Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #6

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #41
Remember when we were discussing the ig posts of the gluten food on their pages, and I suggested that even though it was back in Dec. he might have been planning on abducting her then? It has been confirmed that they were seen together over Christmas.

There is possibility that he was planning on taking her whether she was willing or not. If that is the case, he very well could have been preparing for months in advance.

I firmly believe he was planning this for a long time. Months, maybe even years. I believe adding ET was new to his escape, like new in the last 3-6 months, and that should be the focus of the investigation. What changes did he need to make, what stuff did he need to buy, to include her in the escape?
 
  • #42
But if they ditched his car and have anouther can they may not see it's them unless they have entry cams that face the windshield and not just the back of the car

Sent from my Z981 using Tapatalk

True. The license plate could have changed by now too. Passports would have their names on them but I wouldn't think names are recorded as people drive through. I don't really know about that. I've never been to Mexico by land or air. And, of course, there are such things as fake documents.
 
  • #43
Social media plays an enormous role in these cases. Does everyone remember the AH case in NConway and the inventive uses of social media to get that girl back, a girl that even the townsfolk felt had run away. There was an individual who was very savvy and really worked hard on all this and I went searching and found his name. Paul Kirsch, I would suggest getting into contact with him and see what advice he would give you. His screen name here was pkirsch2013 and his email was [email protected]. They even had billboards erected on major highways. It was amazing and the constant public pressure was instrumental in getting that child back alive.
 
  • #44
I firmly believe he was planning this for a long time. Months, maybe even years. I believe adding ET was new to his escape, like new in the last 3-6 months, and that should be the focus of the investigation. What changes did he need to make, what stuff did he need to buy, to include her in the escape?

Definitely gluten free food, since she has an allergy to wheat. I'm wondering if he already had a place waiting on them?
 
  • #45
Definitely gluten free food, since she has an allergy to wheat. I'm wondering if he already had a place waiting on them?

I believe had a place waiting and it is stocked well. IMO he is waiting for the media attention to die down and then will move her and begin phase 2 of his plan
 
  • #46
Social media plays an enormous role in these cases. Does everyone remember the AH case in NConway and the inventive uses of social media to get that girl back, a girl that even the townsfolk felt had run away. There was an individual who was very savvy and really worked hard on all this and I went searching and found his name. Paul Kirsch, I would suggest getting into contact with him and see what advice he would give you. His screen name here was pkirsch2013 and his email was [email protected]. They even had billboards erected on major highways. It was amazing and the constant public pressure was instrumental in getting that child back alive.

What kind of inventive uses of social media?
 
  • #47
He was researching topics about survival, could he have found someone online that sold him a bunker?
 
  • #48
May this be the thread that changes to "LOCATED", and Elizabeth is found safe!

Sent from my SM-G928T using Tapatalk

I can't believe they still haven't been found...I had been hoping we weren't going to go past Thread 2! Now here we are on 6. It's been two weeks, surely they have to be running out of supplies by now.
 
  • #49
The reason I don't suspect TC using the Dark Net or rallying help from other sex offenders is I believe he is thoroughly entrenched in his hero complex. I don't think he considers himself a sex offender. I think he has slowly rationalized his behavior as unconventional but necessary to save her. He is in his shining moment now (in his head)--he is the FBI agent, CIA operative, rogue vigilante saving someone he admires.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Saving her, and using her for sex. Messed up.
 
  • #50
Kat confirmed that Elizabeth's other sister did not question her when she said to call the cops if she wasn't home by 6:00. Also, according to what I've read, all Elizabeth said was that she was going to see a friend. So, in one sense, she was ok with going to meet him but on the other hand she was afraid of what was going to happen. I'm just thinking out loud here and trying to make sense of it all...

