TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[~n/t~]

Sorry, should have been more clear. Fugitives as in the 'wanted' sort. Violent crimes in the area (TN) as well as fugitives from other states who may have ties to TN.

Cross check databases, that sort of thing.

There was one that was brought up a while ago. I'll have to dig it up when I get home unless someone else remembers and has it handy.

 

[shefner]

I think we can see particular differences in the crime committed on Dru Sjodin in 2003 and the one committed on Holly Bobo. Dru's perp was certainly a Level III SO and had just served a 23-year prison term. While I didn't follow that case as closely as this one, I don't recall that Rodriguez "stalked" Sjodin extensively. He did live in her vicinity and had been inside the mall where she worked in Victoria's Secret. His kidnapping of her in public, while she was on her cell phone, shows his impulsivity. This, to me, is consistent with a Level III SO profile. We notice he did not follow Dru home to complete the kidnapping or take effort to drop evidence in various locations.

Holly's abduction from home is not consistent with a spontaneous abduction. The perp took the time to dress in camo. He had to have known it was turkey hunting season. He knew that turkey hunting would be going on early that morning...and he would not look out of place, if spotted. He felt no one would be at Holly's home except Holly...

Obviously, we don't know the whole story. I really have to think that the initial story of a home invasion might add up to more than the TBI wanted us to know so that term was retracted. I could be wrong....but it feels like there is more to this than the media running wild, especially since these were the very first reports that we had. The idea of a "home invasion" is questionable however, since we know Holly's blood was found in the carport and not inside the home (well, at least that's what we think we know). We also know that she spilled her drink. Its tough to imagine the perp engaging in this type of close and threatening contact with Holly and not leaving any of his own DNA behind. But I have to think this is the case here. I think there is a lack of comparative DNA...so even if LE takes DNA swabs from every potential male in Parsons and Darden, they have nothing to match up with it. OR, if they do have some type of DNA, they have yet to find a match....so that is a hinderance.

I don't feel that an SO did this. I think there may have been a sexual motive, along with some other aspects....jealousy, anger, resentment, retribution, frustration. (My own personal thinking says it is a young, conceited local...a troublemaker who has committed no major crimes but who has been protected....someone that perhaps had been rejected by Holly in some way.)

Since we know that evidence, in addition to the lunch bag, was found in the area, it would make sense that this perp was a local. Otherwise, I think the perp would have been long gone with the evidence in his trunk.

I think Holly is deceased. I think this case will be solved....but it may take a while.

 

[CanManEh]

I still think they need to look at her class mates or someone that new her schedule It was not random that a perp was just in the area at whatever time 7 am or so and to me the only people that would know besides familly would be the bf or the other people in the same class .What i dont get is why this was moved to hot cases when thier has been no new leads for a long time every day i see it on here and exspect oh theres been a break only to see its just more speculation..

 

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[OldSteve]

Saw the Grand Ole Opry live show Sat night 10/29 and Whitney Ducan was shown in a backstage segment with Nan Kelly. Was disappointed in that Nan didn't bring up Holly abduction. Didn't see Whitney wearing a pink ribbon.

 

[concentric]

Can I encourage folks to look at fugitives, and possible connections of fugitives to the region? In addition to looking at 'locals' who may have known the area and the Bobo's family schedule?

I've listed this guy on the Holly Bobo threads here at least 3X. Why do I have to keep repeating myself? Or is this not the type of fugitive that would fit your criteria? Are you looking for locals to post ideas? And, before I hear about the Mexico thing--who says that he didn't return to his home turf?

http://www.usmarshals.gov/investigations/most_wanted/hiers/poster.htm

Fugitive Investigations - 15 Most Wanted

He is a white male, weighing approximately 210 lbs, and has blonde hair and blue eyes.

11 years of police experience. He is an experienced hunter and was raised in South Carolina.

He was last seen on March 15, 2005, driving a red 2005 Chevy Aveo. The vehicle was found in Laredo, Texas on June 20, 2005. We can put the vehicle at that spot as far back as April 10, 2005.

 

[OldSteve]

I've listed this guy on the Holly Bobo threads here at least 3X. Why do I have to keep repeating myself? Or is this not the type of fugitive that would fit your criteria? Are you looking for locals to post ideas? And, before I hear about the Mexico thing--who says that he didn't return to his home turf?

http://www.usmarshals.gov/investigations/most_wanted/hiers/poster.htm

Fugitive Investigations - 15 Most Wanted

He is a white male, weighing approximately 210 lbs, and has blonde hair and blue eyes.

