TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #33

[~n/t~]

BBM: Why is that?

If you read the rest of my post, I think I explained why.

 

[believe09]

FWIW, the searches that arent reported in MP cases far outnumber the ones reported...at least this has been my experience. It makes sense-fewer civilians to contend with. And who is going to notice a small number of professional searchers and dogs combing the woods vs a big police presence?

 

[~n/t~]

I'd like to add that even the family is frustrated with LE even as far as Karen wanting help from the President so IMO, no they are not searching for Holly. IMO, unless the family hires their own SAR team, this case is cold.

:moo:

 

[believe09]

I'd like to add that even the family is frustrated with LE even as far as Karen wanting help from the President so IMO, no they are not searching for Holly. IMO, unless the family hires their own SAR team, this case is cold.

:moo:

Or the family doesnt know. Think about it-why start the family on a rollercoaster of emotion with every single search? With every single tip? It is like our policy here at WS regarding comparing Missing People with John/Jane Does...why would any of us contact family? Why get there hopes up if we dont know what we will find?

 

[liltexans]

It's my belief that LE is still searching for Holly. Given that Holly is still listed on CUE's website, and the fact that CUE is a highly reputable organization, I'm confident that searches are still occurring.

http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/index.php?s=Holly+Bobo

 

[believe09]

It's my belief that LE is still searching for Holly. Given that Holly is still listed on CUE's website, and the fact that CUE is a highly reputable organization, I'm confident that searches are still occurring.

http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/index.php?s=Holly+Bobo

And the FBI. We have an engaged LE here. Think of how all of us civilian sleuthers are obsessed....imagine being obsessed LE. And I am absolutely convinced there are members of LE who have no intention of letting this go.

 

[Oriah]

*sigh*
bumping Holly's poster again:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

 

[~n/t~]

Or the family doesnt know. Think about it-why start the family on a rollercoaster of emotion with every single search? With every single tip? It is like our policy here at WS regarding comparing Missing People with John/Jane Does...why would any of us contact family? Why get there hopes up if we dont know what we will find?

Sorry, I don't understand your post. Are you saying there are anonymous folks looking for Holly without the family's knowledge? I never heard of a situation as you describe it. Usually professional SAR teams work family members and LE.

Can you give me an example of how this is done? Do you mean like psychics and stuff? I'm curious. TIA

IMO, the best thing for Holly would be to get a criminal profiler involved or a private investigator. A new set of eyes to look at all the evidence without any outside influence such as rumours. Start from the night before Holly disappeared. Who she was with? Who were her friends? Who were her classmates? Where did she hang out? Check her computer? Check her cellphone (if it was recovered). I could go on and on.

Somebody knows something and it takes a very skilled professional to finally find the answer to this mystery. It won't be LE. Sadly, I think they've given up.:moo:

 

[deca]

Makes you wonder if the timing is all off.

Why are we assuming Holly screamed while in the carport? Since there was blood, she may have been fighting or caught off guard, no time to scream.

Wouldn’t it make more sense that she would be screaming being led (or dragged) to the woods?

jmo

We know from Clint's statements he heard voices and people walking around in the yard before he saw Holly and the suspect in the garage. So exactly where Holly was when she screamed is not known. Originally before the time line was fleshed out, I assumed Holly screamed at some point AFTER the abduction, when she was in the woods or at some point away from the house. But now it seems the scream was very early on at the start of it all. I can only assume she did not make more noise later on because she was either stunned/hurt (perhaps from a blow that caused the blood) or in fear (despite Clint's claim that she didn't seem to be in fear).

I always thought that she might have screamed at the beginning- a short burst like when someone surprises you or when BBM above happens. That would make sense with the neighbor's reaction. Because if you heard prolonged screaming, terrified screaming, etc., wouldn't you immediately call911 yourself as you were hurriedly driving over? Maybe I am wrong about the timeline, but didn't he try to call Karen first?

 

[~n/t~]

And the FBI. We have an engaged LE here. Think of how all of us civilian sleuthers are obsessed....imagine being obsessed LE. And I am absolutely convinced there are members of LE who have no intention of letting this go.

I disagree....from what was reported by the family, they are VERY frustrated with LE.

 

[Oriah]

It's my belief that LE is still searching for Holly. Given that Holly is still listed on CUE's website, and the fact that CUE is a highly reputable organization, I'm confident that searches are still occurring.

http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/index.php?s=Holly+Bobo

I am equally confident. And that's not only CUE, either- it's evidenced by NCMEC, TBI, and the FBI as well as local state and county LE.

 

[Oriah]

Sorry, I don't understand your post. Are you saying there are anonymous folks looking for Holly without the family's knowledge? I never heard of a situation as you describe it. Usually professional SAR teams work family members and LE.

Can you give me an example of how this is done? Do you mean like psychics and stuff? I'm curious. TIA

IMO, the best thing for Holly would be to get a criminal profiler involved or a private investigator. A new set of eyes to look at all the evidence without any outside influence such as rumours. Start from the night before Holly disappeared. Who she was with? Who were her friends? Who were her classmates? Where did she hang out? Check her computer? Check her cellphone (if it was recovered). I could go on and on.

Somebody knows something and it takes a very skilled professional to finally find the answer to this mystery. It won't be LE. Sadly, I think they've given up.:moo:

Professional SAR teams work with LE and family members of missing persons all the time.

They do not always report to media outlets.

 

[believe09]

honestly, n/t, I think you are missing the subtleties here. deliberately or otherwise. SAR works with Family and LE, sure. Does that mean that every grid search and scenario investigated is run past them? No, of course not. SAR works with LE-does that mean LE reports every conversation, tip and grid search to family? Of course not. It is disengenuous to believe otherwise imo.

