TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[Chili Fries]

I think that the perp was a local and knew that if he was somehow stopped that morning, even on Holly's property, he could always claim to be turkey hunting.

I don't think abducting from the home was that risky actually. Holly's scream at 7:40 didn't even wake Clint from his sleep....and the abductor took his time. Ten minutes later, he is just getting Holly off the property.

I don't put too much stock in exact correlations of all the different elements of the timeline in any case. One thing we know is that the dog woke Clint up. Seems very likely the dog started barking because of the scream or because it sensed a stranger outside. Which brings me to one thing I've been thinking about. It's a highly speculative topic (what isn't in this case) but here it goes...

If there is a door to the carport, and Holly's car was in the carport then she only had to walk maybe 7-10 feet to her car door. That's the one part of the abduction where time was probably a big issue for the abductor. He had to get her before she got in the car and started it or ran back inside. So it seems like he may have needed to hide close to the house. And it looks to me like the woods are at least 20 feet away from the house around the back area. So did he hide behind the pool or the car? How long did he wait? Did he get lucky? Why didn't the dog sense him earlier if he was close to the house?

I don't expect answers to these questions but I have wondered about it. I do think he might have immobilized Holly from 20 feet away if he pointed a gun at her as he was coming to her. And I have seen young girls go into shock and freeze in highly stressful situations before (such as car accidents) so that may have worked in his favor. But I do think it's interesting to ponder the fact that he had to be waiting for her and make sure he was close enough to her when she came out of the house for his plan to succeed. Maybe he just got lucky or even was planning to enter the house and attack her when she emerged from it. It does lead you to believe he knew her schedule and which car was hers (if Clint's car was there too).

 

[houndstooth]

I'm completely baffled as to why this video is relevant to Holly's abduction; with the exception of the person who abducted her possibly viewing it, or being present when it was made, or uploaded- and therefore it's physical location. :waitasec:

Why does it matter if you can see a rearveiw mirror or not?

ETA- n/t, all I see is three girls having fun also.
And it must break those two girls hearts to watch now, missing Holly.

It is relevent. First though, just to be clear.
The date has been changed to be off by one year earlier.
The dashboard ( I don't know any make or model that is any other material than leather or vinyl) and lack of rearview mirror and the fact the camera doesn't move makes me wish that those who don't see the problem with this would just try to duplicate it. Right the toys hanging shake, the car shakes, but the camera doesn't.

Now why is all this and other anomalies about the video relevent?
Because it appears to be a set car like for a professional video (think Tunces, or Adam-12). There has been not one, but two modeling agencies that have been inserted in the periphery of the story. One via the fake Tony Calabrese SAR team which this seems to have been created JUST for her case. He also owns a modeling agency and Recording Label, Blaze Records.

The other person, is one that her cousin Natalie had a photo shoot with in Miami, according to her MySpace. I am trying to recall his name now, but, I noticed last month when this video first was posted by someone that this Jay Wills Model Agency rep was posted directly below this video of Holly on Youtube. And they remained "linked" on the menu until recently.

I think based on the appearance of some of the photos that she may have already dabbled in modeling.

I have bad vibes about this Tony Calabrese person's having singled out her case.

 

[houndstooth]

wasn't this already discussed? that it was a video shot at some place that you can make your own videos and not in a real car etc. Kind of like a video version of a photo booth where you and your friends can sit in a "car" and sing karaoke and have a video made.

I had not read it was done in a photo booth to video/sing karaoke.
I just knew it wasn't a real car.
Where can I find one of these online to compare?
They have these at malls or something?

I rather thought it was a film test for music videos.
Everybody wants to be a star these days.

Carry on.

 

[Yoda]

I did think the video was weird, but more "why are they sitting in a car doing this?". As for the mirror and the camera not moving- go back and watch again. You'll notice as the song progresses the camera moves to face holly more. I think this has to do with the movement in the car. It's subtle but it definitely moves. And at the very end you can also start to see the bottom of the rearview mirror because of that movement. Another thing I noticed was in the beginning of the video you will see a few cars driving on the street behind them-drivers side. Not that all of that couldnt be shot in a studio, but just my observations.

