf
--On the One day her brother was home
--hunting season w/ hunters all over the place
--risk the vehicle for abduction being scene by anyone
Geez! Doesn't that seem downright stupid?

I mean --Nighttime, Mall parking lot--end of story, right?

Although they did get away with it. Luck ? or ineptness by the first responders?

Well, I agree it sounds weird but then stuff like that does happen.
That Dugard girl was taken in broad daylight too & held captive for years.

'. . . Well, Jaycee was on her way to catch a bus. She was walking up the hill in front of their house.
Her stepfather, Carl, was out front and saw a car kind of pull down the street, swing around
in the cul-de-sac and then head back up the hill. The car cut off Jaycee.
A woman reached out and grabbed her. They sped off . . .'
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,544541,00.html

And I remember other cases where young women have been snatched in
broad daylight.

People who are willing to take weird risks are the ones that make logic
so difficult to use in figuring out these cases & it is why that even though
I think this was an unplanned event I cannot rule out a planned kidnap
just because of having read other cases where weird stuff did take place.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

Dang....reliving this incident, second by second, is very challenging.

I am trying to imagine Holly being injured to the point of bleeding, dropping her Coke can, but carrying her lunch bag and willingly walking into the woods with this perp. We also know other items were found, although LE has not indicated what those items were. I have heard (so consider this rumor) the items included paper and perhaps pages from school books. We have also heard the rumor of the cell phone being recovered but we're not sure about any of this. Even so, Holly or perp carried the lunch bag and the other items with them as they left. So, Holly dropped her Coke can but not these other items....or the perp picked them up and took them as they left. Can't wrap my mind around this scenario.

My opinions only, no facts here:

Shefner! My friend! You are striking to the very heart of the paradoxical aspects of this case. I sincerely intend this as a compliment- I am not being flippant. Keep thinking along these lines. When law enforcement releases virtually nothing about a case, you must focus on the conundrums to resolve it. I wish there were a law that when a case becomes cold (six months is long enough), all evidence is released to the public. Consider the application of reductio ad absurdum: without defined time limits on withholding evidence, the known facts about the Holly Bobo case might not be revealed for a million years.

Thinking about the movie "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles", there is the early scene where Steve Martin says to the (characterized) hapless buffoon John Candy: "when you tell a story, it helps to have a point". In the story of a criminal case, this is the equivalent of a "motive". What attracts me to study the Holly Bobo, McStay family, Jamison family, and Maura Murray cases, is that on the surface they all seem to lack a "point" or motive. These are the most interesting kinds of cases. However, in the latter three cases, most of the facts have been revealed. But in the Holly Bobo case we have been spoon-fed dribbles and dabbles of unofficial and semi-official information. Remember, even direct statements by witnesses are of estimable value if WE are not allowed to know who has and has not taken a polygraph.

I want to restate something I said in an earlier post, that may have been overlooked by my friends here. Law enforcement may possess additional DNA in the Holly Bobo case, but are waiting for passage of a familial-DNA bill in Tennessee (in Jan. 2012) before proceeding with the investigation. Look up familial DNA on the internet and familiarize yourself with it. Very interesting.