TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #33

[MizStery]

Yes, we've been through this many times before. And I'm sorry - I'm not prepared to accept the conjecture that Tennesseans are automatically hicks who don't realize the importance of exact language when, say, one's sister has just been removed from the property by - apparently by - someone a witness does not recognize,. someone of apparent bad intent.

The language here changed for one of two reasons and neither of them, I think, was because the word choice was colloquial.

JMO and all that. Dang. Holly girl, where the heck are you??

My entire family is from the NE corner of Mississippi. In fact my Aunt and 1st cousin from Memphis were just here in Seattle visiting. They were going on an Alaska cruise.

I am very offended that people on this thread keep making us out to be in need of interpreters. I am with all due respect bringing this up because it is stereotyping. My father,mother,aunts,uncles,cousins and myself can speak and be clearly understood. There are things that we may say i.e. the 'eye' of the stove. We say that instead of 'burner' because a wood stove has 'eye'...but in context it is clear what is meant. MOO

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Thanks Carla. We assume Holly's car was in the garage and that is where the blood was found according to Clint. He said in the garage. Why is Dana now saying Holly never made it to her car?

I think people are reading too much into things or grasping for hidden meaning. Its obvious she didn't make it to her car (or else she would have gotten in and driven away). Something happened before she got in the car, simple as that.

 

[wfgodot]

Just as - above - I am not prepared to think southerners to be users of inexact, colloquial language when confronted with situations dire enough to merit exact usage, I am also befuddled when, throughout these Bobo threads, small towns are all taken to be exact copies of one another in their demeanor in the face of one of their own gone missing. The small town stereotype - clannish, inward-looking, knowers-of-all-secrets-pertaining-to-their-residents - is utter bosh. Each small town has its own individual character. And this character is especially an independent one when residents are faced with unhappy doings. To paraphrase Tolstoy on families: "All happy small towns are alike; each unhappy small town is unhappy in its own way."

 

[Darcyline]

I can see how led or took got translated into drug in the first initial reports. Different regions use different words differently. It has nothing to do with "being a stupid hick who needs a translator"-every region will have its own language uses. Carry was a big one for me. People here use carry to mean take. I use carry to mean literally hold in arms. One of my teachers one time (educated, brilliant woman who I still keep in close contact with 10+ years later) told me to carry a student who was misbehaving to the Principal's office. I literally had no idea what she meant because the student was my age and bigger than me and I interpreted that to mean literally hold him in your arms and carry him there. However, to HER and to this region carry means more like take-take him to the office. I don't think of ANYONE I know as stupid hicks who cannot talk correctly just because they use a word in a slightly different way than I do.
Keeping my own experiences in mind of traveling a lot I can see why the initial few days where things are crazy and media is leaping all over it would lead to something being printed with drug when led would have been a better word. It was pretty much corrected quickly with the better word so that has never been a huge deal for me except for the fact that I still think it would make more sense if he had drug her or dragged her or at least held onto her elbow.

 

[liltexans]

Two questions (don't kill me I swear I know less now than I did a year ago)

1. I thought that both the male neighbor and his mom heard the screams, but now it sounds like only he heard the scream(s) then told his mom about it. Is that correct? If it is correct, how can the mom describe them at all, in particular "bloodcurdling"? If it was bloodcurdling, it is strange that the man went off to work, so I think that it wasn't bloodcurdling.

2. They found some belonging of HB by the river? Do people have cabins by the river in this area?

I'm not sure I believe anyone heard a scream. We have a report that the neighbor's son heard a scream, yet his own mother didn't and Clint didn't either. And the neighbor's son has never spoken to the media about this supposed scream? And he didn't call 911 to report it? Very fishy in my opinion.

 

[wfgodot]

Here's TBI on the "drug" matter, failing to put a (sic) by the usage and thus evidently condoning it as proper English:

Holly Bobo was last seen by a family member being drug across the carport of
her home on Swan Johnson Road toward a wooded area by a man wearing
camouflage clothing.

Don't get me started on TBI.

 

[Almondjoy]

I think people are reading too much into things or grasping for hidden meaning. Its obvious she didn't make it to her car (or else she would have gotten in and driven away). Something happened before she got in the car, simple as that.

I agree with you. I don't think he meant she never got to the carport, as her blood was there.

