TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #35

[~n/t~]

I keep trying to think of what more we could do to help if we are not from the area.

I think someone brought up a good idea awhile back. If there was a current satellite photo of the area where we could zoom in and search from our computers, we could split up the area in grid searches and slowly but surely end up searching a lot of ground that way. But the application would have to be able to zoom down to very detailed view, like where a soda can could be found and seen.

I think I heard something similar was done in the case of a missing plane + pilot who ditched the plane. I think in a suicide or something.

Maybe this could be the future of these kinds of searches if the people who run those satellite earth image websites could get current views with enough detail where people could do this type of searching as a volunteer group around the nation or world.

Would have to have the proper application, and then some sort of organization in how the searching could be assigned to different people in different GPS coordinates or something.

If only. No doubt there would be a whole bunch of us searching if this was available to the public. *sigh*

Do you know what program was used for that airplane search you referred to in your post? TIA

 

[Chili Fries]

A couple of other ways this case might be solved:
If whomever is giving an alibi rescinds it.
If someone in jail overhears something.
If a girlfriend of the perp finds something out and comes forward.
If out-of-the-blue someone remembers something, or a tip that was
phoned in but had gotten lost or glossed over is acted upon.

The perp commits another crime, his DNA is entered into a LE database and matches with DNA taken from the lunchpurse/phone/Bobo property.

 

[~n/t~]

The perp commits another crime, his DNA is entered into a LE database and matches with DNA taken from the lunchpurse/phone/Bobo property.

Yup like Amber Dubois case. Hope not.

 

[Hatfield]

If only. No doubt there would be a whole bunch of us searching if this was available to the public. *sigh*

Do you know what program was used for that airplane search you referred to in your post? TIA

I found a reference to it......

"The search for aviator Steve Fossett, whose plane went missing in Nevada in 2007, in which up to 50,000 people examined high-resolution satellite imagery from DigitalGlobe that was made available via Amazon Mechanical Turk. The search was ultimately unsuccessful.[28][29] Fosset's remains were eventually located by more traditional means.[30] DigitalGlobe satellite imagery had previously been posted to Amazon Mechanical Turk after the disappearance of computer scientist Jim Gray at sea in January 2007, an effort that had attracted much media attention, but not provided any new clues.[31][32][33][34] "

There is probably more info that can be found on it. Found the above reference in this link, but not much more about it:

link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_crowdsourcing_projects


This link is interesting, and maybe this is not pie in the sky afterall....

http://news.discovery.com/tech/satellite-images-reveal-secrets-111212.html

 

[Xavier]

I keep trying to think of what more we could do to help if we are not from the area.

I think someone brought up a good idea awhile back. If there was a current satellite photo of the area where we could zoom in and search from our computers, we could split up the area in grid searches and slowly but surely end up searching a lot of ground that way. But the application would have to be able to zoom down to very detailed view, like where a soda can could be found and seen.

I think I heard something similar was done in the case of a missing plane + pilot who ditched the plane. I think in a suicide or something.

Maybe this could be the future of these kinds of searches if the people who run those satellite earth image websites could get current views with enough detail where people could do this type of searching as a volunteer group around the nation or world.

Would have to have the proper application, and then some sort of organization in how the searching could be assigned to different people in different GPS coordinates or something.

Hatfield---If you find the Bobo's home residence, then go to a site like www.spokeo.com you migh tbe able to get an aerial view of the home, carport, etc.

 

[Xavier]

I never read this story before, kind of interesting about an Ohio man interfering with Holly's search

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...ring-in-case-of-missing-tenn-nursing-student/


"Lead, Follow or Get the Heck Out of My Way" Lee Iacocca/Chrysler CEO

 

[Xavier]

This story is about a known sex offender having lived near the Bobo's...


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20090242-504083.html

 

[reedus23]

JMO
It was much more than that though. She actually appeared to know she was already kidnapped right away.

She started calling everyone they knew to come help search for her, freaked out at the school, told Clint to get a gun, called 911, etc. All these things based only on somone hearing a scream and knowing it was someone else beside Drew??? It could have been another friend in a simple argument with her and wanting to talk with her, so they walked in the woods to talk for all they knew.
Which is why I don't think we were provided an accurate understanding of exactly what was told to who and when.

Something she knew or was told on the calls made her know it was a kidnapping and life or death situation. Whether it was some prior things that happened in Holly's life shortly before the events of that day OR whether it was based on things said during the phone calls, something made her realize it right away that a kidnapping had occurred.