It is relevent. First though, just to be clear.
The date has been changed to be off by one year earlier.
The dashboard ( I don't know any make or model that is any other material than leather or vinyl) and lack of rearview mirror and the fact the camera doesn't move makes me wish that those who don't see the problem with this would just try to duplicate it. Right the toys hanging shake, the car shakes, but the camera doesn't.

Now why is all this and other anomalies about the video relevent?
Because it appears to be a set car like for a professional video (think Tunces, or Adam-12). There has been not one, but two modeling agencies that have been inserted in the periphery of the story. One via the fake Tony Calabrese SAR team which this seems to have been created JUST for her case. He also owns a modeling agency and Recording Label, Blaze Records.

The other person, is one that her cousin Natalie had a photo shoot with in Miami, according to her MySpace. I am trying to recall his name now, but, I noticed last month when this video first was posted by someone that this Jay Wills Model Agency rep was posted directly below this video of Holly on Youtube. And they remained "linked" on the menu until recently.

I think based on the appearance of some of the photos that she may have already dabbled in modeling.

I have bad vibes about this Tony Calabrese person's having singled out her case.

 

[houndstooth]

I did think the video was weird, but more "why are they sitting in a car doing this?". As for the mirror and the camera not moving- go back and watch again. You'll notice as the song progresses the camera moves to face holly more. I think this has to do with the movement in the car. It's subtle but it definitely moves. And at the very end you can also start to see the bottom of the rearview mirror because of that movement. Another thing I noticed was in the beginning of the video you will see a few cars driving on the street behind them-drivers side. Not that all of that couldnt be shot in a studio, but just my observations.

Yoda,
I totally can relate to that question!

I watched it again (with the sound off), a few times.
I recommend full screen. And pauses every few seconds.
What you will see, is that this video has been manipulated with on top of being odd in the first place. You can distinguish areas that have had video shoops done by the square groupings of pixels that have been adjusted around the eyes of Holly pretty much throughout, and the mouth area on the other girl. Shadings, and shapings, color paint added from software such as Dreamweaver, or other Adobe products.

Notice too, how they all swallow and look nervously at the camera before it starts. Why would they take this so seriously? Who took the time and trouble to run it through video software to adjust their facial images?
The youtube account itself was set up apparently only to add this one video.

It strikes me as odd that if this were a real video that they would have just pulled over to the side of the road to do this. The other car karaoke on youtube are with people actually travelling along singing in the car.
Not doing some semi-choreographed dance routine.
I had to look at the original Miley Cyrus video to see if they were emulating it in some way. Nope, this is sort of apropos of nothing.

And there is the matter of adjusting the upload date. This was done after it was asked who the girls were, and discussions about how their appearances hadn't changed in the six months prior to HB alleged abduction, according to another photo on Cranky that featured these two along with Clint and Holly looking like young teenagers. Now, the date of this video has been pushed back by one year. I find that not exactly coincidental.

Does anyone know for sure who these other two girls are?
TIA

 

[Oriah]

It is relevent. First though, just to be clear.
The date has been changed to be off by one year earlier.
The dashboard ( I don't know any make or model that is any other material than leather or vinyl) and lack of rearview mirror and the fact the camera doesn't move makes me wish that those who don't see the problem with this would just try to duplicate it. Right the toys hanging shake, the car shakes, but the camera doesn't.

Now why is all this and other anomalies about the video relevent?
Because it appears to be a set car like for a professional video (think Tunces, or Adam-12). There has been not one, but two modeling agencies that have been inserted in the periphery of the story. One via the fake Tony Calabrese SAR team which this seems to have been created JUST for her case. He also owns a modeling agency and Recording Label, Blaze Records.

The other person, is one that her cousin Natalie had a photo shoot with in Miami, according to her MySpace. I am trying to recall his name now, but, I noticed last month when this video first was posted by someone that this Jay Wills Model Agency rep was posted directly below this video of Holly on Youtube. And they remained "linked" on the menu until recently.

I think based on the appearance of some of the photos that she may have already dabbled in modeling.

I have bad vibes about this Tony Calabrese person's having singled out her case.

I'm still not quite understanding.

Do you mean you think that Holly may have come in contact with the person who abducted her, via a modeling agency?

 

[~n/t~]

I'm still not quite understanding.

Do you mean you think that Holly may have come in contact with the person who abducted her, via a modeling agency?