 

[Almondjoy]

Thanks for transcribing Karen Anne. I tried to look for the story on their site but nothing was posted there.

Is this the same Fox 17? http://www.fox17.com/newsroom/

Anyway no big deal. It would've been nice if they posted something online about the searches. Monica was in New York on Friday so I don't think CUE was involved with this particular search unless they have other teams helping out. fwiw ..nothing was posted on her FB page for the river search.https://www.facebook.com/pages/Holly-BOBO/143328765735668#!/monica.caison.3

I'm somewhat confused about them saying Holly never made it to her car. I thought her car was in the carport and Clint saw both Holly and the perp in the carport? Have I been thinking this for over a year and that's not the case? Now I'm confused again.

In looking for the Fox17 update, I came across another story. A memorial service was held for Erika Sharpton, a nursing student from Tullahoma, Tenn. 24 year old, homicide victim. No suspects. Could there be a connection to Holly Bobo's case? I'm surprised it wasn't even mentioned or was it and I missed it? http://www.newschannel5.com/story/18972716/memorial-held-for-murdered-tullahoma-nursing-student

I'm not sure if anyone replied to you yet. The Fox 17 you linked is out of Middle Tennessee, and this particular station is in Nashville. I'm not sure which Fox affiliate ran the story, but my guess is that it would be the one out of West Tennessee, where The Bobo's live.

As for the Tullahoma nursing student, I'm watching that one. She was apparently killed by blunt force trauma, then her body was set on fire in a car. Her car was found in an adjoining county, close to where I live. If I hear anything new, I'll post. I don't think they have a suspect yet.

 

[~n/t~]

I think people are reading too much into things or grasping for hidden meaning. Its obvious she didn't make it to her car (or else she would have gotten in and driven away). Something happened before she got in the car, simple as that.

I'm not grasping for hidden meanings. I'm looking for a clear and concise crime scene without any assumptions of oh no that's not what he meant.

I'm not sure why that is so difficult to do in this case. From drug to led. From never made it to her car meaning she never made into her car. Well, I'm sorry but these details do make it confusing.

I must live in a different world.

 

[Almondjoy]

O.k., while we are throwing things out there that are driving us crazy, I would really like to know if there is a door directly from the house into the attached carport. I think Clint said he grabbed a gun and went out the back door and through the garage, where he saw the blood. Isn't the back door more by the pool? Or is there another back door?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I'm not grasping for hidden meanings. I'm looking for a clear and concise crime scene without any assumptions of oh no that's not what he meant.

I'm not sure why that is so difficult to do in this case. From drug to led. From never made it to her car meaning she never made into her car. Well, I'm sorry but these details do make it confusing.

I must live in a different world.

IDK to me not making it to the car is quite clear and accurate. Its a different matter with the drag/led/ etc. part but its not fair to just mix up everything together. Its best to look at individual statements or details independently.

Remember too that NO ONE EXCEPT CLINT was at the house so any statements by ANYONE else are heresay or their interpretation of things and not gospel fact.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

O.k., while we are throwing things out there that are driving us crazy, I would really like to know if there is a door directly from the house into the attached carport. I think Clint said he grabbed a gun and went out the back door and through the garage, where he saw the blood. Isn't the back door more by the pool? Or is there another back door?

We don't know. I assume since there is a little deck next to the pool and apparently close to the kitchen area of the house that there is a door there. Since Clint said he looked into the garage area from inside the house I assume there is some sort of doorway into the area where they park the cars. But there are no published photos showing any of this for sure.

The back of the Bobo house is SIMILAR to this one except there is a solid wooden panel alongside the left side of the car port area and its not open on that side and perhaps solid on the other side as well.

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Its similar to this... again one or both sides are enclosed on the Bobo home.

