TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[MizStery]

snipped for brevity and afterthought:


Had to smile when you mentioned extra time in case of a flat tire - I can relate to that, something I did and still do for anything important.
Which brings us to the key point of just what took place with Holly on that fateful morning.

Are we sure the blood was identified as HB's ? IIRC someone in her family mentioned that, but did LE ever confirm?

Considering the amount of time the perp spent with HB, it seems to me that she knew the person and some sort of confrontation was taking place - as if he was someone spurred by her..

I can imagine a love-grazed man cutting himself, threatening to do himself harm if she didn't listen to him, go with him.... but cannot imagine her going with him on any day, let alone test day. Also, the blood found isn't his.

So I agree that someone threatening her makes more sense. A threat that
had to be really bad - she surely knew that would decrease her chances for survival.

So I ask, is it possible she assumed that her family or friends would know soon enough the person she went off with - causing her to think her chances were better by going with the perp than refusing?

I just cannot believe she would go for a ruse to administer aid to a injured person in the woods. She is an extremely attractive woman....I am sure she had more than one man attempt to get her alone & she had to be very worried about taking her test. Perhaps the perp at first tried to create a emergency ...I would think she attempted to get the perp to let her call 911. I imagine he rebuffed her. Maybe at this point he threatened suicide and slashed himself. He might have said if you do not come with me I will stab you then myself. Perhaps she thought she could contrive an escape. I would think she would try to be calm so as not to agitate the perp. Another thought is at some point she might have screamed perhap when he slashed himself. She might have hoped someone heard her scream and would come to investigate. So she wanted to appear cooperative.

You make a good point with the similarities to Molly's abduction. I have not read about that case but still believe in Holly's instance she would resist going off to a isolated area with a man. But as to what happened I read this thread hoping for some news. :seeya:

 

[wishuwerehere]

In one of the family interviews, did dad walk off the set? I have never been able to find a working link for the video. If he did, did they show it? Did they cut away? Who was talking and what were they saying? Did he come back? Tia

The longer this goes on and the near silence out of the bobo camp, I am starting to look in towards the family. When I first heard about the issue with Drew hunting on family property, the flurry of phone calls, it sounded to me as if someone was angry about him being there. It was an important exam day for Holly. It must have been a serious issue if there were several phone calls between holly, drew, and mom. Maybe someone, family member, aimed his gun at drew and/or his dad. This person is po'ed that someone else is hunting on family property. Drew/dad explain who they are, who gave them permission, etc. Perhaps this person thinks kb had no right to offer the property, maybe the property is a hot issue for the family. So family member finds out Karen gave permission, it's holly's boyfriend and decides to go to the bobo house to give kb a piece if his mind. He runs into holly, talks with her, possibly saying don't tell your boyfriend he can hunt there, discussion turns into "he can hunt there if I want him to" or "because mom says so" -family member bops her one (blood), then leads her to his vehicle, possibly to go to kb's school to solve this issue, or db's work, or just because he is mad. Then things start to snowball from there. I thought of this scenario as soon as I heard about the issue at the family property- why? Because I know someone who heard a gun shot on his property, took off out of his deer stand, found the trespassers, pointed his gun at them and told them to leave the deer and get the he!! off of his land.
This could explain kb freaking, clint's non concern/confrontation, and db's near silence.

BBM
Interesting theory, Yoda.

The problem for us as sleuthers is that we have very little info about the incident w/Drew on KB’s family property. And Drew (someone who is outside of the family circle, but close to Holly) has not publicly given us any insight into what happened that morning, (or any other time as it pertains to Holly).

Maybe LE will release more info about the case to the public. (The 911 tapes would be a good place to start.)
2012 – Hopefully this year we will see Holly come home.

jmo

 

[cluciano63]

Wondering if anyone has noticed more activity on Holly Bobo's case in the last week? I have a Google alert set for any info on HB and usually get maybe one or two things a day at the most, now it is three to four things per hour.