After reading the explanation that's what I'm understanding. Who is TC guy? Has anything been revealed about him? Is he a local? Does he have any connections to the family? Does he know Holly? Does he own a modelling agency? Or is he just a sleuther who is interested in the case and trying to help but TBI don't trust him for some reason? I suppose the reward money would bring out some of these folks who want to insert themselves. IDK

 

[Oriah]

After reading the explanation that's what I'm understanding. Who is TC guy? Has anything been revealed about him? Is he a local? Does he have any connections to the family? Does he know Holly? Does he own a modelling agency? Or is he just a sleuther who is interested in the case and trying to help but TBI don't trust him for some reason? I suppose the reward money would bring out some of these folks who want to insert themselves. IDK

This is what I get on TC, MSM- pretty sure it was posted somewhere upthread:

http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...fering-With-Holly/XzBR2zv3pkmPjEKZ9VERrw.cspx

Not sure if the poster referring to the youTube video is saying TC may be responsible for Holly's abduction, or if they are saying it's just odd that he inserted himself into the case, posing as SAR. :waitasec:

 

[~n/t~]

This is what I get on TC, MSM- pretty sure it was posted somewhere upthread:

http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...fering-With-Holly/XzBR2zv3pkmPjEKZ9VERrw.cspx

Not sure if the poster referring to the youTube video is saying TC may be responsible for Holly's abduction, or if they are saying it's just odd that he inserted himself into the case, posing as SAR. :waitasec:

No clue and I'll let the poster reply to that. I am still confused about the alleged SAR organization. Are they real or aren't they? Have they worked other cases or just Holly's? I never heard of them but maybe others have. :dunno:

I find this statement strange considering the family is frustrated with LE not giving them answers. I would think after 6 months they would welcome outside help. Perhaps not TC but others.

Bobo's family said they appreciate outside help but they are relying on investigators to bring her home.

and this? Missing child? :waitasec:

"People will have a tendency to go on with their regular lives and that's understandable at some point but also we still have a missing child in our community," said Bromley.

I'm sure I already posted the above comments once before because this is like déja vu.

We need some updates from LE!!!!

 

[Telicity]

The youtube video looks to me like them sitting in a car, fooling around and singing for a camera that they have there. No matter how suspicious I get or how hard I try to stretch my imagination, that the video looks "off" or fake in anyway completely escapes me. I don't see it. It just looks like 3 girls having fun, in a real car.

 

[Patience]

This is what I get on TC, MSM- pretty sure it was posted somewhere upthread:

http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...fering-With-Holly/XzBR2zv3pkmPjEKZ9VERrw.cspx

Not sure if the poster referring to the youTube video is saying TC may be responsible for Holly's abduction, or if they are saying it's just odd that he inserted himself into the case, posing as SAR. :waitasec:

If you look TC up on google, google web, google news, maybe even google groups or blogs then you will see how much info is out there on him and B Records etc. There is also talk of the post of March 30th regarding one of his apparent Models named Holly Duncan. It's all a real mess.

 

[~n/t~]

If you look TC up on google, google web, google news, maybe even google groups or blogs then you will see how much info is out there on him and B Records etc. There is also talk of the post of March 30th regarding one of his apparent Models named Holly Duncan. It's all a real mess.

I only found one blog connected to him and some unfounded accusations.

There is a TC who is a comedian. I guess not the right guy. lol

 

[Oriah]

If you look TC up on google, google web, google news, maybe even google groups or blogs then you will see how much info is out there on him and B Records etc. There is also talk of the post of March 30th regarding one of his apparent Models named Holly Duncan. It's all a real mess.

Thanks. I did, just to refresh my memory when the youTube video came back up again. I have no understanding of why someone would do such things- and also think the FBI should prosecute for fraud. Maybe they already are.

At any rate, TC and 'Tactical SAR' are not any sort of 'real' SAR group.

The youTube video I believe to be real- and I think useful regarding the timeline. Did Holly or one of her friends upload it innocently- and possibly then catch the unwelcome attention of someone?

 

[docwho3]

I'm sorry. This comment was only meant to
question "what kind of person" would commit this crime in broad daylight,
etc. This only related to the MO of the suspect. Weather it was planned
or unplanned, by a suspect known or unknown to Holly was not the point.
I had only wanted to add this to a suspect profile. I realize I did not
explain myself too well, sorry!:waitasec:

I see what you mean & yet it is difficult (for me at least) to say much
about a profile due to lack of knowledge of the evidence & various
other reasons.