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[Oriah]

I can see how led or took got translated into drug in the first initial reports. Different regions use different words differently. It has nothing to do with "being a stupid hick who needs a translator"-every region will have its own language uses. Carry was a big one for me. People here use carry to mean take. I use carry to mean literally hold in arms. One of my teachers one time (educated, brilliant woman who I still keep in close contact with 10+ years later) told me to carry a student who was misbehaving to the Principal's office. I literally had no idea what she meant because the student was my age and bigger than me and I interpreted that to mean literally hold him in your arms and carry him there. However, to HER and to this region carry means more like take-take him to the office. I don't think of ANYONE I know as stupid hicks who cannot talk correctly just because they use a word in a slightly different way than I do.
Keeping my own experiences in mind of traveling a lot I can see why the initial few days where things are crazy and media is leaping all over it would lead to something being printed with drug when led would have been a better word. It was pretty much corrected quickly with the better word so that has never been a huge deal for me except for the fact that I still think it would make more sense if he had drug her or dragged her or at least held onto her elbow.

BBM:
I agree entirely, darcy. Such a cluster of misunderstanding, and Holly lost in the middle.

So anyway... redirecting here a bit...
As it is summer again and lots of community, social, camp and mission-type projects in action- please can folks keep a close eye out in areas such as the Land b/t the Lakes:
http://lbl.org/index.html and any other public recreation areas, for anything unusual?

These types of locations are incredibly difficult to fully clear by LE and SAR, and are often hugely helped by the general public keeping an open eye out for changes in the environment.

 

[believe09]

Guys, I want to ask about the tags I see here. "unreliable narrator" "alleged abduction" "cake of confusion".

It isnt an alleged abduction-it is one. LE states and so we must follow to stay within TOS I think. The other two I dont understand whatsoever-tags are supposed to help bring internet traffic to the thread, right? What do those other ones mean? TIA.

 

[wfgodot]

I took down "alleged abduction" and "unreliable narrator"; "Cake of Confusion," though arising from one of my posts - and I'm honored to have been quoted - isn't mine.

 

[~n/t~]

IDK to me not making it to the car is quite clear and accurate. Its a different matter with the drag/led/ etc. part but its not fair to just mix up everything together. Its best to look at individual statements or details independently.

Remember too that NO ONE EXCEPT CLINT was at the house so any statements by ANYONE else are heresay or their interpretation of things and not gospel fact.

The versions of this crime has changed so many times that I don't know what to believe anymore. One of the reasons I brought up Dana's comment made on Fox17 is that perhaps after the family got information from LE it became clear that perhaps Holly never made it to her car. In other words, maybe the whole home invasion theory is how it all came down. Maybe the perp did grab Holly from the front door as she was going to her car. Regarding the blood, we already know there have been differing versions from puddle to pool to flecks. In the garage, on the lawn, etc etc

I believe the only one who knows the truth is Holly.

 

[wfgodot]

Just how many times has the narrative of this tale changed? Three? Four? More than four but less than a dozen?

 

[~n/t~]

Just how many times has the narrative of this tale changed? Three? Four? More than four but less than a dozen?

More than any other case I've followed in the 10 + years I've followed cases.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Holly's coke can and blood was found beside the car, so it would seem that she made it that far, but maybe not into her car.

It occurred to me that maybe they went out into the driveway, stayed there for a bit, and then she was taken; hence "abducted from the driveway."

In the very beginning, TBI put on their web site that she had been drug away, and I believe that is exactly what happened. They also described it as a "violent abduction."

In spite of changing stories, the most relevant quote to me is that "things are not as they appear." Meaning to me, that things happened differently than what is being reported by all. (Possibly due to the effort to solve the crime.)

Changes in description of the abductor may have been made to protect the eye witness, for example.

Also, the garage is attached to the home, technically making it part of the home, hence the words "home invasion."

As to the Fox17 news story, I can't find it online, but there are a number of sites for them, maybe I'm looking at the wrong ones. I recorded it last night, and will keep it.

If you record something with your cell phone, is there a way to get it online ? I send photos all the time to my email, but the one time I tried to send a video, it didn't work; the email attachment wasn't there, or it didn't work, I don't remember.

The other Tennessee Nursing student who also drove a mustang... well, now I just don't have any words I can say.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

I'm not grasping for hidden meanings. I'm looking for a clear and concise crime scene without any assumptions of oh no that's not what he meant.

I'm not sure why that is so difficult to do in this case. From drug to led. From never made it to her car meaning she never made into her car. Well, I'm sorry but these details do make it confusing.

I must live in a different world.

I'm in that world with you.

It seems for so many statements, we have another one that says something different. It's maddening to me.

I believe that it's done for a reason, though, and one we all would be ok with when or if we ever find out.