I think it may be a lot of year-end articles, wrap-ups, etc...certainly not because of new info, as far as I know.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

BBM:
I think you mean Clint- not Drew?
Or am I thinking of a different interview?

yes its a typo

 

[MizStery]

In one of the family interviews, did dad walk off the set? I have never been able to find a working link for the video. If he did, did they show it? Did they cut away? Who was talking and what were they saying? Did he come back? Tia

The longer this goes on and the near silence out of the bobo camp, I am starting to look in towards the family. When I first heard about the issue with Drew hunting on family property, the flurry of phone calls, it sounded to me as if someone was angry about him being there. It was an important exam day for Holly. It must have been a serious issue if there were several phone calls between holly, drew, and mom. Maybe someone, family member, aimed his gun at drew and/or his dad. This person is po'ed that someone else is hunting on family property. Drew/dad explain who
they are, who gave them permission, etc. Perhaps this person thinks kb had no right to offer the
property, maybe the property is a hot issue for the family. So family member finds out Karen gave permission, it's holly's boyfriend and decides to go to the bobo house to give kb a piece if his mind. He runs into holly, talks with her, possibly saying don't tell your boyfriend he can hunt there, discussion turns into "he can hunt there if I want him to" or "because mom says so" -family member bops her one (blood), then leads her to his vehicle, possibly to go to kb's school to solve this issue, or db's work, or just because he is mad. Then things start to snowball from there. I
thought of this scenario as soon as I heard about the issue at the family property- why? Because I know someone
who heard a gun shot on his property, took off out of his deer stand, found
the trespassers, pointed his gun at them and told them to leave the deer and get the he!! off of his land.
This could explain kb freaking, clint's non concern/confrontation, and db's near silence.

Yoda,as you point out there was more than what meet's the eye in the flurry of calls between Holly,KB and Drew. I think it is a small town everyone one know's everyone elses history. As you point out in every family there is the added dynamic of possessiveness,favoritism and jealousy. :snooty: Who
knows... Drew could
be a bully everyone in town want's to punch out. This could be a generational feud. We all know the straw that break's the camel's back ....well this might have as you say "snowballed" into a confrontation gone very wrong. Combination of testosterone and bad blood.

I wish so much for more information. Many times in a case LE will choose to give out a small bit of key evidence to hopefully bring in tips. When the time comes.... maybe then some of our questions will be answered.:waiting:

 

[shefner]

I've often considered the possibility that Holly was taking a drink of Coke from her can and was startled or bumped by the perp. Maybe the edge of the pop-top area caught her lip and made her bleed. The mouth/tongue can bleed profusely. My young daughter fell once and bit through her tongue....from the amount of blood, you would have thought she had been stabbed numerous times. It was quite scary.
I can't recall if LE has confirmed the presence of the Coke can but I think those on the scene mentioned it being there.
Perhaps, when Holly was startled and hit her lip/tongue with the can, she dropped the can and bent down. This would have allowed the blood to fall on the ground. Maybe the perp knelt beside her to check on her and that is what Clint saw. Not sure about the scream and all the other events that surrounded this morning...the timeline is tough for me to accept.
All I know is that you can regain your composure after bleeding profusely from the mouth area. Pressure with a cloth would stop the bleeding after a couple minutes. But even with this theory, I can't account for why Holly would have carried her lunch bag with her, and maybe her books also (which has been reported by some although not confirmed).

 

[OldSteve]

I've often considered the possibility that Holly was taking a drink of Coke from her can and was startled or bumped by the perp. Maybe the edge of the pop-top area caught her lip and made her bleed. The mouth/tongue can bleed profusely. My young daughter fell once and bit through her tongue....from the amount of blood, you would have thought she had been stabbed numerous times. It was quite scary.
I can't recall if LE has confirmed the presence of the Coke can but I think those on the scene mentioned it being there.
Perhaps, when Holly was startled and hit her lip/tongue with the can, she dropped the can and bent down. This would have allowed the blood to fall on the ground. Maybe the perp knelt beside her to check on her and that is what Clint saw. Not sure about the scream and all the other events that surrounded this morning...the timeline is tough for me to accept.
All I know is that you can regain your composure after bleeding profusely from the mouth area. Pressure with a cloth would stop the bleeding after a couple minutes. But even with this theory, I can't account for why Holly would have carried her lunch bag with her, and maybe her books also (which has been reported by some although not confirmed).