Rocket, you're trying to make sense in your world, not hers. It's kind of like trying to understand how someone acts in crisis mode, but you're not in crisis. I lost one of my children once at a park and ran through a plate glass window, right through it. Didn't even see it, I was in such a panic. Looking back I snicker at how stupid I was, but I was in crisis mode, my child was missing and I didn't even see the plate glass window. ET is a child and she's used to having adults tell her what to do and she follows without question. It's amazing, but even teens will do what they're told by an adult even if they feel scared or that it's wrong because they're taught to do what the adult tells them. It's why, even years later, if you have to meet with a principal at a school for your own child you will often get a bit panicky and revert to how you felt as a child when you were called to the office. It's why if your mother calls you and tells you to clean your room, even at 40, you'll feel compelled to do it. So we have a 15 year old child, a teacher who is making demands and she's compelled to do what he wants even if she doesn't want to and he's old enough to know this so he plays on her youthful indecision. "I know you want to end things, but I just want to say goodbye" or "I understand, but I wanted to do this one thing for you before we end things" or even worse "you need to talk to me face to face or I'll tell your father you said, or did or wrote blah blah". Remember these children also feel that what they are doing is wrong and they can misinterpret the anger being directed at the adult, to the themselves. It's why children blame themselves for parents' divorces. All they see is anger and they feel they're bad (added to the fact that she feels ugly) and they're just begging for the guilt in the situation. This guilt is something that predators use to their advantage. Every child who has been abused feels they are the one at fault, not one or some, but every one of them. And that gets further twisted by the predator who uses it to control their victim. It's impossible to understand as an adult, an even harder to understand when we're sitting in a safe place.
 
  • #51
has anyone thought of the possibility of them going to mexico? I know they were possibly sighted in corpus Christie last week, but not been confirmed

I am personally exploring all possibilities. What I am REALLY concerned about is if he had or had received access to stolen plates.
 
  • #52
What kind of inventive uses of social media?

The billboards was one, they set up a find site and her mother used that to communicate to her daughter with letters and videos, they bombarded websites, did tv interviews both locally and nationwide, every walmart had her missing flyer. It was just amazing how much work they put into it. It appeared that they were able to get many things donated and I think they also got involved with Equusearch? I don't remember exactly the organizations but there were a couple that were very helpful. I think they had a call center set up too, and a centralized location for people to email information.
 
  • #53
Does anyone know if he has long lost relatives or old friends/acquaintances in say Arizona? Or the western states?
 
  • #54
Remember when we were discussing the ig posts of the gluten food on their pages, and I suggested that even though it was back in Dec. he might have been planning on abducting her then? It has been confirmed that they were seen together over Christmas.

There is possibility that he was planning on taking her whether she was willing or not. If that is the case, he very well could have been preparing for months in advance.
If the IG posts are hers then IMO there is no doubt that she went willingly. But if they shared passwords and he was posting as her then that's different. She did go to the restaurant when he was next door to meet hi. Right now I'll take they are hers until otherwise
 
  • #55
Romantic emails between missing Tennessee girl and teacher send mixed messages



http://www.crimeonline.com/2017/03/...nnessee-girl-and-teacher-send-mixed-messages/

Yes, yes, yes! And because I see we're at that place again where confusion arises due to reports of ET's seemingly conflicting behavior, I'll mention again that I have decades of personal experience with a narcissistic manipulator and I can tell you first-hand that these types excel at taking you on a emotional rollercoaster of such extremes that often times, you don't know what hit you until it's too late. Being caught up in this type of relationship is dangerous, even without the predator element that exists in this particular instance, as you lose all sense of your individuality and your judgement gets skewed very easily. You're submissive and co-dependent one minute, then repulsed by the other person the next, then lured back into the relationship before you know it. Your behavior when under this "spell" doesn't make logical sense to anyone who hasn't experienced it.

In short, think of all the physically abused people you heard of who kept going back to their abuser and apply that here. Emotional manipulation is a powerful and dangerous weapon that is not nearly talked about enough, IMO.
 