For those who might be interested in the subject though
I looked up a few pages on the subject (I do not vouch for
these pages. I just found them):
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/profiling/history_method/index.html

'. . . But then things began to go wrong. It started with the media's
misunderstanding of what a profile was, . . .'
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/profiling/history_method/16.html
http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/criminal.aspx

http://www.faqs.org/espionage/Pr-Re/Profiling.html

http://vault.fbi.gov/Criminal Profiling
http://vault.fbi.gov/Criminal Profiling/Criminal Profiling Part 2 of 7/view

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I had not read it was done in a photo booth to video/sing karaoke.
I just knew it wasn't a real car.
Where can I find one of these online to compare?
They have these at malls or something?

I rather thought it was a film test for music videos.
Everybody wants to be a star these days.

Carry on.

its something like that... was discussed here some while back. Google might help? Someone was claiming some big conspiracy thinking this was supposed to be a real car etc.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Thanks. I did, just to refresh my memory when the youTube video came back up again. I have no understanding of why someone would do such things- and also think the FBI should prosecute for fraud. Maybe they already are.

At any rate, TC and 'Tactical SAR' are not any sort of 'real' SAR group.

The youTube video I believe to be real- and I think useful regarding the timeline. Did Holly or one of her friends upload it innocently- and possibly then catch the unwelcome attention of someone?

I would assume that since LE has commented publically about TC and his "group" that they have also investigated him/them. Although that is just an assumption...

 

[Oriah]

I've listed this guy on the Holly Bobo threads here at least 3X. Why do I have to keep repeating myself? Or is this not the type of fugitive that would fit your criteria? Are you looking for locals to post ideas? And, before I hear about the Mexico thing--who says that he didn't return to his home turf?

http://www.usmarshals.gov/investigations/most_wanted/hiers/poster.htm

Fugitive Investigations - 15 Most Wanted

He is a white male, weighing approximately 210 lbs, and has blonde hair and blue eyes.

11 years of police experience. He is an experienced hunter and was raised in South Carolina.

He was last seen on March 15, 2005, driving a red 2005 Chevy Aveo. The vehicle was found in Laredo, Texas on June 20, 2005. We can put the vehicle at that spot as far back as April 10, 2005.

Peace, concentric! that's exactly the type of fugitive I was referring to.

This is another one I have my eye on:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/robert-william-fisher/view

Both have ties to TN.

I just was hoping for people to look outside of the box- and know that some fugitives may have 'become' part of a community- completely unknown as fugitives to the community.

 

[Oriah]

Well OK then, Oriah.

I can just imagine the ramifications of that in future cases involving teens, then, huh?

Now a picture can speak a thousand words, and all of them wrong, possible through the magic of photoshop.

What about evidence photos? And crooked DAs and lawyers, and cops?
I don't like the picture this paints of our future justice system.

But, about this case, sure, it was probably just HB and friends manipulating the photos and video for their amusement. Sometimes it's good to have photos of your bf looking like he's 6'3'' and others when he appears to be 5' 7" or 8".

Not sure about the intent of the rest of this post, but the BBM- I think this may harken back to the initial days of inaccurate reporting, when Clint and Drew were being confused for one another.

 

[~n/t~]

Peace, concentric! that's exactly the type of fugitive I was referring to.

This is another one I have my eye on:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/robert-william-fisher/view

Both have ties to TN.

I just was hoping for people to look outside of the box- and know that some fugitives may have 'become' part of a community- completely unknown as fugitives to the community.

Where did you see they have ties to TN? Also, even if we have this information, what do we do with it? Do you think the FBI hasn't already investigated them for a possible connection?

 

[Oriah]

Where did you see they have ties to TN? Also, even if we have this information, what do we do with it? Do you think the FBI hasn't already investigated them for a possible connection?

I'm certain the FBI and the USMS have investigated these particular fugitives for a possible connection. But neither of the above listed fugitives have been located yet. So accounting for their location often requires the support and tips that come in from local communities.

I think it is worthwhile to say online "Darden TN, have you see this man? How about Parsons, TN? UTM Parsons?" etc.
It doesn't hurt- and we don't know who reads here and might see something familiar.