11 years of police experience. He is an experienced hunter and was raised in South Carolina.

He was last seen on March 15, 2005, driving a red 2005 Chevy Aveo. The vehicle was found in Laredo, Texas on June 20, 2005. We can put the vehicle at that spot as far back as April 10, 2005.

Oops - missed your other mention of this fugitive. Good that you mentioned it again.
Any way to tie him into the Darden area in April or before?

 

[~n/t~]

I've listed this guy on the Holly Bobo threads here at least 3X. Why do I have to keep repeating myself? Or is this not the type of fugitive that would fit your criteria? Are you looking for locals to post ideas? And, before I hear about the Mexico thing--who says that he didn't return to his home turf?

http://www.usmarshals.gov/investigations/most_wanted/hiers/poster.htm

Fugitive Investigations - 15 Most Wanted

He is a white male, weighing approximately 210 lbs, and has blonde hair and blue eyes.

11 years of police experience. He is an experienced hunter and was raised in South Carolina.

He was last seen on March 15, 2005, driving a red 2005 Chevy Aveo. The vehicle was found in Laredo, Texas on June 20, 2005. We can put the vehicle at that spot as far back as April 10, 2005.

Thanks. That's the guy I was referring to in my post. I saw you post it before. I never really made a connection to Holly because of his location but if he's a fugitive anything is possible and hiding out in the woods makes a lot of sense. He fits the 6' and 200 lbs description. I wonder if he still drives the same vehicle and if anyone spotted it in the area? Heck, how do we even begin to look into that possibility?

The problem I have is Drew doesn't look to be 6' , 200 lbs from looking at his photos so how could Clint have mistaken the perp for Drew?

 

[~n/t~]

This case is so frustrating with so little to go on. The fugitive is a pedophile. Holly was 20 when she was abducted. Does she look 16 without makeup?

 

[~n/t~]

This is the photo of Holly that was released when the family did the "truck" campaign. It was supposed to depict Holly without makeup.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I can only go according to what's been reported in the media. Both Holly's dad and LE believe it had to have been someone familiar with the area because of where the house is located and the perp having to know their way to and from the woods. Yes, it could've been someone, a hunter, perhaps who just happened to be in the area hunting turkey and noticed a pretty girl and abducted her but I think if we go with LE's theory, I think it's more likely that it would be someone who knew the comings and goings of the family. Someone who may have been stalking Holly or wanted harm done to her for whatever reason.

I wouldn't rule out a female being involved as well.

You can become familiar with the area by studying the area. I assume the supect is semi local and may have had some general familiarity with the area anyway. But it wouldn't take long to watch the house and get an idea of who came and when at what times.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

You made a good comment. You listed the facts as we know them and yes, I agree that the reason for taking her at the house rather than a mall parking lot at night (or day) begs pondering. Why would the perp take that risk?

If it were someone Holly knew then there is the greater chance that they would know when Holly would be by herself away from home... like driving to school or driving home at night by herself, etc. It would be much easier to snatch her away from her own home than there with her brother inside. Something like a fake fender bender accident to get her to stop the car at night on a deserted country road would work. There would surely be times that Holly did things or went places alone and that would be less risky than going to the house. But a stranger would not know those things.

 

[~n/t~]

If it were someone Holly knew then there is the greater chance that they would know when Holly would be by herself away from home... like driving to school or driving home at night by herself, etc. It would be much easier to snatch her away from her own home than there with her brother inside. Something like a fake fender bender accident to get her to stop the car at night on a deserted country road would work. There would surely be times that Holly did things or went places alone and that would be less risky than going to the house. But a stranger would not know those things.

:waitasec: A stranger would not know to just snatch her off a road? That's how hundreds of kids, teenagers, women get snatched by total strangers.