  • #56
Yes, yes, yes! And because I see we're at that place again where confusion arises due to reports of ET's seemingly conflicting behavior, I'll mention again that I have decades of personal experience with a narcissistic manipulator and I can tell you first-hand that these types excel at taking you on a emotional rollercoaster of such extremes that often times, you don't know what hit you until it's too late. Being caught up in this type of relationship is dangerous, even without the predator element that exists in this particular instance, as you lose all sense of your individuality and your judgement gets skewed very easily. You're submissive and co-dependent one minute, then repulsed by the other person the next, then lured back into the relationship before you know it. Your behavior when under this "spell" doesn't make logical sense to anyone who hasn't experienced it.

In short, think of all the physically abused people you heard of who kept going back to their abuser and apply that here. Emotional manipulation is a powerful and dangerous weapon that is not nearly talked about enough, IMO.
It's because they are experts at gaslighting and can make you feel like you are the crazy one sometimes.
 
  • #57
Not necessarily teaming up with someone, but a sympathetic few that might help give him cover.

I mean they are hiding somewhere or it is the worst case scenario. With really no confirmed sightings after Decatur, they have to be off the grid or someone helping. Since ET's sister has said roughing it on the woods isn't ET's thing and this wasn't spur of the moment, it seems like there had to be a plan.

Also it seems to me that he is the type that would have to talk about this to someone other than her and he could have hooked up with someone online that thinks like him.

I think this is about an adult with emotional problems crossing many lines. I don't think he is working with anyone else.

The above is my opinion only.
 
  • #58
True. The license plate could have changed by now too. Passports would have their names on them but I wouldn't think names are recorded as people drive through. I don't really know about that. I've never been to Mexico by land or air. And, of course, there are such things as fake documents.
Let me try to find the link again I posted it in thread two or three I think it is crazy how easy it is to get in to Mexico but blending while there would be tough


Sent from my Z981 using Tapatalk
 
  • #59
Yes, yes, yes! And because I see we're at that place again where confusion arises due to reports of ET's seemingly conflicting behavior, I'll mention again that I have decades of personal experience with a narcissistic manipulator and I can tell you first-hand that these types excel at taking you on a emotional rollercoaster of such extremes that often times, you don't know what hit you until it's too late. Being caught up in this type of relationship is dangerous, even without the predator element that exists in this particular instance, as you lose all sense of your individuality and your judgement gets skewed very easily. You're submissive and co-dependent one minute, then repulsed by the other person the next, then lured back into the relationship before you know it. Your behavior when under this "spell" doesn't make logical sense to anyone who hasn't experienced it.

In short, think of all the physically abused people you heard of who kept going back to their abuser and apply that here. Emotional manipulation is a powerful and dangerous weapon that is not nearly talked about enough, IMO.

Exactly. We have a couple in town that are repeat customers for LE. He beats her, she calls police, when police arrive she changes to a protective mode and fights police off her husband, he gets taken in overnight she goes to ER to get bones set, or stitched up, he receives court summons, they go to court and she refuses to testify, he gets fined and sent to counseling and about 5 or 6 months later the whole circus starts again. Been going on for about 30 years now. She'll never leave him, she loves him and she fluctuates between being embarrassed and fierce loyalty. Now that's an adult, change that to be 15 and being in school for the first time in your life, you've just been removed from your mother's care because you were abused there, you feel like a freak, you don't know any of these kids, you feel all alone and a teacher (the one all the kids think is cool) is your friend and he "likes" you. A bit overpowering and a political tricky road for an adult to navigate, I can't imagine trying to navigate that at 15.
 
  • #60
True. The license plate could have changed by now too. Passports would have their names on them but I wouldn't think names are recorded as people drive through. I don't really know about that. I've never been to Mexico by land or air. And, of course, there are such things as fake documents.
But I do have a friend that lives in Mexico who I might be able to get the word out there do you rembering the Trisha Todd case it is her brother and I would bet he will help I'll pm him

Sent from my Z981 using Tapatalk
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
114
Guests online
2,723
Total visitors
2,837

Forum statistics

Threads
632,087
Messages
18,621,829
Members
243,017
Latest member
thaines
Back
Top