The blood is a puzzle for me. Anyone know if LE has actually confirmed whose blood was found? I think family said it was Holly's in an interview, but no confirmation from LE... What puzzles me is that no trail was left, Clint didn't see anyone bleeding, and was a splatter/pattern expert called in? The amount found when first reported IIRC was only few drop, then it increased ad time when on...
Also, would someone cut make it easier for tracking to dog to follow?

 

[cluciano63]

The blood is a puzzle for me. Anyone know if LE has actually confirmed whose blood was found? I think family said it was Holly's in an interview, but no confirmation from LE... What puzzles me is that no trail was left, Clint didn't see anyone bleeding, and was a splatter/pattern expert called in? The amount found when first reported IIRC was only few drop, then it increased ad time when on...
Also, would someone cut make it easier for tracking to dog to follow?

I thought the Bobos said LE had informed them that the blood was Holly's, but could be mistaken...on JVM show.

 

[Oriah]

The blood is a puzzle for me. Anyone know if LE has actually confirmed whose blood was found? I think family said it was Holly's in an interview, but no confirmation from LE... What puzzles me is that no trail was left, Clint didn't see anyone bleeding, and was a splatter/pattern expert called in? The amount found when first reported IIRC was only few drop, then it increased ad time when on...
Also, would someone cut make it easier for tracking to dog to follow?

I don't think LE has ever come right out and ID'd the blood publically as Holly's. If they did- I sure missed it.

As for a K9 and blood trail- totally depends on the type of dog, but in some cases yes it can help track.

You know what puzzles me? That there was enough blood to be noticed to begin with. I guess if I went out to my carport and saw an unusual stain on the ground, I'd probably touch it to smell it- and then I'd know it was blood from a human, and not an oil stain or a coolant leak or whatever. But it would have to be enough of a stain for me to pay attention to, to begin with.
Now if one of our dogs went out and got all fixated on an area (even if it was a tiny spot) I would take a close look-see.

I wonder if one of the Bobo's dogs alerted Clint and/or LE to the blood.

 

[Oriah]

I thought the Bobos said LE had informed them that the blood was Holly's, but could be mistaken...on JVM show.

That's what I recall as well. The Bobo's saying that LE had confirmed it to be Holly's. But LE didn't say it- the Bobo's did.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I don't think LE has ever come right out and ID'd the blood publically as Holly's. If they did- I sure missed it.

As for a K9 and blood trail- totally depends on the type of dog, but in some cases yes it can help track.

You know what puzzles me? That there was enough blood to be noticed to begin with. I guess if I went out to my carport and saw an unusual stain on the ground, I'd probably touch it to smell it- and then I'd know it was blood from a human, and not an oil stain or a coolant leak or whatever. But it would have to be enough of a stain for me to pay attention to, to begin with.
Now if one of our dogs went out and got all fixated on an area (even if it was a tiny spot) I would take a close look-see.

I wonder if one of the Bobo's dogs alerted Clint and/or LE to the blood.

It seems this is the sequence and location of events...

The dog(s) were barking at something outside. Perhaps the scream which Clint did not hear because he was asleep. Clint did hear voices outside then saw the suspect and his sister in the garage (not a car port which seems to be behind the house). Later, Clint went into the garage and found the small amount of blood where Holly and the suspect had been kneeling down when he had seen them earlier.

 

[OldSteve]

It seems this is the sequence and location of events...

The dog(s) were barking at something outside. Perhaps the scream which Clint did not hear because he was asleep. Clint did hear voices outside then saw the suspect and his sister in the garage (not a car port which seems to be behind the house). Later, Clint went into the garage and found the small amount of blood where Holly and the suspect had been kneeling down when he had seen them earlier.