 

[cfreyja23]

Two thoughts (pardon my grammar, I've had a long day at work):
1) I think the reason the police think an ATV was used is because: if Holly was taken back to the northeast part of the house to that road up there, and the perp had a car up there, LE probably thinks the parents would've seen it as they left for work. I wonder which road the parents took that day. If it was the northeast road, I suspect they told LE that they didn't see a car there, hence the conclusion about the ATV. If it was someone who used an ATV (though I understand some here think it unlikely as it is so loud), it is almost definitely a local, IMO.
2) If this was a stranger abduction, why would the abductor wear full camo? This question has plagued me. I feel like the camo is just a huge clue. Sure, people wear camo in that area all the time, but why would the abductor in particular wear it during the crime? Think of all the reasons he wouldn't need to wear it: no one was around anyway, didn't need to worry about being recognized if he was a stranger, didn't need to blend in because he just walked right up to her and started talking, etc. Think of all the daytime stranger abduction that occur away from the victim's home by somewhere not wearing what is essentially a disguise.

I can see how a stranger might hunker down in the woods and watch the family from afar, but I find it hard to believe even the best hunter could camp out there and not leave a trace. What is statistically more likely, though: that some stranger, non-local (who is apparently a criminal mastermind) ran across her in a small town, and camped out stalking the family on their plot of land, then kidnapped her after having a long conversation with her and walking her into the woods..........OR.......she attracts the attention of someone in her circle of acquaintances, like an ex-boyfriend or someone else she knows, kidnaps and kills her. Maybe it's just me, but I think the latter is far more likely here.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Thanks. That's the guy I was referring to in my post. I saw you post it before. I never really made a connection to Holly because of his location but if he's a fugitive anything is possible and hiding out in the woods makes a lot of sense. He fits the 6' and 200 lbs description. I wonder if he still drives the same vehicle and if anyone spotted it in the area? Heck, how do we even begin to look into that possibility?

The problem I have is Drew doesn't look to be 6' , 200 lbs from looking at his photos so how could Clint have mistaken the perp for Drew?

BBM - Good catch.

 

[wishuwerehere]

However, Clint has said the perp to be 5'8" to 6', 200 lbs.

The 200 lbs. throws me too.

 

[shefner]

I think that the perp was a local and knew that if he was somehow stopped that morning, even on Holly's property, he could always claim to be turkey hunting.

I don't think abducting from the home was that risky actually. Holly's scream at 7:40 didn't even wake Clint from his sleep....and the abductor took his time. Ten minutes later, he is just getting Holly off the property.

 

[wishuwerehere]

I think the perp opportunistically chose April 13 to abduct Holly.

I believe Drew was known to hunt on the Bobo’s property. Yet, on the day of the abduction he clearly was hunting somewhere else (Holly’s grandmother’s property). It begs the question: Did the perp know Drew, and Drew’s schedule? How convenient for the perp: On that morning Drew was hunting someplace else. JMO

Spring Turkey Hunting Season in TN: March 31 to May 13.
http://tn.gov/twra/pdfs/wallet.pdf

 

[Yoda]

If there are any serious hunters reading please post your:twocents:
I'm not confident in CB's statement he thought it was Drew. From the photos posted, CB and DS hunted together. Wouldn't you think CB would recognize if DS was wearing camo that was new or different from normal? I know teen and adult hunters, and they all know what equipment and gear each other have. It may sound stupid, but even the wear/stains etc make hunting clothes distinct to the wearer. Plus, CB saw the abductor in two different places- the garage and walking to the woods. Again, CB is friends with DS- height, weight, gait, mannerisms, the way DS holds his body, if even one was 'off' wouldn't he subconsciously do a double take? It is early morning, at his home. If he is curious enough to call mom wouldn't he be keeping an eye on them?TIA. The camo question was for the hunters

 

[NCSleuth]

If there are any serious hunters reading please post your:twocents:
I'm not confident in CB's statement he thought it was Drew. From the photos posted, CB and DS hunted together. Wouldn't you think CB would recognize if DS was wearing camo that was new or different from normal? I know teen and adult hunters, and they all know what equipment and gear each other have. It may sound stupid, but even the wear/stains etc make hunting clothes distinct to the wearer. Plus, CB saw the abductor in two different places- the garage and walking to the woods. Again, CB is friends with DS- height, weight, gait, mannerisms, the way DS holds his body, if even one was 'off' wouldn't he subconsciously do a double take? It is early morning, at his home. If he is curious enough to call mom wouldn't he be keeping an eye on them?TIA. The camo question was for the hunters

I agree! My son knows what shoes, clothes, etc his friends wear. He would definitely know what camo his friends wear. What brand, which pattern. etc. Overalls, Bibs, pants and coat, etc. I have thought about that since the start! He would know what DS wears.