First, you're right, we don't know everything LE or the family knows. Never will. We weren't there. Having said that, I can tell you that my daughter was home sick one day. I called her 20 times with no answer and I freaked out and drove 90 all the way home just to find out she had been sleeping and didn't hear the phone. Now maybe I'm an overprotective parent, but if someone told me they heard screams coming from my house, and then someone told me they saw my daughter, at the crack of dawn, walking into the woods with someone believed to be her bf, when I knew it was physically impossible that it was her bf, yes I'd freak out. I don't know who or how many people I'd call, but yes I'd freak out. I don't think it's difficult to put screams plus stranger taking her into the woods to figure out whatever is happening isn't good. Having said that, yes, of course the family and LE know more about what was said or happened.

 

[reedus23]

I guess everyone is going to have their personal story. This was a chaotic scene going on. Clint was absolutely no help at all. He didn't hear her scream. I maintain that to solve the crime on msg. boards, it would behoove the sleuthers to eliminate his account.

IMO, they put him in the car because he was no help at all and kept him busy doing something. I find it highly unusual in this type of scene to remove a family member and place him in the car writing a report. If I were the officer I would be drilling him not telling him to write. This was a witness, not a victim to a crime. I have been a witness and my report was not taken the day of the crime. Interviews, yes. Investigative reports, later.

It would be helpful to see the responding officers reports, the 911s, etc. The police and the TBI do not want the public's help. The members in the community are also not talking and probably have been suggested not to talk. AFAIK, they never did and they never asked the community or public for any help. On the contrary, one who stepped out on his own and tried to investigate was harassed and his home ransacked and he lived out of state.

That was the only response/action taken in this case...pretty aggressive, imo. This pretty much sealed the deal for anyone to dare overstep their bounds and ask questions around town or the internet. The family, LE and the TBI are not talking.

I think it's a bit harsh to say no help at all. He was able to give a general description. He was able to lock down the timeline, otherwise you're looking at a wider open time frame. He was able to lock down general direction. Just because a witness can't identify a perp doesn't mean their testimony isn't helpful. Eliminating a witness' account is not wise. It doesn't mean you don't take it with a grain of salt and either verify or disprove aspects of it, but to not consider it just isn't wise with all due respect.

I also think the public has talked, probably too much. It really seems to me that rumors and people injecting themselves into the investigation have led to just about everyone having the finger pointed at them, which I do believe is caused in part with LE's silence. I would love to read reports and 911 transcripts, especially now, so long after Holly disappearing. If close to the vest isn't working, maybe it's time.

As for the Tony Calebrese (sp?), it may have been overboard, but it appeared he was warned. He's really a distraction and what he did or didn't do, what was done or not done to him, is what should be eliminated and ignored because answering those questions don't help find Holly.

All just my humble opinion obviously.

 

[reedus23]

I read that the brother got a gun before going outside, so this might have been why the cops wanted him in the car, and then again maybe not. Did the brother ever say if he thought Holly and the man were aware of him being in the house and awake? When they were walking and heard her phone ring, and saw who was calling, it seems like he would have known the jig was up, that the brother was up and had seen them, but no, they just ignored the phone. so weird.

If they saw the perp saw he was trying to call Holly, and that's if, I truly doubt he would have answered. All it did was probably make him get out of dodge even faster.

 

[reedus23]

I totally agree. I have never seen a case like this where even LE clams up totally.

I have to give some credit to the family members for eventually providing some information, but what has been so bothersome is how it took so long for any information to come out. In the early crtiical days, there was nothing at all of any substance.

There was a certain early Channel 5 news report that was beyond ridiculous. Even the news lady became frustrated as she asked for any info to help find her, and they would not answer anything at all. It was sad, and is why it almost seems like they may already know what happened, and just cant say anything.

We all remember the JVM interview where a person literally walks off the interview as specifics were trying to be asked about.

Then finally we hear of a "pink purse" that may have been with her. Why wait so long for this kind of information to be stated. It just doesnt make any sense. If you have a loved one missing, you would want to provide all info to help find her. There is no way I would hold back anything if it was something that could help find her. Even if LE was saying not to say anything, I would never listen to that instruction if I had info that would help find her. Especilally after so long has gone by.

Little doubt the family was originally quiet at the request/advice of LE. I think slowly but surely they felt that approach wasn't doing any good and began relating some information. I absolutely agree 100% that LE should have provided more information at the outset as to what exactly Holly was wearing or carrying as that would give the public an idea of what to keep an eye open for. Having said that, they may or may not have given searchers an idea. I have no idea.

 

[reedus23]

Great job detaling this scene out.

If the "unknown " guy in hunting clothes walked into the woods and Holly's brother watched them walk off, Why does'nt he go after them OR CALL for extra help from a neighbor or LE?

Clint already got a call to get a gun. So how could they walk away and get out of sight?

They walked. They did'nt drive off on a RV, car, chopper. It seems easy to be able to trail behind them?