Wow! That's where the story gets strange for me. Putting myself in that situation - the adrenalin would really kick in! I'd a been going nuts! But then, what I can say...

 

[wishuwerehere]

Regarding the outside dog – if there was one. I’m going to assume he was penned. If in fact there was a large outside dog who lived on the Bobo property, penned or not, this makes the perp even more bold, IMO. Daylight hours, walking onto someone else’s property during hunting season, there’s an outside dog (barking no less), and the perp takes his time with Holly at the scene. Wow, now that’s bold.

(I remember in an interview Clint refers to the small dog as “the inside dog”. This made me believe there was an outside dog.)

jmo

 

[~n/t~]

Holly's dad is the one who confirmed the blood was Holly's. Why would he lie about something like that on National television? Clint thought it was turkey blood.

 

[OldSteve]

Holly's dad is the one who confirmed the blood was Holly's. Why would he lie about something like that on National television? Clint thought it was turkey blood.

Reminds me of when my mom was in the hospital and nurse in charge said her artery tests were all okay, no need to worry. We told all the family...
Next day, when we actually spoke to head cardiac doc he told us
they were all blocked....
I know I'm comparing apples to oranges in bringing this up, but still, I'm skeptical until LE goes on record saying what the blood is.

 

[nosyone]

Holly's dad is the one who confirmed the blood was Holly's. Why would he lie about something like that on National television? Clint thought it was turkey blood.

Maybe that is why he left before the family interview was over!
:waitasec:

 

[shefner]

I think Holly was startled in the carport by someone she knew....and was shocked to see standing there. Maybe at first glance, she thought it was Drew...depending on how much camo this perp had on that morning (was his face covered? his hands?)

In her mind, I think she was frightened but perhaps thought she could reason with the man and that is why she went calmly with him.

I think we have an obsessed local as the perp.

 

[cluciano63]

I think Holly was startled in the carport by someone she knew....and was shocked to see standing there. Maybe at first glance, she thought it was Drew...depending on how much camo this perp had on that morning (was his face covered? his hands?)

In her mind, I think she was frightened but perhaps thought she could reason with the man and that is why she went calmly with him.

I think we have an obsessed local as the perp.

If he is a local, that doesn't offer much hope for Holly, in my opinion. He must be there and acting normally, rather than having vanished to secrete himself away with her, for him not to have become an apparent suspect, in such a small community. JMO

 

[TxLady2]

It seems this is the sequence and location of events...

The dog(s) were barking at something outside. Perhaps the scream which Clint did not hear because he was asleep. Clint did hear voices outside then saw the suspect and his sister in the garage (not a car port which seems to be behind the house). Later, Clint went into the garage and found the small amount of blood where Holly and the suspect had been kneeling down when he had seen them earlier.

We need to get some clarification on what this garage vs. carport thing is.
So, if the former garage has been turned into a den/family room or extra bedroom, then please explain why Clint would have first thought it was Drew bringing a dead and bleeding turkey to show Holly. NOBODY would bring something like that into another woman's house unless they had a death wish. It makes much more sense to believe that all this took place in the carport, rather than INSIDE the house.
In looking at arial views of the property, there looks to be a smaller stand-alone carport further back but the main carport is attached to the house, in the area that was possibly the former garage. It is closed in on two, possibly three sides and could very well be called a garage to distinguish between the two. OR he could have just misspoke, if the remodeling took place in the recent past.
But for the life of me, I cannot figure out why anyone would think the perp was ever inside the house, based on ONE misspoken statement, yet discount everything else Clint has said. No disrespect intended but I don't understand this reasoning at all.

 

[mountainguy777]

If he is a local, that doesn't offer much hope for Holly, in my opinion. He must be there and acting normally, rather than having vanished to secrete himself away with her, for him not to have become an apparent suspect, in such a small community. JMO

Clu......i see it a bit differently. If its a local, and LE is still on the case, this persons timeframe for thaf morning can be disputed eventually by an interview with another. I hope anyway....