Family is frustrated because Holly hasnt been found. Family focuses that frustration on the one entity that is available, law enforcement. Because we are taught to believe that when we are in trouble, we should go to the police and they will fix it. And if they cant fix it, we go to TBI. And if TBI can fix it, we go to the FBI. All are in play here, and Holly is still not found.

I know this story-I have had someone missing in my family for over 30 years. I know how angry you can get. The world is HUGE when you are looking for a missing person. It is like they have been sucked off of the planet.

None of that means LE isnt engaged, that LE isnt doing their job and that professional SAR arent looking for her. Armchair quarterbacking is an easy thing to do. Unless you are inside of the investigation, you have no idea and my money is on LE and my sympathy is with the Bobo's.

 

[imamaze]

I know you all have been told this before...

We are a victim friendly forum. Unless something changes Clint and his family are victims. Holly is a sister, a daughter, and a friend. You can discuss the family in the context of what we know. We DO NOT bash family and or victims. You all know this so knock it off!

Ima

 

[Chili Fries]

The problem I see with searching for Holly now is...just where do you search? I think there are two main issues affecting that:

- The searches done after she went missing were MASSIVE. A huge area was covered with thousands of people searching for days. That search effort may have been larger than any other missing persons cases posted here on Websleuths over the years.

- It does appear that Holly's abductor got her through the woods and to a waiting vehicle (I think she was probably walked straight to the vehicle instead of an ATV being used). This is evidenced by her lunchbag being found 8 miles away. So where do you target searches now? She could be anywhere. It takes tips or a POI to target searches for her.

One thing ~n/t~ brought up is the family being frustrated with LE. I don't believe we've heard them express that opinion with the way the case is being handled now but it is certainly the case with what happened right after Holly went missing. Those were the crucial moments. We don't know if LE ever got an idea of where the getaway car was stashed, so we don't know if they got possible tire tracks, but we do know the lack of roadblocks was a failure. That's another reason to want the 911 audio. Did Karen or Clint specifically communicate to the dispatcher that Holly had been taken off the property? If so, the failure was on local law enforcement's end...not communicating with each other or assessing the situation correctly. I understand that in a small, rural community the responding officers aren't going to have experience in this sort of thing but I think that's a reason to examine what happened...maybe doing so could help another local force somewhere in the future when faced with a similar incident.

 

[cluciano63]

Where to search, in any case after the initial days, is the big question, from Kyron, to Lauren to Holly to Katelyn, etc...

LE cannot search daily, indefinitely, in hopes of searching the right spot by pure chance. It is impractical and expensive. There have not been any searches for Kyron in about 18 months, the last being in early 2011 as far as I know. All these cases change to "searching based on tips only" and if there aren't any valid tips, I am not sure what the answer is.

 

[~n/t~]

The problem I see with searching for Holly now is...just where do you search? I think there are two main issues affecting that:

- The searches done after she went missing were MASSIVE. A huge area was covered with thousands of people searching for days. That search effort may have been larger than any other missing persons cases posted here on Websleuths over the years.

- It does appear that Holly's abductor got her through the woods and to a waiting vehicle (I think she was probably walked straight to the vehicle instead of an ATV being used). This is evidenced by her lunchbag being found 8 miles away. So where do you target searches now? She could be anywhere. It takes tips or a POI to target searches for her.

One thing ~n/t~ brought up is the family being frustrated with LE. I don't believe we've heard them express that opinion with the way the case is being handled now but it is certainly the case with what happened right after Holly went missing. Those were the crucial moments. We don't know if LE ever got an idea of where the getaway car was stashed, so we don't know if they got possible tire tracks, but we do know the lack of roadblocks was a failure. That's another reason to want the 911 audio. Did Karen or Clint specifically communicate to the dispatcher that Holly had been taken off the property? If so, the failure was on local law enforcement's end...not communicating with each other or assessing the situation correctly. I understand that in a small, rural community the responding officers aren't going to have experience in this sort of thing but I think that's a reason to examine what happened...maybe doing so could help another local force somewhere in the future when faced with a similar incident.

This was in October and that's the last time I remember the family voicing frustration. Before then it was in the Jackson Sun article. Before that it was around Easter a year ago when the searches were suddenly stopped and the community volunteers also expressed frustration.

October 28, 2011

PARSONS, TN (WSMV) -
Inside Holly Bobo's home, Holly's mother Karen Bobo starts each day the same way, with a call to the TBI.

"I call every day and ask 'is there anything you can tell me today,'" Bobo said.

For the last two months, she's been getting the same reply.

"Of course their answer is not today. We're just not hearing anything and of course almost six months into it just gets more frustrating every day and harder every day," Bobo said.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/15591112/holly-bobos-family-expresses-frustration

 

[~n/t~]

Where to search, in any case after the initial days, is the big question, from Kyron, to Lauren to Holly to Katelyn, etc...

LE cannot search daily, indefinitely, in hopes of searching the right spot by pure chance. It is impractical and expensive. There have not been any searches for Kyron in about 18 months, the last being in early 2011 as far as I know. All these cases change to "searching based on tips only" and if there aren't any valid tips, I am not sure what the answer is.

I agree and that's why I suggested that it would probably be best if they get a new set of eyes to look at this case and take it from there.

A criminal profiler would be a start, imo

 

[believe09]

I would think the chances are pretty strong that a profiler has laid eyes on Holly's case. The FBI has unlimited resources. JMVHO.

 

[~n/t~]

I would think the chances are pretty strong that a profiler has laid eyes on Holly's case. The FBI has unlimited resources. JMVHO.

I disagree.