WOW, how can they not have a sense of urgency to help??

Because he still thought it was her bf. No reason to go charging off. Once the neighbor filled him in on the screams, he did call 911 but they were already there, so of course he's not going to go running into the woods. I see nothing CB did inappropriately under the circumstances. Now I do wish LE would have handled things differently at the outset.

 

[reedus23]

The well known detective William Dear should be brought into work this case.

This is beyond goofball LE conduct not being able to make any kind of progress in this case.

Det Dear is famous for his theory and verifiable evidence of OJ Simpson's son being the real murderer of Nicole Brown/Ron Goldman.

"Life is Hard. It's even Harder if You're Stupid" ----John Wayne

Why hasn't his son been charged then?

 

[reedus23]

I agree. I have been saying for a long time now that it is probably going to take someone with no ties to the area to come in and help solve this mystery. Either a private investigator or some sort of investigative reporter would really help in this case.

I think if the right type of person came in and were able to contact the right people, I think the answers could be found out, and may be surprisingly easy if the right person came in.

So many things are disturbing about this case. I just remembered one thing that happened in the very first week that I found very disturbing. There were T-shirts being sold during the very first few days of her being missing. It was crazy, because it was literally only about 3 days after she went missing, and T-shirts were alredy being sold. My goodness, I would still be having trouble accepting that she was actually missing and I would be offended to have T-shirts be printed. From my rememberence, I think the T-shirt coordination was from a friend of the family, and not the family themselves. If it were my family, I know I would have not allowed that so early because I would still be hoping she would show up or be found at any moment.

So many things about this case are disturbing.

Are you suggesting the families involvement? I think it's unfair to say how anyone should react. I do agree though that too many people got too involved too fast and the family probably didn't know how to react.

 

[Xavier]

Why hasn't his son been charged then?

Redus --- Good Question why Simpson's son Jason has'nt been investigated.


Det. Dear has gone on record as saying the LA PD really wants the case closed..

Amazing as that sounds. Plus, OJ's serving about 12 years for kidnapping right now.

 

[OneLove]

So on the tee shirts (sorry, don't know many details), were these like walking posters with her picture and information on them saying she was missing? Because that would be a BRILLIANT way to get word out fast with lots and lots of people in the area walking around wearing the shirts. Sooooo much more effective than just sitting and waiting for a bureaucratic investigation to come up with something.

 

[Whisperer]

Because he still thought it was her bf. No reason to go charging off. Once the neighbor filled him in on the screams, he did call 911 but they were already there, so of course he's not going to go running into the woods. I see nothing CB did inappropriately under the circumstances. Now I do wish LE would have handled things differently at the outset.

Clint received a call from Karen telling him it was not Drew and to get a gun and go after them.

It was said that when he was going, he was stopped by a neighbor showing up. IMO, nothing should have deterred him after his mother gave him those orders.

It makes no sense to me and we have never got one ounce of clarity on it.

What stopped him from going after them? Why didn't the dogs trail her? The perp only had x10 on them. WTH?

 

[Xavier]

Clint received a call from Karen telling him it was not Drew and to get a gun and go after them.

It was said that when he was going, he was stopped by a neighbor showing up. IMO, nothing should have deterred him after his mother gave him those orders.

It makes no sense to me and we have never got one ounce of clarity on it.

What stopped him from going after them? Why didn't the dogs trail her? The perp only had x10 on them. WTH?

Whisperer -- Thanks for the clarification. What I don't get is why did'nt Clint and the neighbor go off searching for Holly and the mystery man?
Clint had good reason to on instructions from Karen.

So what did the neighbor do or say to persuade Clint from searching for Holly?

Did'nt the neighbor live about a 1/4 mile away? How could someone hear a scream that far away, unless it was a really loud, primal scream out of fear?


IMO the Mom knew of the perp's criminal past or bad past and reacted so vigorously when the incident happened. The Mom probably warned Holly to stay clear of the mystery man/perp.

 

[reedus23]

Why didn't Clint hear her scream? Where was he? If a neighbor a 1/4 mile away heard it, what stopped Clint from not hearing it?

Simple answer. Sleeping.

 

[reedus23]

It's been speculated that Clint wasn't totally convinced Holly was in danger. He thought the man in camo was Drew. Even when he saw the blood by the carport or in the carport, he thought it was turkey blood. I'm not sure how that fits into the time line because by this time, one would assume Clint was outside. Is this when the neighbour shows up? Did he have the gun or did he get the gun after? Karen told him to get a gun but maybe he didn't when Karen told him to? IDK

Agreed n/t. And not just speculated. Straight from the horse's mouth. He had no reason and wasn't concerned until after the neighbor arrived at the house. It wasn't until then that he had enough information to be concerned.